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twisted0n3@gmail.invalid wrote:
>Chipacabra wrote:
>> Otaku. It's an English word, included in Webster's, so I shouldn't have to
>> explain it to you.
>
>It's not a common word, seeing as how nobody I know uses it. What does
>it mean?

In Japanese: "creepy geeky fanboy".
In British anime-fan English: "creepy geeky fanboy".
In American anime-fan English: "fanboy".
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Dnia Wed, 04 May 2005 03:08:31 +0200,
Kornel Kisielewicz napisal(a):

> The Sheep wrote:
>> Dnia Mon, 02 May 2005 20:29:14 -0400,
>> Twisted One napisal(a):
>>>What? It was clearly an English sentence, since it started with the
>>>words "He is", which are English. Besides, English is the de facto
>>>lingua franca of this newsgroup.
>> DON'T CONTRADICT ME!
>> Hell.
>> DON'T CONTRADICT YOURSELF!
> Sheep, come on! You're loosing your temper! Did you have a bad day? I
> don't recognize you 🙂

I was just checking how he will react to his own rules used to himself.
Just as I thought -- he didn't respond, not enough courage even for simple
'sorry'. 🙁

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Dnia Wed, 04 May 2005 18:39:32 -0400,
Twisted One napisal(a):

> The Sheep wrote:
>> Dnia Wed, 04 May 2005 03:08:31 +0200,
>> Kornel Kisielewicz napisal(a):

>>> The Sheep wrote:

>>>> Dnia Mon, 02 May 2005 20:29:14 -0400,

>>>> Twisted One napisal(a):

>>>>>What? It was clearly an English sentence, since it started with the
>>>>>words "He is", which are English. Besides, English is the de facto
>>>>>lingua franca of this newsgroup.

>>>> DON'T CONTRADICT ME!
>>>> Hell.
>>>> DON'T CONTRADICT YOURSELF!

>>> Sheep, come on! You're loosing your temper! Did you have a bad day? I
>>> don't recognize you 🙂

>>I was just checking how he will react to his own rules used to himself.
>>Just as I thought -- he didn't respond, not enough courage even for simple
>>'sorry'. 🙁

> [Insulting flames]

What's so insulting here?

> Go forth and rotate.

I'll consider this an apology in your style.

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The Sheep wrote:
>>[Insulting flames]
>
> What's so insulting here?

You called me a name. It's snipped, but I'm sure you remember it. You
can guess how effective it was at damaging my self esteem from the fact
that I *don't* remember it.

>>Go forth and rotate.
>
> I'll consider this an apology in your style.

Actually, it's a polite version of "Screw you".

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Quoting Hansjoerg Malthaner <hansjoerg.malthaner@nurfuerspam.de>:
>David Damerell wrote::
>>Quoting Chipacabra <chipb@efn.org>:
>>>Then you're obviously not an anime fan. Given how ubiquitous the otaku are
>>>on the internet,
>>Auf Englisch, "fanboy", bitte.
>Hey, I never knew that you speak german :)

I pass 50% of the universal language test, in that I know the German for
"beer" but not the future subjunctive tense of any colloquial verb meaning
"to copulate".

.... seriously, I last learned any German about 15 years ago; I can ask the
way to things (and maybe understand the response) and buy food and drink,
and muddle through written German by looking up all the nouns, but that's
about it.
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Quoting Kornel Kisielewicz <kisielewicz@gazeta.pl>:
>A level-system wouldn't be so bad if the differences between power
>between levels wouldn't be soooo huge. I mean compare a level 1
>character to a level 40 character in any game...

Well, it depends on the amount of progression you want, and that's all
there is to it. D&D 3e levels only go up to 20 before they get into epic
levels; and epic level characters are meant, quite explicitly, to be
capable of superhuman feats.

But more importantly, if other player-chosen factors become more
significant than GM-controlled levels, the system becomes easier to
munchkin-game. Conversely, this would ease the "only team with 1/20
of the playerbase" issue in most MMOs.

