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Nintendo announces 100 DS developers, 40-plus games

Massive game-maker touts its portable's growing catalog, massive
third-party support.
Today in the Japanese press, Nintendo announced it has shipped DS
software development kits to more than 100 companies worldwide. That
figure puts the DS a nose ahead of the PSP for third-party support:
Sony claims 99 developers are on board for its new handheld.

So far, the DS game catalog is a varied bunch. First-party games are a
perennial strength for Nintendo, and it's not surprising that they are
the cornerstone of its new platform's catalog. So far, Nintendo has
announced the following DS games:

Nintendo
Animal Crossing DS
Mario Kart DS
Metroid Prime: Hunters*
Nintendogs
PictoChat (software that lets players send instant messages and
drawings using the DS's wireless capabilities.)*
Super Mario 64x4
Super Mario Bros. DS
WarioWare Inc. DS

Nintendo has a solid lineup of third party titles as well; here's a
complete list, drawn from Japanese and American sources:

Activision
Spider-Man 2

Atari
(One title in development)

Bandai
Dragonball Z
One Piece
Mobile Suit Gundam Seed*

Banpresto
Dragonball Z

Capcom
Gyakutensaiban (a.k.a. Reversal of Judgment)
MegaMan Battle Network
Viewtiful Joe

Electronic Arts
Need for Speed

From Software
(multiple titles in development)

Hudson
Bomberman*
(multiple titles in development)

Koei
Dynasty Warriors

Konami
Frogger 2005
Yu-Gi-Oh!: Nightmare Troubador (tentative title)

Majesco
(One title in development)

Namco
Mr. Driller
Pac-Pix*
Pac 'n-Roll*
Unnamed RPG

Sega
Project Rub
Sonic DS (tentative title)*

Square Enix
Dragon Quest Monsters
Egg Monster Heroes*
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles

THQ
SpongeBob SquarePants DS

Tecmo
Monster Rancher
Team Ninja game (name has not been released)

Ubisoft
Rayman

VU Games
(One title in development)



By Tor Thorsen, Dan Tochen -- GameSpot
POSTED: 05/13/04 02:52PM PST
 
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It's just one big difference. 99-100.

"R420" <radeonr420@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/13/news_6098199.html
>
> Nintendo announces 100 DS developers, 40-plus games
>
> Massive game-maker touts its portable's growing catalog, massive
> third-party support.
> Today in the Japanese press, Nintendo announced it has shipped DS
> software development kits to more than 100 companies worldwide. That
> figure puts the DS a nose ahead of the PSP for third-party support:
> Sony claims 99 developers are on board for its new handheld.
>
> So far, the DS game catalog is a varied bunch. First-party games are a
> perennial strength for Nintendo, and it's not surprising that they are
> the cornerstone of its new platform's catalog. So far, Nintendo has
> announced the following DS games:
>
> Nintendo
> Animal Crossing DS
> Mario Kart DS
> Metroid Prime: Hunters*
> Nintendogs
> PictoChat (software that lets players send instant messages and
> drawings using the DS's wireless capabilities.)*
> Super Mario 64x4
> Super Mario Bros. DS
> WarioWare Inc. DS
>
> Nintendo has a solid lineup of third party titles as well; here's a
> complete list, drawn from Japanese and American sources:
>
> Activision
> Spider-Man 2
>
> Atari
> (One title in development)
>
> Bandai
> Dragonball Z
> One Piece
> Mobile Suit Gundam Seed*
>
> Banpresto
> Dragonball Z
>
> Capcom
> Gyakutensaiban (a.k.a. Reversal of Judgment)
> MegaMan Battle Network
> Viewtiful Joe
>
> Electronic Arts
> Need for Speed
>
> From Software
> (multiple titles in development)
>
> Hudson
> Bomberman*
> (multiple titles in development)
>
> Koei
> Dynasty Warriors
>
> Konami
> Frogger 2005
> Yu-Gi-Oh!: Nightmare Troubador (tentative title)
>
> Majesco
> (One title in development)
>
> Namco
> Mr. Driller
> Pac-Pix*
> Pac 'n-Roll*
> Unnamed RPG
>
> Sega
> Project Rub
> Sonic DS (tentative title)*
>
> Square Enix
> Dragon Quest Monsters
> Egg Monster Heroes*
> Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
>
> THQ
> SpongeBob SquarePants DS
>
> Tecmo
> Monster Rancher
> Team Ninja game (name has not been released)
>
> Ubisoft
> Rayman
>
> VU Games
> (One title in development)
>
>
>
> By Tor Thorsen, Dan Tochen -- GameSpot
> POSTED: 05/13/04 02:52PM PST
 
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R420 wrote:

> Nintendo
> Animal Crossing DS
> Mario Kart DS
> Metroid Prime: Hunters*
> Nintendogs
> PictoChat (software that lets players send instant messages and
> drawings using the DS's wireless capabilities.)*
> Super Mario 64x4
> Super Mario Bros. DS
> WarioWare Inc. DS
>
Unfortunately, once again Nintendo has gone for porting old titles over rather
than creating any new ones (with the exception of Wario Ware and PictoChat).
What we need are NEW games - how many people are getting pissed off with lazy
half-arsed SNES ports for their GBAs at the moment? I would hope that PictoChat
would be something that ends up being built in to the system so there's the
opportunity to have instant messaging on the move without swapping carts.

> Nintendo has a solid lineup of third party titles as well; here's a
> complete list, drawn from Japanese and American sources:
>
> Activision
> Spider-Man 2
>
I've never trusted film licences - they usually make for piss-poor uninnovative
games.

> Atari
> (One title in development)
>
> Bandai
> Dragonball Z
> One Piece
> Mobile Suit Gundam Seed*
>
> Banpresto
> Dragonball Z
>
So what's going to be the difference between Bandai's Dragonball Z and
Banpresto's version?

> Capcom
> Gyakutensaiban (a.k.a. Reversal of Judgment)
> MegaMan Battle Network
> Viewtiful Joe
>
Sounds alright.

> Electronic Arts
> Need for Speed
>
Another port? Then again, these will be first-gen games so there's time yet...

> From Software
> (multiple titles in development)
>
> Hudson
> Bomberman*
> (multiple titles in development)
>
> Koei
> Dynasty Warriors
>
> Konami
> Frogger 2005
> Yu-Gi-Oh!: Nightmare Troubador (tentative title)
>
> Majesco
> (One title in development)
>
> Namco
> Mr. Driller
> Pac-Pix*
> Pac 'n-Roll*
> Unnamed RPG
>
> Sega
> Project Rub
> Sonic DS (tentative title)*
>
From watching the video, I hope there's more to this one than ruining the DS's
touchscreen.

> Square Enix
> Dragon Quest Monsters
> Egg Monster Heroes*
> Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
>
> THQ
> SpongeBob SquarePants DS
>
> Tecmo
> Monster Rancher
> Team Ninja game (name has not been released)
>
> Ubisoft
> Rayman
>
> VU Games
> (One title in development)
>
Not a bad line-up really, except for Nintendo's ports. The only issue I have
though is Nintendo were said to be aiming for the 18-35 market (those with a
disposable income), yet there aren't many games here that appear to fit that
demographic. True, a sizeable proportion of that market already have GBA/SPs and
do play games aimed at kids, particularly because the games are easy to get into
and are great for killing some time during a lunch break, but it would be nice
to see dedicated 'adult' games as well (by 'adult' I mean games that require a
lot of thought rather than randomly hammering the screen, though the new Metroid
game looks great!).

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"Paul Evans" <uknorthernerSPAMMEANDDIEYOULOWLIFESCUM2000@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:2gjvviF3nnnhU1@uni-berlin.de...
> R420 wrote:
>
> > Nintendo
> > Animal Crossing DS
> > Mario Kart DS
> > Metroid Prime: Hunters*
> > Nintendogs
> > PictoChat (software that lets players send instant messages and
> > drawings using the DS's wireless capabilities.)*
> > Super Mario 64x4
> > Super Mario Bros. DS
> > WarioWare Inc. DS
> >
> Unfortunately, once again Nintendo has gone for porting old titles over
rather
> than creating any new ones (with the exception of Wario Ware and
PictoChat).

Are you expecting more from the PSP? LOL.

> What we need are NEW games - how many people are getting pissed off with
lazy
> half-arsed SNES ports for their GBAs at the moment?

SNES make up the tiny minority on GBA. In addition of the game listed above,
Mario Kart is not a port, but a new game. Metroid is not a pot, but a new
game in the series. Nintendogs is not a port. Super Mario BROS DS is not a
port.

> I would hope that PictoChat
> would be something that ends up being built in to the system so there's
the
> opportunity to have instant messaging on the move without swapping carts.

It has been stated that that is under consideration.


> > Nintendo has a solid lineup of third party titles as well; here's a
> > complete list, drawn from Japanese and American sources:
> >
> > Activision
> > Spider-Man 2
> >
> I've never trusted film licences - they usually make for piss-poor
uninnovative
> games.

True.

>
> > Atari
> > (One title in development)
> >
> > Bandai
> > Dragonball Z
> > One Piece
> > Mobile Suit Gundam Seed*
> >
> > Banpresto
> > Dragonball Z
> >
> So what's going to be the difference between Bandai's Dragonball Z and
> Banpresto's version?

