E4300 Pin mod

[nukemaster]

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

Good find. Takes me back the A-XP days.

 

[Grimmy]

Agreed.. nice find Ninja.

Also found that radio shack has a pen to use:

CircuitWriter Pen

For $6.49

 

[dragonsprayer]

:idea:

 

[dasickninja]

I have no reason to take you on. I have credibility, which you lack, and no where did I say that I ever attempted the mod.

 

[dragonsprayer]

flaming is bad! enjoy your amd and becarefull shunting chips for your family and friends!

 

[chyort]

i came here since i had some time on my hands. then to help people

how does insulting people, and derailing the thread help anyone? not to mention being an over all idiot.

 

[dasickninja]

I'm a AMD fanboy, yet I posted a guide for people to mod their E4300's? I'm a AMD fanboy yet I was the first here to buy the 3060 Xeon and test it?

 

[darkstar782]

The people that try this mod need to be aware of a couple of things.

1. This mod will force the CPU to do 2.4GHz at stock voltage. Thats a 33% overclock, and while most e4300s will cope with this, some may not. Your solution would be to combine this mod with a vCore pinmod. You can find these @ VR-Zone.

2. This mod will make your e4300 run at 1.6GHz under speedstep rather than 1.2GHz. Not an issue except that the CPU will have also dropped its vCore through the floor here as Intel want the lowest wattage ratings possible.

I'd highly recommend disabling speedstep if you do this. IMHO it is not compatible with overclocking.

 

[dasickninja]

Thank you for those disclaimers.

 

[Heyyou27]

you have 6000 posts! is that what u mean?

take me on? not sure what u mean! since you like to flame me i thought its only fair to flame you back! sounds like you want to kcik my azz

dude credibility - ask people who buy $6000-$8000 psu's - that i built - they are happy so i am not looking for cred.

i came here since i had some time on my hands. then to help people - then i ran into you "amti-ites " or blindly loyal amd fantics. i dont mind being an intel fan boy.

flaming is bad! enjoy your amd and becarefull shunting chips for your family and friends!

Please stop posting.

 

[darkstar782]

I should also add that if you do perform a vCore pinmod you should DEFINATELY disable speedstep as the modifications will prevent the CPU from properly signalling its desired voltage when it steps down.

This could result in a really low voltage, causing crashes, or a really high voltage, causing a dead CPU.

If you only perform the FSB pinmod, it will not affect voltages in any way, so dont worry

Even those people that can overclock fine on their mobos should give this a try if they are hitting an overclock celing, as the mobo may be using a 200MHz strap and therefore hitting a chipset FSB wall.

 

[dasickninja]

And that's what this was intended as, a easy way to raise the strap. Unfortunately, I got accused of plagiarism along the way. :roll:

 

[ajfink]

I'm a AMD fanboy, yet I posted a guide for people to mod their E4300's? I'm a AMD fanboy yet I was the first here to buy the 3060 Xeon and test it?

I own all Intel products except an Athlon64 3500+ system which I built in the Athlon64 heyday (when he was apparently building tons of P4 systems for some awful reason) and I think he thinks I'm an AMD fanboy, too.

Dragon...we might sound like real dicks right now...but I agree...stop posting if you're just going to spread Intel FUD and nonsensical stuff.

 

[billdcat4]

Is there any advantage to OC'ing the e4300 to 2.4ghz this way as opposed to using a DS3?

Could it possibly not work if you have value ram which cant take a strong OC?

Planning like many to get an e4300 and DS3 soon.

 

[rdhood]

this is a dumb idea - i mean volt modding a video card for more speed is cool - adding a resistor or a pencil line for 10-15% speed i can see but this is dumb why risk this mod? if you need 266 buy a e6300 if you cant overclock buy a new mobo!

????? Fry's gives the board away free with the chip. Why is it a dumb idea to do a 33% overclock with an E4300 for free? Of course, it remains to be seen what they will bundle the E4300. But it is almost always an ECS board. And... if you have AGP and/or DDR memory, its a heckuvan upgrade for the price of the chip.

 

[dasickninja]

I'm not sure if there is over using the mobo itself, and I've never tested this since I don't have a E4300, but I'm sure one of those with more knowledge will speak up.

 

[darkstar782]

Pfft AMD fanboy? If anything I'd have said Ninja swung slightly the Intel way, but only because I dont like his non-Zero graphs 😛

Whatever Ninja's personal CPU preferences he does a very good job at remainign impartial with regards to recommendations and spending cash on hardware to test it for us. I really wouldnt call him a Fanboy.

Still, its ok Dragon, we know you are just stabbing at the fanboy button because you have no legitimate arguments left

As for plagarism, meh. Wusy doesnt post here anymore and you were sharing your info with the THG forum. This is no more plagarism than a post about some new CPU roadmap on another site imho, especially as you had Wusys permission....


Billdcat4: The advantage of this method is that you force the motherboard to use a 266MHz strap rather than a 200MHz strap. This SHOULD reduce the stress on the chipset while overclocking.