What you really want is a game without enormous progression. That's fine;
but let's not pretend that suits everyone or every genre. For example,
comics games may want to let people play Batman or Superman...
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David Damerell wrote:
> What you really want is a game without enormous progression. That's fine;
> but let's not pretend that suits everyone or every genre. For example,
> comics games may want to let people play Batman or Superman...

Of course, in those you should *start* with seriously superhuman
capabilities. :)

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Dnia Thu, 05 May 2005 09:51:43 -0400,
Twisted One napisal(a):

> The Sheep wrote:
>>>[Insulting flames]
>> What's so insulting here?
> You called me a name. It's snipped, but I'm sure you remember it. You
> can guess how effective it was at damaging my self esteem from the fact
> that I *don't* remember it.
Yeah, your imagination must be working overtime.
I didn't mean to be offensive nor insulting.

>>>Go forth and rotate.
>> I'll consider this an apology in your style.
> Actually, it's a polite version of "Screw you".
That's exactly what I meant (yes, now I mean it).

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The Sheep wrote:
[insult deleted]

> I didn't mean to be offensive nor insulting.

You're claiming to have called me a name by accident?
(And the "insult deleted" above refers to your suggesting that I'm
imagining things. I'm not blind, you know. Or stupid.)

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"Twisted One" <twisted0n3@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
news:WO2dnUM4VvYhueffRVn-pQ@rogers.com...
> The Sheep wrote:
>>>[Insulting flames]
>>
>> What's so insulting here?
>
> You called me a name. It's snipped, but I'm sure you remember it. You can
> guess how effective it was at damaging my self esteem from the fact that I
> *don't* remember it.
>

Let me quote the snipped part:

"I was just checking how he will react to his own rules used to himself.
Just as I thought -- he didn't respond, not enough courage even for simple
'sorry'. 🙁"

Are you objecting to the courage implication? I would hardly call it
flaming.

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Glen Wheeler wrote:
> "Twisted One" <twisted0n3@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:WO2dnUM4VvYhueffRVn-pQ@rogers.com...
>
>>The Sheep wrote:
>>
>>>>[Insulting flames]
>>>
>>>What's so insulting here?
>>
>>You called me a name. It's snipped, but I'm sure you remember it. You can
>>guess how effective it was at damaging my self esteem from the fact that I
>>*don't* remember it.
>
> Let me quote the snipped part:

[snip]

Let's not. He called me a coward and was generally rude and obnoxious. I
called him on it. End of story.

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Hansjoerg Malthaner wrote:
> Jim Strathmeyer wrote::
>
> > Chipacabra <chipb@efn.org> wrote:
> >
> >>Paul Derbyshire <twisted0n3@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>news:OaidncjjjYppSuXfRVn-2g@rogers.com:
> >
> >
> >>>Chipacabra wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Then you're obviously not an anime fan.
> >>>
> >>>>Given how ubiquitous the otaku are on the internet
> >>>
> >>>How ubiquitous the what are?
> >>
> >>Otaku. It's an English word, included in Webster's, so I shouldn't
> >>have to explain it to you.
> >
> > Paul has already explained in previous threads that he is unable to
look
> > things up because he was molested as a child. There's no use in
beating
> > a dead horse.
>
> You guys are rude. A short explanation was probably as easy to write
but
> instead you write 5 lines of telling how stupid Twisted is.

Twisted One has gone to great lengths to deserve this rudeness. It
would be better, of course, if people didn't reply at all. Or, reply
with a link that he won't follow, but will work for anyone else reading
the message. I do not, however, think anyone should write a short
explanation for Twisted One. He has lost all right to ask for such a
thing.

Twisted One treats this newsgroup like some primitive keyword driven
CRPG, and it is the responders to him that are called rude?

I do not like the theory that Twisted One's behaviour can be excused
because his mental problems make it impossible for him to act
otherwise, but everyone else gets to take full responsibility if they
snap after repeated jabs.