Perhpas you would like to speculate?

>
> > Capcom
> > Gyakutensaiban (a.k.a. Reversal of Judgment)
> > MegaMan Battle Network
> > Viewtiful Joe
> >
> Sounds alright.

No ports there.

>
> > Electronic Arts
> > Need for Speed
> >
> Another port? Then again, these will be first-gen games so there's time
yet...

Need for speed has been confirms as an original game in the series.
> > Sega
> > Project Rub
> > Sonic DS (tentative title)*
> >
> From watching the video, I hope there's more to this one than ruining the
DS's
> touchscreen.

That was just a tech demo.

> > VU Games
> > (One title in development)
> >
> Not a bad line-up really, except for Nintendo's ports.

Of which there is really only 2 out of a list of 8 games. And both of those
ports (animal corssing and Mario 64) are going to have significant mods, no
doubt.

The only issue I have
> though is Nintendo were said to be aiming for the 18-35 market (those with
a
> disposable income), yet there aren't many games here that appear to fit
that
> demographic.

It's struggle for Nintendo to conice developers to make mature themed games,
that's true. But I am optomistic. If Nintendo can market this as the grown
up system alongside the GB, which is the cheaper, kids system. Heck,
nintendo it already doing a great job marketting the SP to adults. I see
adults with them all the time now.
 
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"Paul Evans" <uknorthernerSPAMMEANDDIEYOULOWLIFESCUM2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2gjvviF3nnnhU1@uni-berlin.de>...
> Unfortunately, once again Nintendo has gone for porting old titles over rather
> than creating any new ones (with the exception of Wario Ware and PictoChat).
> What we need are NEW games - how many people are getting pissed off with lazy
> half-arsed SNES ports for their GBAs at the moment? I would hope that PictoChat
> would be something that ends up being built in to the system so there's the
> opportunity to have instant messaging on the move without swapping carts.

I knew when I saw these articles I knew SOMEBODY was going to point
out the contrast between 100 and 99

> > Bandai
> > Dragonball Z
> > One Piece
> > Mobile Suit Gundam Seed*
> >
> > Banpresto
> > Dragonball Z
> >
> So what's going to be the difference between Bandai's Dragonball Z and
> Banpresto's version?

considering Bandai owns Banpresto.. who knows. But they again, there's
about as many DBZ games as Yugioh games so anything is possible
 
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Paul Evans wrote:
>
>> Nintendo
>> Animal Crossing DS
>> Mario Kart DS
>> Metroid Prime: Hunters*
>> Nintendogs
>> PictoChat (software that lets players send instant messages and
>> drawings using the DS's wireless capabilities.)*
>> Super Mario 64x4
>> Super Mario Bros. DS
>> WarioWare Inc. DS
>>
> Unfortunately, once again Nintendo has gone for porting old titles
> over rather than creating any new ones (with the exception of Wario
> Ware and PictoChat).

And Super Mario Bros. DS (brand new 2D Mario game) and Nintendogs and Mario
Kart DS (brand new tracks and racing dynamics) and Super Mario 64x4.

These are not ports of old titles in any way.

Followups set.

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bono tan el:

>> Nintendo
>> Animal Crossing DS
>> Mario Kart DS
>> Metroid Prime: Hunters*
>> Nintendogs
>> PictoChat (software that lets players send instant messages and
>> drawings using the DS's wireless capabilities.)*
>> Super Mario 64x4
>> Super Mario Bros. DS
>> WarioWare Inc. DS
>>
>Unfortunately, once again Nintendo has gone for porting old titles over rather
>than creating any new ones (with the exception of Wario Ware and PictoChat).

Super Mario 64x4, Hunters, and Super Mario Bros DS are all new.



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> Are you expecting more from the PSP? LOL.

Um, the only game Sony (not third party) announced for a port was Gran
Tourismo 4. That game isn't even out on PS2 yet. And once Grand Theft Auto
gets announced for the PSP, its all over for the DS. And a 3D Final Fantasy
is just going to kill the DS. Damn to much torture for Nintendo next gen. I
really feel bad for them, seeing how my first console was a Nintendo.
 
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> > Are you expecting more from the PSP? LOL.
>
> Um, the only game Sony (not third party) announced for a port was Gran
> Tourismo 4. That game isn't even out on PS2 yet. And once Grand Theft Auto
> gets announced for the PSP, its all over for the DS. And a 3D Final
Fantasy
> is just going to kill the DS. Damn to much torture for Nintendo next gen.
I
> really feel bad for them, seeing how my first console was a Nintendo.

