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Chipacabra <chipb@efn.org> wrote in
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> ABCGi <abcgi@yahoo.com> wrote in news:4277573d$0$79461$14726298
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>> Arthur J. O'Dwyer wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2 May 2005, Glen Wheeler wrote:
>>>
>>>> "ABCGi" <abcgi@yahoo.com> wrote...
>>>>
>>>>> Elethiomel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not to mention the "Uncanny Valley" (
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley )
>>>
>>> Very interesting; I hadn't heard that term before. IMHO it
>>> applies
>>> not only to graphics (of humans or otherwise), but also to
>>> just about every kind of creative endeavor that tries to mimic
>>> everyday things. Including monster AI and user-interface
>>> design (on topic! 😉 The better your technique gets, the more
>>> the little bugs stand out and make the (user/player/viewer)
>>> uncomfortable.
>>
>> Might be related to the instinct that drives racism.
>
> Probably not. Racism isn't instinctual. Racism, as opposed to
> ordinary xenophobia, isn't known to have existed until sometime
> around 1000A.D., give or take a few centuries. Before then, you
> were just hated for where you lived, not what you looked like.

It depends on your definition of racism. If you believe one color
variation of squirels competes with other color variation of
squirels and attacks, if it has the chance, the other kind with
prefference, then even squirels are racistic.

 

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Raymond Martineau wrote:

> BTW, it's only easy to find out what it means if you can plug it into
> Google by itself and click "I'm feeling Lucky".


I disagree. You only have to learn about the "define:" search term once
for it to be easy for you to find out what things mean by typing in
"define: otaku", for instance, and pressing "search". After you do this,
Google lists all the different definitions it finds. This makes it easy
to find out what pretty much any uncommon term means on the internet, as
uncommon terms are what most commonly need explanation, and thus are
most likely to have definitions in Google's database.

 

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Elethiomel wrote:
> I disagree. You only have to learn about the "define:" search term once
> for it to be easy for you to find out what things mean by typing in
> "define: otaku", for instance, and pressing "search". After you do this,
> Google lists all the different definitions it finds. This makes it easy
> to find out what pretty much any uncommon term means on the internet, as
> uncommon terms are what most commonly need explanation, and thus are
> most likely to have definitions in Google's database.

How are you going to know which definition is applicable to the
circumstances in which you, personally, saw the term? It's not going to
be via a Google search, unless it can index *the mind of the person who
wrote that post*...

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Twisted One <twisted0n3@gmail.invalid> wrote in
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> Elethiomel wrote:
>> I disagree. You only have to learn about the "define:" search term
>> once for it to be easy for you to find out what things mean by typing
>> in "define: otaku", for instance, and pressing "search". After you do
>> this, Google lists all the different definitions it finds. This makes
>> it easy to find out what pretty much any uncommon term means on the
>> internet, as uncommon terms are what most commonly need explanation,
>> and thus are most likely to have definitions in Google's database.
>
> How are you going to know which definition is applicable to the
> circumstances in which you, personally, saw the term? It's not going
> to be via a Google search, unless it can index *the mind of the person
> who wrote that post*...
>

Oh, come on. If there's contradictory definitions, you use the one that
best fits the context. If, after you've done the work, it's STILL not
clear, THEN you can ask which definition the original person meant, and not
sound like a git.

 

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Chipacabra wrote:
> Twisted One <twisted0n3@gmail.invalid> wrote in
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>
>
>>Elethiomel wrote:
>>
>>>I disagree. You only have to learn about the "define:" search term
>>>once for it to be easy for you to find out what things mean by typing
>>>in "define: otaku", for instance, and pressing "search". After you do
>>>this, Google lists all the different definitions it finds. This makes
>>>it easy to find out what pretty much any uncommon term means on the
>>>internet, as uncommon terms are what most commonly need explanation,
>>>and thus are most likely to have definitions in Google's database.
>>
>>How are you going to know which definition is applicable to the
>>circumstances in which you, personally, saw the term? It's not going
>>to be via a Google search, unless it can index *the mind of the person
>>who wrote that post*...
>>
>
>
> Oh, come on. If there's contradictory definitions, you use the one that
> best fits the context. If, after you've done the work, it's STILL not
> clear, THEN you can ask which definition the original person meant, and not
> sound like a git.

There _are_ contradictory definitions. In the original Japanese
meaning of the word, the term is derogatory. However, in common
American geek slang (if you could call it "common"), it's worn as a
badge of pride, and is taken as a complement. Not sure why, since
obsessing over _anything_, anime included, is pretty lame.

This is one case where Neo should not have had to google it. He
wasn't the only one here who was unfamiliar with the term. More than
one person stated that they didn't know what it meant, yet a few rude
people here kept acting like elitist jerks, and refused to answer
multiple requests for the definition. You can't possibly assume that
everyone is familiar with your elitist anime nerd lingo, and you guys
should have just answered the simple request with a direct answer.

Most people in America are not familiar with anime nerd slang like
baka, otaku, kawaii, or other random words. And on that point, anyone
who uses those words around those unfamiliar with that particular
lexicon, stop it. It's one thing to use a certain specialized
vocabulary around those who know it, or where other words just won't
fit the situation, but there's no excuse to use this lame anime nerd
slang around people who don't share the same interest. There's no
reason to use the word otaku, when "anime nerd" would have gotten the
point across just as well, and there would be no chance of being
unclear. Stop being elitists, and communicate in clear English that
is understandable to everyone in this group.


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which some of the most popular are `Why are people born?'
`Why do they die?' `Why do they spend so much of the
intervening time wearing digital watches?'"

