EA Boss Nods To Core Gamers' Issue with Origin

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I think true gamers/users don't have a problem with the Origin program (though it definitely has its issues), I think they don't like EA's core values. Within the last few months, EA flat out said that Steam's heavily discounted sales on games only devalues video game IP, and that EA would never have such cheap sales because they believe in the intrinsic value of games. Right...if you believed in the intrinsic value of games, how have you put out so many terrible sequels, riding only on name recognition than actual good content? (not to mention that EA seemed to back-track not too long after, and had heavily discounted sales on EA games--maybe they just don't like the competition, perhaps?)

Know what gamers want? Good games at good prices with as little hassle as possible. And the occasional sales. Sure, lots of people hate DRM, hate that they can't sell their digital games. Maybe EA could differentiate themselves from Steam by going down that road and actually listening to the users. But they don't seem to have any interest in doing that.

I like Steam--never had a problem with it. But I also don't fool myself into not thinking that it's also DRM like any other form, only better-implemented. I also love the hugely-discounted sales that happen from time-to-time--like right now. :) That's one reason why I've stuck with it since using it, and haven't purchased a physical copy of a game in years.

I don't remember this backlash to Steam. But EA needs to realize that even if this backlash happened against steam, it doesn't mean it's okay if it also happens to someone else (EA, for example).
 
I would like to see origin play nice with steam. It sucks that if I open a game in origin steam reports me as idle and I cant use the steam overlay. I have like 2 friends that use origin but I have like 50 that use steam. As soon as I fire up origin I am cut off from the 50.

I have found that if I link an origin game to steam and launch the game from steam with origin closed, origin open and then the game opens and the steam over lay works. But if origin is already running when you call an origin game from steam the over lay does not work.
 
[citation][nom]oxiide[/nom]Origin is only as successful as Battlefield 3, Mass Effect 3 and The Old Republic are.[/citation]

/shocked/
Wait what? I've never heard of these games of which you speak... are you sure you aren't referring to Battle Field Bad Company 2, Mass Effect 2, and Knights of the Old Republic?
 
I wanted BF3 so I got Origin. My biggest problem with it, and I've said this before in these forums, is that in order for me to play BF3, I have to load Origin. Origin then loads my web browser in order to connect to BattleNET (or whatever the heck they call it), then from there, I select a server and it loads the actual game.
So, in order to play the games, I need to load a program, to load a program, to load a program. Seriously EA?!?!
 
Really now EA, come on! My major issue with Origin (as well as many others), is the whole "we reserve the right to browse through your computer if you connect to Origin" clause in the TOS.

F*CK THAT!
 
EA can suck my balls. They host SWTOR on damn pile of crap servers. Ruined the game because no players are ever seen and world PvP isn't there because of the crappy small servers.

EA is all about $$ and no advice from customers. The will ignore us and kill the game "anygame" before opening their ears. I don't know whos incharge but he's a fat dumb ass and to be honest I can express my angry with this company. Full of excuses, They lie, They are all about pipe schedules, They release beta games before they are ready because of $$.

SCREW you EA to nazi software ass hat!

I understand other companys such as Blizzard or Sony aren't perfect but EA by all means is the worst of the worst. I was hoping the rumor about EA selling off was true.
 
said DeMartini. "There are better mousetraps that ultimately get built out of this innovation
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typical corporate executive thinking, customers are just annoying vermin that need to be exterminated in order to steal their money.

somebody should tell him that's just going to make for smarter & more mice aka pirates/hackers
 
so EA is an innovator now? that bunch of hyenas?

taking someone else's trailblazing efforts, duplicating them and calling it "innovation" is microsoft's patented "embrace and extend" approach to business.

be men enough to admit you're just going where the money is, not even morons believe the innovation spiel these days.
 
DeMartini refers to the company's new promotion which offers Kicksterter-funded games the opportunity to be listed free on Origin for the crutial first three months.

>>Kickterter

Seriously run spellcheck, Kevin.
 
Does anyone else think DeMartini sounds like a complete tool? I especially like this statement:

If MySpace had stayed the one answer in social networking and no one switched to Facebook, then we'd all be stuck on MySpace right now and we wouldn't have had the Facebook phenomenon
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"If no one switched from MySpace then we'd all still be on MySpace." Love the circular logic here. Thanks for that insightful clarification, DeMartini. Move along, everyone, nothing to see here but more dry, substance-less executive-drivel.