-Who's to say there won't be a grand theft auto for the DS? Nintendo did
right by making the DS so unique. Developers will make games for it purely
because it will allow them to do something new.

-DS already has a Final Fantasy game announced
 
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 El Guapo <plethora@pinatas.com> wrote:

> Come to think of it, there are probably some very naughty ways this
> capability could be used by developers. Seen the Mario/Wario demo where you
> can manipulate their faces with the touch screen? Now apply that to Tecmo's
> DOA series, and you get the idea.

Without any sort of tactile feedback, what would be the point? (wait,
wrong audience...)
 
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> Um, the only game Sony (not third party) announced for a port was Gran
> Tourismo 4. That game isn't even out on PS2 yet. And once Grand Theft Auto
> gets announced for the PSP..<snip>


Yawn...next...

Sony is falling wayyyyy behind....
 
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"R420" <radeonr420@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/13/news_6098199.html
>
> Nintendo announces 100 DS developers, 40-plus games
>
> Massive game-maker touts its portable's growing catalog, massive
> third-party support.
> Today in the Japanese press, Nintendo announced it has shipped DS
> software development kits to more than 100 companies worldwide. That
> figure puts the DS a nose ahead of the PSP for third-party support:
> Sony claims 99 developers are on board for its new handheld.
>
> So far, the DS game catalog is a varied bunch. First-party games are a
> perennial strength for Nintendo, and it's not surprising that they are
> the cornerstone of its new platform's catalog. So far, Nintendo has
> announced the following DS games:
[SNIP]

Wow! The DS has one additional announced developer on board...even though
not a single game has been released by any of the 99-100 developers for
either DS or PSP. Does that extra developer help make up for the discrepancy
in the number of motion picture studios releasing movies for the DS (zero)
and the number of music companies releasing albums for the DS (zero)?

The DS is a nifty gadget (just as the Virtual Boy was), but you've got to be
pretty disappointed if you feel compelled to post the news that the DS has
*one* more announced developer than the PSP. I'll take a $299
(estimated--could be less) handheld with a 16:9 HD display that plays
movies, music, and PS2-quality videogames over a $199 (announced) handheld
that only plays old GameBoy games and N64-quality videogames.
 
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>
> I'll take a $299
> (estimated--could be less) handheld with a 16:9 HD display that plays
> movies, music, and PS2-quality videogames over a $199 (announced) handheld
> that only plays old GameBoy games and N64-quality videogames.

Now when you say PS2-quality video games do you mean poor quality...and
likewise when you say N64-quality do you mean incredible? Because unless you
put the term "graphics" in there, it sounds like game quality and N64 game
quality exceeds PS2 game quality by a good bit IMO. Plus, the PSP has no
real gaming innovation. So you can't expect much change/growth of quality.

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"Bondo" <happyhappy@joyjoy.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> >
> > I'll take a $299
> > (estimated--could be less) handheld with a 16:9 HD display that plays
> > movies, music, and PS2-quality videogames over a $199 (announced)
handheld
> > that only plays old GameBoy games and N64-quality videogames.
>
> Now when you say PS2-quality video games do you mean poor quality...and
> likewise when you say N64-quality do you mean incredible? Because unless
you
> put the term "graphics" in there, it sounds like game quality and N64 game
> quality exceeds PS2 game quality by a good bit IMO. Plus, the PSP has no
> real gaming innovation. So you can't expect much change/growth of quality.

Yes, I meant "graphics" quality, but even if I meant game quality, I do not
agree with you that the quality of N64 games exceeds that of PS2 games. Go
back and play them! Even some of the classics seem dated today--slow frame
rates, foggy N64 graphics, repetitive MIDI-type music, bland textures, etc.
Burnout 2 and Burnout 3 are more exciting now than San Francisco RUSH, for
example. Perfect Dark, while great for its time, doesn't match up well
against a lot of the current PS2 first-person shooters.

No real gaming innovation? Playing 3D games on a handheld seems innovative
enough compared to the current market. But if you are referring only to the
gameplay, not to the hardware, then I suppose that could be true. On the
other hand, once could argue that there has been no innovation since the
original PlayStation. But those games were mostly 3D versions of earlier
games, so there has been no innovation since the 16-bit era. But those games
were simply improved from the 8-bit era, and so on (going back until you
reach Pong).

As I said before, if you can pay an extra $100 for a handheld that lets you
watch movies and listen to music as well as play games that look a heck of a
lot better, why wouldn't you? I'm sure I'll buy both the DS and the PSP, but
after seeing them at E3, I'm definitely more impressed with the latter.
 