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Timothy Pruett wrote:
> Most people in America are not familiar with anime nerd slang like baka,
> otaku, kawaii, or other random words. And on that point, anyone who
> uses those words around those unfamiliar with that particular lexicon,
> stop it. It's one thing to use a certain specialized vocabulary around
> those who know it, or where other words just won't fit the situation,
> but there's no excuse to use this lame anime nerd slang around people
> who don't share the same interest. There's no reason to use the word
> otaku, when "anime nerd" would have gotten the point across just as
> well, and there would be no chance of being unclear. Stop being
> elitists, and communicate in clear English that is understandable to
> everyone in this group.

Hear, hear!

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Timothy Pruett wrote:

> >>There _are_ contradictory definitions. In the original Japanese
> >>meaning of the word, the term is derogatory. However, in common
> >>American geek slang (if you could call it "common"), it's worn as a

> >>badge of pride, and is taken as a complement. Not sure why, since
> >>obsessing over _anything_, anime included, is pretty lame.
> >
> >
> > The secret is that in fact, it means exactly the same in American
English
> > as it does in Japanese. 🙂
>
> It means the same thing, but it changes the context completely.

For instance in America, if you use "otaku", chances are you shall
spend 0.5 minutes of explaination afterward to save 0.5 second saying
"anime nerd". If you come from a place where terms like "nerd" is
unpopular, you should adapt. Usenet is a place for free critism 😉

 

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Quoting Timothy Pruett <drakalor.tourist@gmail.com>:
>There _are_ contradictory definitions. In the original Japanese
>meaning of the word, the term is derogatory. However, in common
>American geek slang (if you could call it "common"), it's worn as a
>badge of pride, and is taken as a complement. Not sure why, since
>obsessing over _anything_, anime included, is pretty lame.

The secret is that in fact, it means exactly the same in American English
as it does in Japanese. 🙂

In British English, of course, we call a fanboy a fanboy.
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David Damerell wrote:
> Quoting Timothy Pruett <drakalor.tourist@gmail.com>:
>
>>There _are_ contradictory definitions. In the original Japanese
>>meaning of the word, the term is derogatory. However, in common
>>American geek slang (if you could call it "common"), it's worn as a
>>badge of pride, and is taken as a complement. Not sure why, since
>>obsessing over _anything_, anime included, is pretty lame.
>
>
> The secret is that in fact, it means exactly the same in American English
> as it does in Japanese. 🙂

It means the same thing, but it changes the context completely.

> In British English, of course, we call a fanboy a fanboy.


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which some of the most popular are `Why are people born?'
`Why do they die?' `Why do they spend so much of the
intervening time wearing digital watches?'"

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Timothy Pruett wrote:
>> The secret is that in fact, it means exactly the same in American English
>> as it does in Japanese. 🙂
>
> It means the same thing, but it changes the context completely.

ITYM the denotation is the same but the connotation is not.

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Twisted One wrote:
> Timothy Pruett wrote:
>
>>> The secret is that in fact, it means exactly the same in American
>>> English
>>> as it does in Japanese. 🙂
>>
>>
>> It means the same thing, but it changes the context completely.
>
>
> ITYM the denotation is the same but the connotation is not.

Yes, actually. I've been too tired to think straight these last few
days, and barely seem able to handle speaking my own language. ;-)

Thanks for clarifying for me.


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which some of the most popular are `Why are people born?'
`Why do they die?' `Why do they spend so much of the
intervening time wearing digital watches?'"

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Ray Dillinger wrote:

> 20th level player characters <snip> should be
> as rare as players who've had the commitment to stick with a
character
> and play that character consistently for a long time <snip> without
getting >killed.

so MMORPGS should take a lesson from RL's: permadeath.

 

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Perhaps in the same way that StarCraft seemed very much like Alien(s)

 

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> Perhaps in the same way that StarCraft seemed very much like Alien(s)
>

Not really. Where are the Protoss? The humans in Aliens aren't really
terran. The Zerg are also extremely different to the Aliens...remember
those slug-things that ``ruled'' the zerg? They weren't exactly the
greatest of warriors, unlike the Alien queen.

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Glen Wheeler wrote:
> Not really. Where are the Protoss? The humans in Aliens aren't really
> terran. The Zerg are also extremely different to the Aliens...remember
> those slug-things that ``ruled'' the zerg? They weren't exactly the
> greatest of warriors, unlike the Alien queen.

The Alien Queen has to detach from that big sac thing in order to kick
ass. So they might not be so different...

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"Twisted One" <twisted0n3@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
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> Glen Wheeler wrote:
>> Not really. Where are the Protoss? The humans in Aliens aren't really
>> terran. The Zerg are also extremely different to the Aliens...remember
>> those slug-things that ``ruled'' the zerg? They weren't exactly the
>> greatest of warriors, unlike the Alien queen.
>
> The Alien Queen has to detach from that big sac thing in order to kick
> ass. So they might not be so different...
>

I'm not an Aliens buff by any stretch, but did the sac thing give orders
to all of its brood by telepathy??

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Glen Wheeler wrote:
> I'm not an Aliens buff by any stretch, but did the sac thing give orders
> to all of its brood by telepathy??

It wasn't an independent entity, but a dumpable (and regrowable, I
guess) part of the Queen. As for how they communicated, the movies never
made that explicit. Pheromones seem likely.

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Twisted One wrote:
> Glen Wheeler wrote:
>
>> I'm not an Aliens buff by any stretch, but did the sac thing give
>> orders to all of its brood by telepathy??
>
>
> It wasn't an independent entity, but a dumpable (and regrowable, I
> guess) part of the Queen.

I think it was pretty clearly the queen's external reproductive
organs.

Bear