Since Twisted One's return, I've had to delete scores of messages
without posting them.
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Jim Strathmeyer wrote::

> Chipacabra <chipb@efn.org> wrote:
>
>>Paul Derbyshire <twisted0n3@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:OaidncjjjYppSuXfRVn-2g@rogers.com:
>
>
>>>Chipacabra wrote:
>>>
>>>>Then you're obviously not an anime fan.
>>>
>>>>Given how ubiquitous the otaku are on the internet
>>>
>>>How ubiquitous the what are?
>>
>>Otaku. It's an English word, included in Webster's, so I shouldn't
>>have to explain it to you.
>
> Paul has already explained in previous threads that he is unable to look
> things up because he was molested as a child. There's no use in beating
> a dead horse.

You guys are rude. A short explanation was probably as easy to write but
instead you write 5 lines of telling how stupid Twisted is.

I don't know the word either. I would've been happy about a short
explanation.

I mean, you could show that you are nice and helpful, before bashing
someone else?

Btw, none of my dictionaries know about otaku. So it doesn't seem to be
as common as you claim it to be?

--
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Hansjoerg Malthaner wrote:
> You guys are rude. A short explanation was probably as easy to write but
> instead you write 5 lines of telling how stupid Twisted is.
>
> I don't know the word either. I would've been happy about a short
> explanation.
>
> I mean, you could show that you are nice and helpful, before bashing
> someone else?
>
> Btw, none of my dictionaries know about otaku. So it doesn't seem to be
> as common as you claim it to be?

It isn't -- Jim is a liar, as well as a flaming arsehole, no pun unintended.

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Jeff Lait wrote:
> Twisted One has gone to great lengths to deserve this rudeness.

You lie!

[snip remainder of flamage]

What is your problem -- pharmacy wouldn't refill your trank scrip?

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Hansjoerg Malthaner wrote:
>> Paul has already explained in previous threads that he is unable to look
>> things up because he was molested as a child. There's no use in beating
>> a dead horse.
>
>
> You guys are rude. A short explanation was probably as easy to write but
> instead you write 5 lines of telling how stupid Twisted is.
>
> I don't know the word either. I would've been happy about a short
> explanation.
>
> I mean, you could show that you are nice and helpful, before bashing
> someone else?
>
> Btw, none of my dictionaries know about otaku. So it doesn't seem to be
> as common as you claim it to be?

Otaku = Anime/Manga Fan.
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Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
>> Btw, none of my dictionaries know about otaku. So it doesn't seem to
>> be as common as you claim it to be?
>
> Otaku = Anime/Manga Fan.

Thanks.

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Kornel Kisielewicz wrote::

> Otaku = Anime/Manga Fan.

Thanks, although I should rather thank Martin Read as his explanation
arrived here earlier, yet not in response to my question 😉

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In article <1115392315.198867.142140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
Jeff Lait <torespondisfutile@hotmail.com> wrote:
[...]
>Twisted One treats this newsgroup like some primitive keyword driven
>CRPG, and it is the responders to him that are called rude?

I don't think you can call it a _primitive_ CRPG. Getting that level
of language recognition and generation working in software would be a
pretty impressive accomplishment.

I'm not sure how'd you keep score, though. Maybe the number of
followups per post? That's the standard troll criterion in some
groups, but once again, the AI required for something like that looks
pretty difficult to me.


--Chris


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Glen Wheeler wrote:
> "Twisted One" <twisted0n3@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:WO2dnUM4VvYhueffRVn-pQ@rogers.com...
>
>>The Sheep wrote:
>>
>>>>[Insulting flames]
>>>
>>>What's so insulting here?
>>
>>You called me a name. It's snipped, but I'm sure you remember it. You can
>>guess how effective it was at damaging my self esteem from the fact that I
>>*don't* remember it.
>>
>
>
> Let me quote the snipped part:
>
> "I was just checking how he will react to his own rules used to himself.
> Just as I thought -- he didn't respond, not enough courage even for simple
> 'sorry'. 🙁"
>
> Are you objecting to the courage implication? I would hardly call it
> flaming.
>
Or was The Sheep *implying* namecalling to some extent?