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> "R420" <radeonr420@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:51488ce2.0405131932.1b1f085a@posting.google.com...
> > http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/13/news_6098199.html
> >
> > Nintendo announces 100 DS developers, 40-plus games
> >
> > Massive game-maker touts its portable's growing catalog, massive
> > third-party support.
> > Today in the Japanese press, Nintendo announced it has shipped DS
> > software development kits to more than 100 companies worldwide. That
> > figure puts the DS a nose ahead of the PSP for third-party support:
> > Sony claims 99 developers are on board for its new handheld.
> >
> > So far, the DS game catalog is a varied bunch. First-party games are a
> > perennial strength for Nintendo, and it's not surprising that they are
> > the cornerstone of its new platform's catalog. So far, Nintendo has
> > announced the following DS games:
> [SNIP]
>
> Wow! The DS has one additional announced developer on board...even though
> not a single game has been released by any of the 99-100 developers for
> either DS or PSP. Does that extra developer help make up for the
discrepancy
> in the number of motion picture studios releasing movies for the DS (zero)
> and the number of music companies releasing albums for the DS (zero)?
>
> The DS is a nifty gadget (just as the Virtual Boy was), but you've got to
be
> pretty disappointed if you feel compelled to post the news that the DS has
> *one* more announced developer than the PSP. I'll take a $299
> (estimated--could be less) handheld with a 16:9 HD display that plays
> movies, music, and PS2-quality videogames over a $199 (announced) handheld
> that only plays old GameBoy games and N64-quality videogames.

You must be really naive if you think movie studio executives (other than
Sony) will see the PSP and it's UMD format as a viable method of
distribution. The hand-held market is tiny compared to the movie and DVD mar
ket. If you want to talk about the DS's features being gimmicks then i'd
have to say that the movie playback on the PSP is the most expensive gimmick
of them all.

Let's see... risk everything by re-marketing, re-distributing and
re-packaging movies for the PSP or... stick with the already hugely
successful, lucrative and established DVD market. Don't bother telling me
how Sony has been showing off 'yet another media format' to everyone, and
how this time the UMD 'will become THE media format', because it won't. We
don't need another media format, we need just one; almost like the DVD
really...
 
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> > "R420" <radeonr420@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:51488ce2.0405131932.1b1f085a@posting.google.com...
> > > http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/13/news_6098199.html
> > >
> > > Nintendo announces 100 DS developers, 40-plus games
> > >
> > > Massive game-maker touts its portable's growing catalog, massive
> > > third-party support.
> > > Today in the Japanese press, Nintendo announced it has shipped DS
> > > software development kits to more than 100 companies worldwide. That
> > > figure puts the DS a nose ahead of the PSP for third-party support:
> > > Sony claims 99 developers are on board for its new handheld.
> > >
> > > So far, the DS game catalog is a varied bunch. First-party games are a
> > > perennial strength for Nintendo, and it's not surprising that they are
> > > the cornerstone of its new platform's catalog. So far, Nintendo has
> > > announced the following DS games:
> > [SNIP]
> >
> > Wow! The DS has one additional announced developer on board...even
though
> > not a single game has been released by any of the 99-100 developers for
> > either DS or PSP. Does that extra developer help make up for the
> discrepancy
> > in the number of motion picture studios releasing movies for the DS
(zero)
> > and the number of music companies releasing albums for the DS (zero)?
> >
> > The DS is a nifty gadget (just as the Virtual Boy was), but you've got
to
> be
> > pretty disappointed if you feel compelled to post the news that the DS
has
> > *one* more announced developer than the PSP. I'll take a $299
> > (estimated--could be less) handheld with a 16:9 HD display that plays
> > movies, music, and PS2-quality videogames over a $199 (announced)
handheld
> > that only plays old GameBoy games and N64-quality videogames.
>
> You must be really naive if you think movie studio executives (other than
> Sony) will see the PSP and it's UMD format as a viable method of
> distribution. The hand-held market is tiny compared to the movie and DVD
mar
> ket. If you want to talk about the DS's features being gimmicks then i'd
> have to say that the movie playback on the PSP is the most expensive
gimmick
> of them all.
>
> Let's see... risk everything by re-marketing, re-distributing and
> re-packaging movies for the PSP or... stick with the already hugely
> successful, lucrative and established DVD market. Don't bother telling me
> how Sony has been showing off 'yet another media format' to everyone, and
> how this time the UMD 'will become THE media format', because it won't. We
> don't need another media format, we need just one; almost like the DVD
> really...
>
>

The UMD format isn't meant to replace anything, its meant to allow the user
to watch DVD-quality movies on the PSP. It won't make all the movie studios,
as you say, 're-market, re-distribute and re-package' because in order to do
those thing you would have had to do them at least once already. It'll, most
likely, be no different than making a VHS and DVD version of something just
like they have been doing for the last 5-7 years.