I know its hard to swallow, but a lot of us don't care and actually buy (key word) their products.
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You are part of the problem. People who support businesses with awful practices perpetuate the awful practices and are the reason we have to continuously put up with *** like EA. If people started caring more about what they are throwing money at, a lot about this industry would change.
 
Origin sucks for the following reasons:

It's a memory hog. Right now, Origin is using 89mb. Steam is using 9 mb.

It doesn't auto update my games. Steam does. When I open steam, 99% of the time my games are available, ready for play. I've never encountered a situation where the client was downloading a patch for the game I wanted to play, but it's always possible. However, when I want to go play an EA game, I can't, because I typically have to patch first.

It's either impossible, or near impossible, to buy games as gifts on Origin. Steam makes it fairly painless.

Origin doesn't even save my login information, from session to session, even after I check the box that says "remember my login information."

EA can suck a fat cock. Everyone knows that it was purely greed that drove them to launch Origin, and everything else is smoke and mirrors to convince the masses that they aren't the Evil Empire.
 
I'll stick with GOG.com. I used to get pretty upset over DRM, and the way the game companies treat their customers. Now I just download a DRM free game at a very reasonable price, and enjoy hours of hassle free game play.

A nice side effect is that I can throw the game on my HTPC, or my outdated laptop, and still play it. No more keeping up with cutting edge hardware, updating video card drivers, bug reports, or dealing with customer service. I just play games now, and remember what I love so much about gaming.
 
We can here clearly see who those "core gamers" are. People annoyed that EA games such as BF3 aren't on Steam. Keep in mind that Valve is the one that gave them the boot because EA violated something in the contract.

Also are you hypocrites or why aren't you bashing Valve for not putting their games on Origin?
 
[citation][nom]AsTheDeath[/nom]Ah, but Steam is a memory-hogging DRM-like service with an offline mode that doesn't work reliably! How is it possible that they have become so popular?EA, if you want Origin to become successful, you're going to have to either cut DRM, cut prices or offer loads of bonus content to make up for the first two (sounds like GOG, anyone?). The only reason I use Steam is because it's ridiculously cheap (during the sales). And please, if you're so stubborn on 'we can do DLC / our own game distribution better than Steam' then actually do it. I'm still (after what? 2 years?) waiting for an ME2 DLC sale. The original Alice on Origin would be nice too, considering you didn't forget to give the console owners a copy.[/citation]


You're a clown who evidenly owns an old PC. No one else has issues running Steam. It barely uses any memory on my computer exept when I'm actually playing a game - duh! And the only people who complain about DRM are the dishonest game hackers. I've been PC gaming or 15 years and had one single issue with DRM which ended up being resolved with a follow-up patch - and it wasn't a game issue, it was crapp Punkbuster not authenticating properly with the backend servers. I will agree that Steam is far superior to EA in every way right now. Only time will tell if EA is able to further mature their Origin implementation.
 
[citation][nom]vertigo_2000[/nom]I wanted BF3 so I got Origin. My biggest problem with it, and I've said this before in these forums, is that in order for me to play BF3, I have to load Origin. Origin then loads my web browser in order to connect to BattleNET (or whatever the heck they call it), then from there, I select a server and it loads the actual game.So, in order to play the games, I need to load a program, to load a program, to load a program. Seriously EA?!?![/citation]

After several months, I've noted that almost all of the only folks that have DRM issues with BF3 are those running unlegitmate (illegal) copies of their operating system. The rest have just failed to install the latest Windows updates - no kidding.
 
When Steam first went "official" with the Half-Life 2 release, I never had a problem with it. I had my old Half-Life games and mods to launch from, and Valve allowed me to pre-download Half-Life 2. Not to mention it launched with a killer package right out of the box ($70 for HL2, CS:S, DoD:S, HL2: Lost Coast, and the entire Half-Life catalog? This was a Steam sale before Steam sales... however that makes sense). I had no issues with it either, Valve got it right the first time.

Origin however, is a convoluted mess. When I bought BF3 as a hard copy, I was expecting it to be tied to Origin. What I wasn't expecting was that I had to install a couple of other things on top of that, day 1 patches that couldn't have their updates interrupted (which Steam can allow), and launching the game from a web browser of all things. What's the point of Origin if I don't launch BF3 from it?