Btw, why do you snip the 'flames' Neo?

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sheepy wrote:
> Btw, why do you snip the 'flames' Neo?

Why should I repeat stuff I vehemently disagree with? I think it's bad
enough it got posted once, let alone repeatedly.

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Hansjoerg Malthaner <hansjoerg.malthaner@nurfuerspam.de>
wrote on Fri, 06 May 2005 09:27:52 +0200:
> Jim Strathmeyer wrote::
>> Chipacabra <chipb@efn.org> wrote:
>>>Paul Derbyshire <twisted0n3@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>news:OaidncjjjYppSuXfRVn-2g@rogers.com:
>>>>Chipacabra wrote:
>>>>>Then you're obviously not an anime fan.
>>>>>Given how ubiquitous the otaku are on the internet
>>>>How ubiquitous the what are?
>>>Otaku. It's an English word, included in Webster's, so I shouldn't
>>>have to explain it to you.
>> Paul has already explained in previous threads that he is unable to look
>> things up because he was molested as a child. There's no use in beating
>> a dead horse.
> You guys are rude. A short explanation was probably as easy to write but
> instead you write 5 lines of telling how stupid Twisted is.
> I don't know the word either. I would've been happy about a short
> explanation.
> I mean, you could show that you are nice and helpful, before bashing
> someone else?
> Btw, none of my dictionaries know about otaku. So it doesn't seem to be
> as common as you claim it to be?

You'd have to be using a very recent dictionary, since it only
appeared in American culture at all in the '80s, and didn't become
widespread until the mid-'90s. Presumably the Oxford English Dictionary
has it by now, and I was able to find it online at dictionary.com, but
not anywhere else:

Main Entry: otaku
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: an avid collector or enthusiast, esp. one who is
obsessed anime, video games, or computer and rarely leaves home
Etymology: Japanese `house'
Usage: derogatory slang
Source: Webster's New Millennium. Dictionary of English, Preview Edition
(v 0.9.6)
Copyright © 2003-2005 Lexico Publishing Group, LLC

I have one complaint about this, which is that while it started as
derogatory slang in Japanese, it rapidly became a self-applied term of
pride for anime fans, and that's the sense that it reached America in.
Nobody feels put down by being called an otaku.

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Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
> Hansjoerg Malthaner wrote:

[discussion on whether or not the word "otaku" is common knowledge]

Just as a data point -- I never heard of the word until about a month
ago. Some article, probably tongue-in-cheek humor, in an
English-language about a marriage between a Japanese woman and an otaku.
I learned it from context when reading the article. For all I know, it
might have been pointed to from r.g.r.d.

Erik
 
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On 6 May 2005 08:11:55 -0700, "Jeff Lait" <torespondisfutile@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Hansjoerg Malthaner wrote:
>> Jim Strathmeyer wrote::
>>
>> > Chipacabra <chipb@efn.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Paul Derbyshire <twisted0n3@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >>news:OaidncjjjYppSuXfRVn-2g@rogers.com:
>> >
>> >
>> > Paul has already explained in previous threads that he is unable to
>look
>> > things up because he was molested as a child. There's no use in
>beating
>> > a dead horse.
>>
>> You guys are rude. A short explanation was probably as easy to write
>but
>> instead you write 5 lines of telling how stupid Twisted is.
>
>Twisted One has gone to great lengths to deserve this rudeness.

Even if that's true, it is never an excuse for trolls to post "unprovoked"
attacks.

I've had to make at least three killfiles to supresses these kinds of
flames, some of which are very recent nymshifts (and it's obvious who the
recent poster is as well). If you need to make that many killfiles, then
it's already beyond a basic flamewar and into the realms of mass trolling.
 
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