RickB
 
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"RickB" <rberry883@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Richard Strong" <richard.strong@'remove'ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "R420" <radeonr420@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:51488ce2.0405131932.1b1f085a@posting.google.com...
> > > > http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/13/news_6098199.html
> > > >
> > > > Nintendo announces 100 DS developers, 40-plus games
> > > >
> > > > Massive game-maker touts its portable's growing catalog, massive
> > > > third-party support.
> > > > Today in the Japanese press, Nintendo announced it has shipped DS
> > > > software development kits to more than 100 companies worldwide. That
> > > > figure puts the DS a nose ahead of the PSP for third-party support:
> > > > Sony claims 99 developers are on board for its new handheld.
> > > >
> > > > So far, the DS game catalog is a varied bunch. First-party games are
a
> > > > perennial strength for Nintendo, and it's not surprising that they
are
> > > > the cornerstone of its new platform's catalog. So far, Nintendo has
> > > > announced the following DS games:
> > > [SNIP]
> > >
> > > Wow! The DS has one additional announced developer on board...even
> though
> > > not a single game has been released by any of the 99-100 developers
for
> > > either DS or PSP. Does that extra developer help make up for the
> > discrepancy
> > > in the number of motion picture studios releasing movies for the DS
> (zero)
> > > and the number of music companies releasing albums for the DS (zero)?
> > >
> > > The DS is a nifty gadget (just as the Virtual Boy was), but you've got
> to
> > be
> > > pretty disappointed if you feel compelled to post the news that the DS
> has
> > > *one* more announced developer than the PSP. I'll take a $299
> > > (estimated--could be less) handheld with a 16:9 HD display that plays
> > > movies, music, and PS2-quality videogames over a $199 (announced)
> handheld
> > > that only plays old GameBoy games and N64-quality videogames.
> >
> > You must be really naive if you think movie studio executives (other
than
> > Sony) will see the PSP and it's UMD format as a viable method of
> > distribution. The hand-held market is tiny compared to the movie and DVD
> mar
> > ket. If you want to talk about the DS's features being gimmicks then i'd
> > have to say that the movie playback on the PSP is the most expensive
> gimmick
> > of them all.
> >
> > Let's see... risk everything by re-marketing, re-distributing and
> > re-packaging movies for the PSP or... stick with the already hugely
> > successful, lucrative and established DVD market. Don't bother telling
me
> > how Sony has been showing off 'yet another media format' to everyone,
and
> > how this time the UMD 'will become THE media format', because it won't.
We
> > don't need another media format, we need just one; almost like the DVD
> > really...
> >
> >
>
> The UMD format isn't meant to replace anything, its meant to allow the
user
> to watch DVD-quality movies on the PSP. It won't make all the movie
studios,
> as you say, 're-market, re-distribute and re-package' because in order to
do
> those thing you would have had to do them at least once already. It'll,
most
> likely, be no different than making a VHS and DVD version of something
just
> like they have been doing for the last 5-7 years.

Yes, except with tiny speakers and headphones and without a huge screen.
 
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 14:55:45 +0100, "Richard Strong"
<richard.strong@'remove'ntlworld.com> wrote:

>> The UMD format isn't meant to replace anything, its meant to allow the
>user
>> to watch DVD-quality movies on the PSP. It won't make all the movie
>studios,
>> as you say, 're-market, re-distribute and re-package' because in order to
>do
>> those thing you would have had to do them at least once already. It'll,
>most
>> likely, be no different than making a VHS and DVD version of something
>just
>> like they have been doing for the last 5-7 years.
>
>Yes, except with tiny speakers and headphones and without a huge screen.

And an insignificantly small audience base, compared to the number of
VHS and DVD players, and most of the people who buy the PSP probably
won't be interested in buying movies for it anyway. Add in the fact
that the PSP's storage system is almost certainly going to be a good
deal more expensive to produce than a plain old DVD, meaning that any
movied produced is going to have to sell for a premium, PLUS the fact
that the other movie studios are't exactly going to be thrilled to be
paying liscensing fees to their competitor...
 
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Oh please stop bashing Sony's portable.

What's the big deal about people advertising Video Playback on the PSP?
If my memory serves me correctly, Nintendo and Majesco has been
proudly touting the fact that they are capable of releasing episodes of
our ... well ... not ours... but our cousin's, 2nd brother-in-law's
twice removed grandchild's saturday morning cartoons on GBA cartiridges!

What the PSP boys are doing with this movie playback thing is nothing
more then shouting to others what it's capable of doing. It is NOT
meant to replace your portable DVD player. It is NOT meant to replace
your portable MP3 player. BUT - it COULD play back high quality movies.
It COULD play back back great music.