EA just isn't getting the picture. Steam did it right the first time, and those detractors were just those that wanted physical copies before the concept of digital distribution took off. Origin got nothing right the first time.
 
[citation][nom]hasten[/nom]hmmm. No one is touching the products of the biggest game company in the industry. I guess I don't understand that logic. I know its hard to swallow, but a lot of us don't care and actually buy (key word) their products. This has gotten to the point of obscenity. You didn't like the ending of Mass Effect 3. Did that ruin all the hours of entertainment the series provided? Nope. Then EA spends the resources to release an alternate ending, but the same butt hurt community finds something to complain about that. I'm more annoyed that the whiny internet community ruined the game for a ton of us half way through it by spoiling the ending. (I don't have the time to sit and play it straight through in 2 days)At least EA cares a tiny bit about PC gamers and pushes hardware to its limits. Something that definitely is complained enough about in these same forums.[/citation]

Origin, not Steam - hello?!
 
Funny how gamers bash EA but if EA were to disappear the gaming community would suffer greatly. Also rampant piracy is the main reason for publishers to add DRM or other anti-piracy tactics. You know who you are!!! heh
 
Well, if they allowed BF3 on steam, then there would be a choice, but when you take away that choice, the community gets outraged. I don't want two clients on my PC. Just clutter to me, and I really don't like Origin, it offers nothing better then steam. And if BF3 was offered on steam, I probably wouldn't have been so negative about it. Like many other's, I have been using steam for years, and I am perfectly happy with it. So forcing me to put origin on my pc, just cuz I'm a BF3 fan, just brings up bad feelings.

Also Origin has so many bugs, it's not even funny, and, it's a big pain in the arse to use. Also, DRM, only effects paying customers. Why punish us? I have over 100 games on steam, all bought and paid for. Yet, being a non hacker, DRM aggrevates the crap out of me. Also, maybe they should focus on in game hackers rather then pirates. I think they loose more sales because games are ruined by hackers. Only played BF3 a few times in the past couple of months, and almost every time there was some idiot hacking, killing everyone, with kill death ratio's of like 50 to 1. Thats not fun. I know i'm going a little off subject, but they need an "IN GAME" report system for hackers. Just my opinion as a paying customer. Hacking is the whole reason I quit BF2. Thought they would have solved this problem by now.

I wonder how EA's numbers would be effected if they didn't include games that were exclusive to Origin.
 
my biggest problem with EA Origin is the fact that they announce all these great deals to get people on the service. I remember I downloaded Origin because they had announced a very good deal, buy mass effect 3 get bf3 free. i look for the game only to find out that the deal is only available stateside. it just pisses me off. steam, for the most part, has most of its biggest deals available worldwide, but origin locks most of its good deals in the states. thats the deal breaker for me, I rarely ever buy a game for $60 unless its a REALLY good deal. and EA isnt delivering in the good deal department.
 
[citation][nom]john_4[/nom]STEAM has me steamed too. I picked up a game of the Fallout Ultimate Edition cheap to play this winter and now own two copies, one of them is standard. Can I sell it? NO THIS is all about DRM and stopping used software sales. Never mind I was just going to give the game away to a friend. F*ck both of the services.[/citation]


Wait, so you're angry at Steam for you purchasing a second copy of a game you already own on a digital service that by it's very nature provides no ability for you to re-sell your games?

lol
 
[citation][nom]hasten[/nom]hmmm. No one is touching the products of the biggest game company in the industry. I guess I don't understand that logic. I know its hard to swallow, but a lot of us don't care and actually buy (key word) their products. This has gotten to the point of obscenity. You didn't like the ending of Mass Effect 3. Did that ruin all the hours of entertainment the series provided? Nope. Then EA spends the resources to release an alternate ending, but the same butt hurt community finds something to complain about that. I'm more annoyed that the whiny internet community ruined the game for a ton of us half way through it by spoiling the ending. (I don't have the time to sit and play it straight through in 2 days)At least EA cares a tiny bit about PC gamers and pushes hardware to its limits. Something that definitely is complained enough about in these same forums.[/citation]


Wait, so was it EA "caring about pushing hardware to it's limits" that caused Crysis 2 to be rushed out the door on PC as a console port? I thought it was Crytek being genuinely good guys and caring about their fanbase that caused the HD and DX11 packs to become available post-release?
 
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