Due to the fact that Intel dont release every detail of their chipset and CPU design, this is more accepted theory backed by alot of evidence, rather than a fully fledged fact. But if you hit a limit with your DS3 and want to go further, this is worth trying. It is a very low risk mod. Some boards have been shown to switch to a higher strap as you increase the FSB anyway, some haven't. Alot of boards only switch to a 333MHz strap at 401MHz FSB for example, leaving an unattainable FSB hole at 380-400MHz or so. The 266-333 version of ths mod has allowed CPUs to post at those speeds.

I'd guess that with a 200MHz strap there will be another FSB hole around 315-333MHz, which may be where you want your overclock to sit. Forcing a 266MHz strap with this mod should solve that.

This can be usefull if the limits of your CPU fall right in one of those FSB holes, like mine which will max at 3.95GHz (albeit with more voltage than I am comfortable with on a day to day basis) with the 266-333 version of this mod.

 

[billdcat4]

Thnx, Ill be sure to think about trying this mod.

Where could I get a conductive pen? Also what kind of cleaner could I get if I mess up?

 

[dasickninja]

Grimmy found a nice pen to use in this mod. Its linked in message 29, on this page.

 

[1Tanker]

Pfft AMD fanboy? If anything I'd have said Ninja swung slightly the Intel way, but only because I dont like his non-Zero graphs 😛

Whatever Ninja's personal CPU preferences he does a very good job at remainign impartial with regards to recommendations and spending cash on hardware to test it for us. I really wouldnt call him a Fanboy.

Still, its ok Dragon, we know you are just stabbing at the fanboy button because you have no legitimate arguments left

As for plagarism, meh. Wusy doesnt post here anymore and you were sharing your info with the THG forum. This is no more plagarism than a post about some new CPU roadmap on another site imho, especially as you had Wusys permission....


Billdcat4: The advantage of this method is that you force the motherboard to use a 266MHz strap rather than a 200MHz strap. This SHOULD reduce the stress on the chipset while overclocking.

Due to the fact that Intel dont release every detail of their chipset and CPU design, this is more accepted theory backed by alot of evidence, rather than a fully fledged fact. But if you hit a limit with your DS3 and want to go further, this is worth trying. It is a very low risk mod. Some boards have been shown to switch to a higher strap as you increase the FSB anyway, some haven't. Alot of boards only switch to a 333MHz strap at 401MHz FSB for example, leaving an unattainable FSB hole at 380-400MHz or so. The 266-333 version of ths mod has allowed CPUs to post at those speeds.

I'd guess that with a 200MHz strap there will be another FSB hole around 315-333MHz, which may be where you want your overclock to sit. Forcing a 266MHz strap with this mod should solve that.

This can be usefull if the limits of your CPU fall right in one of those FSB holes, like mine which will max at 3.95GHz (albeit with more voltage than I am comfortable with on a day to day basis) with the 266-333 version of this mod.

Exactly. The idea is to share knowledge/help people, it's not about getting the glory for posting something. Ninja, and Da Clan do reviews and write articles, and post them. Do they do it for money, recognition?..i don't think so. They do it to help their fellow geeks, and help others make good buying or modding decisions. :x DragonSprayer is just jealous that he didn't post it....so his head could swell. :x

 

[darious00777]

$7+tax for the pen.
$15+tax for some thermal paste if I can't find some laying about.

So >$30 and on Friday afternoon I'll be giving this modification a chance. Wish me luck!

I'd highly recommend disabling speedstep if you do this. IMHO it is not compatible with overclocking.

Umm, would anything bad happen if I couldn't disable speedstep? I keep both cores loaded at pretty much all times, so the only chance of speedstep kicking in would be during boot and when the Windows environment starts to get going.

 

[rdhood]

Is there any advantage to OC'ing the e4300 to 2.4ghz this way as opposed to using a DS3?

Could it possibly not work if you have value ram which cant take a strong OC?

Planning like many to get an e4300 and DS3 soon.

If you purchase your E4300 with a bundled MB that is incapable of overclocking (i.e. Fry's bundles an ECS board with the E4300 for free just about every other week), then this gives your best overclock for free.

The S3/DS3 is a FAR better solution.

 

[darious00777]

$15 for thermal paste?

Just budgeting that much for it. 😛

Artic5 probably runs $7 at my local PC shop. But in the extremely unlikly event they've got some of that Esmu Karate (er, whatever that really good stuff is called that starts with an E) stuff and are charging a premium, I'll go with that.



Edit: Checked SpeedStep. Apparently that's off, though I've never changed that setting I can clearly remember it affecting my CPU.

 

[dasickninja]

You fool!! If you were a true enthusiast you would lap you heatsink till it was mirror smooth, then buy and apply Shin-Etsu X23 thermal paste, make your own phase changer, and build a shrine to me. I tell you. The nerve of noobs today...

 

[joewho]

First off, THANK YOU! I paid $159 for the Frys special with E4300 and ECS Mobo. I did the Mod, and BAM 2.4. My PCMark05 score is much higher on my $159 rig than my Opty 185 @2.8 rig now. Makes me want to cry.

I went into BIOS and raised FSB to 300 and BAM 2.7. Was not stable at stock volts at 2.7 but is a rock at 2.4.

Anyway thanks again for the GOOD info. 😀