That is what I am interested in. What the unit is capable of doing. I
remember how I felt when my friend showed me an FMV on his Playstation
while I had nothing CLOSE to that on my N64. So forgive Sony for
touting this little feature on their portable. They have every God
given right to. And wish them luck in the portable war - because with
the DS and GBA in the market - they'll have to trade in sweat and BLOOD
to get a good foothold in the market.

Aloha!

drocket wrote:

> On Sun, 16 May 2004 14:55:45 +0100, "Richard Strong"
> <richard.strong@'remove'ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>The UMD format isn't meant to replace anything, its meant to allow the
>>
>>user
>>
>>>to watch DVD-quality movies on the PSP. It won't make all the movie
>>
>>studios,
>>
>>>as you say, 're-market, re-distribute and re-package' because in order to
>>
>>do
>>
>>>those thing you would have had to do them at least once already. It'll,
>>
>>most
>>
>>>likely, be no different than making a VHS and DVD version of something
>>
>>just
>>
>>>like they have been doing for the last 5-7 years.
>>
>>Yes, except with tiny speakers and headphones and without a huge screen.
>
>
> And an insignificantly small audience base, compared to the number of
> VHS and DVD players, and most of the people who buy the PSP probably
> won't be interested in buying movies for it anyway. Add in the fact
> that the PSP's storage system is almost certainly going to be a good
> deal more expensive to produce than a plain old DVD, meaning that any
> movied produced is going to have to sell for a premium, PLUS the fact
> that the other movie studios are't exactly going to be thrilled to be
> paying liscensing fees to their competitor...
>
 
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 01:53:45 GMT, Kalikopela
<juradoc001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

>Oh please stop bashing Sony's portable.
>
>What's the big deal about people advertising Video Playback on the PSP?
> If my memory serves me correctly, Nintendo and Majesco has been
>proudly touting the fact that they are capable of releasing episodes of
>our ... well ... not ours... but our cousin's, 2nd brother-in-law's
>twice removed grandchild's saturday morning cartoons on GBA cartiridges!
>
>What the PSP boys are doing with this movie playback thing is nothing
>more then shouting to others what it's capable of doing. It is NOT
>meant to replace your portable DVD player. It is NOT meant to replace
>your portable MP3 player. BUT - it COULD play back high quality movies.
> It COULD play back back great music.
>
>That is what I am interested in. What the unit is capable of doing. I
>remember how I felt when my friend showed me an FMV on his Playstation
>while I had nothing CLOSE to that on my N64. So forgive Sony for
>touting this little feature on their portable. They have every God
>given right to. And wish them luck in the portable war - because with
>the DS and GBA in the market - they'll have to trade in sweat and BLOOD
>to get a good foothold in the market.

1) Sony seems to be doing a good deal more than merely saying that
the system is capable of playing video. The press release for the PS
says:

"a robust copyright protection system has been developed which
utilizes a combination of a unique disc ID, a 128 bit AES encryption
keys for the media, and individual ID for each PSP hardware unit."

In other words, they've clearly spent time and effort developing PSP
as a video player, and appear to have plans to promote it as such

2) Considering, as you pointed out, that the GBA is already capable
of video playback, this is a less-than-stellar advancement in
technology, and therefore not something you'd want to spent time and
effort hyping. Unless, of course, you intend to promote the system as
a video entertainment center (as opposed to it simply being capable of
video.)
 
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You missed the point of my post drocket.

If Sony wants to advertise it - let them. They have every god-given
right to. If they want to manufacture underwear with advertisements
about the PSP's capabilities in displaying high quality porn on your
PSP... they have every god given right to.

Now what are you trying to tell me? Something I already know? That PSP
is making a big deal about it? That they have been telling the world
that IF BY CHANCE the film industry wanted to produce films for the PSP,
that they can because of their "robust copyright protection system"?

Yeah - I know that. And as I said before - I wish them luck in their
endevours. Now... what's your problem again?

drocket wrote:

> On Mon, 17 May 2004 01:53:45 GMT, Kalikopela
> <juradoc001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Oh please stop bashing Sony's portable.
>>
>>What's the big deal about people advertising Video Playback on the PSP?
>> If my memory serves me correctly, Nintendo and Majesco has been
>>proudly touting the fact that they are capable of releasing episodes of
>>our ... well ... not ours... but our cousin's, 2nd brother-in-law's
>>twice removed grandchild's saturday morning cartoons on GBA cartiridges!
>>
>>What the PSP boys are doing with this movie playback thing is nothing
>>more then shouting to others what it's capable of doing. It is NOT
>>meant to replace your portable DVD player. It is NOT meant to replace
>>your portable MP3 player. BUT - it COULD play back high quality movies.
>> It COULD play back back great music.
>>
>>That is what I am interested in. What the unit is capable of doing. I
>>remember how I felt when my friend showed me an FMV on his Playstation
>>while I had nothing CLOSE to that on my N64. So forgive Sony for
>>touting this little feature on their portable. They have every God
>>given right to. And wish them luck in the portable war - because with
>>the DS and GBA in the market - they'll have to trade in sweat and BLOOD
>>to get a good foothold in the market.
>
>
> 1) Sony seems to be doing a good deal more than merely saying that
> the system is capable of playing video. The press release for the PS
> says:
>
> "a robust copyright protection system has been developed which
> utilizes a combination of a unique disc ID, a 128 bit AES encryption
> keys for the media, and individual ID for each PSP hardware unit."
>
> In other words, they've clearly spent time and effort developing PSP
> as a video player, and appear to have plans to promote it as such
>
> 2) Considering, as you pointed out, that the GBA is already capable
> of video playback, this is a less-than-stellar advancement in
> technology, and therefore not something you'd want to spent time and
> effort hyping. Unless, of course, you intend to promote the system as
> a video entertainment center (as opposed to it simply being capable of
> video.)
>
>
>
 
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In article <JWUpc.54454$BG1.23788@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Kalikopela <juradoc001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

> What the PSP boys are doing with this movie playback thing is nothing
> more then shouting to others what it's capable of doing. It is NOT
> meant to replace your portable DVD player.

That's EXACTLY what it is meant to do (in addition to gaming.) This is
meant to be Sony's video WalkMan. Sony owns tons of movies, tons of
music videos. Very soon, you will find many major motion pictures,
especially recent on-video releases, available in PSP format. This
function will be played up as much as the gaming, once the product and
the movies are out.

It's proprietary, but it's a whole new format to sell movies on, and
studios love that. And it's purportedly secure from copying. We'll see
movies from many studios on it.
 
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"Mike O'Connor" <mike@leptonicsystems.com> wrote in message
news:mike-1C3D65.09265917052004@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> In article <JWUpc.54454$BG1.23788@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> Kalikopela <juradoc001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > What the PSP boys are doing with this movie playback thing is nothing
> > more then shouting to others what it's capable of doing. It is NOT
> > meant to replace your portable DVD player.
>
> That's EXACTLY what it is meant to do (in addition to gaming.) This is
> meant to be Sony's video WalkMan. Sony owns tons of movies, tons of
> music videos. Very soon, you will find many major motion pictures,
> especially recent on-video releases, available in PSP format. This
> function will be played up as much as the gaming, once the product and
> the movies are out.
>
> It's proprietary, but it's a whole new format to sell movies on, and
> studios love that. And it's purportedly secure from copying. We'll see
> movies from many studios on it.

The movies better be really, really inexpensive. I doubt people will want
to pay full price for a movie they can only watch on a very small screen.

drax
 
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> It's proprietary, but it's a whole new format to sell movies on, and
> studios love that. And it's purportedly secure from copying. We'll see
> movies from many studios on it.


You're not that STUPID, are you? Really, you;re not? Pleae tell me you're
not?

It took a good five years before all of the Studios were on board with DVD,
for God's sake. And that was a mass market replacement for VHS, not to
mention the most successful consumer electornics product in history. Now
HD-DVD is on the horizon, and do you think the studio are chomping at the
bit to start releasing films in that format? NOT A CHANCE. Firstly they want
to milk everything they can out of DVD, before they start releasing their
back catalog all over again on HD-DVD. Second, they are not interested in
throwing a huge amount of support behind something that will remain a niche
format for several years until more people have HDTV's and players, and may
well remains a niche format for a while longer than that, since 90% of
people are more than happy with the wuality of standard DVD.

And you are trying to tell me that studio are going to jump at the chnace to
release movie on an inferiro format to DVD that can only be viewed on a
proprierty Sony portable video game system? Who in their right mind is going
to buy movies for the PSP? Would they not be better to buy a portable DVD
player that will let them play the same movie on the go as they do at home,
and with better quality?

Get real. Screw your head back on. We might see a few movies released for
the PSP, and they will all be Sony Pictures/Columbia Tristar releases. And
when they all flop Sony will quietly *forget* about the movie playing idea,
in North America at least.
 
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radeonr420@yahoo.com (R420) wrote in message news:<51488ce2.0405131932.1b1f085a@posting.google.com>...
> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/13/news_6098199.html
>
> Nintendo announces 100 DS developers, 40-plus games

Hmmm... that's about 1/3rd as many as 3DO had... This should tell you
how relevant the # of developers is.

- Jordan
 
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