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Quoth The Raven "Cataleptic"<cat.the.mess@ihug.co.nz> in
9900e.11919$1S4.1239891@news.xtra.co.nz
> James Garvin wrote:
>> JWB wrote:
>>
>>> *cough* Yoda *cough*
>>
>> For kids he is, yes...
>
> Yoda's just a Star Wars version of the 'eccentric Sage' archetype. If
> he was for kids, he would've had googly eyes and a collection of
> dead-fish boomerangs.

he still is a Muppet though, and Muppets threw dead fish boomerangs.

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In article <3ac1u8F62tgksU1@individual.net>, RelMark wrote:
> "James Garvin" <jgarvin2004@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:gZ-dnSgubPD3C93fRVn-qw@comcast.com...
>> Cataleptic wrote:
>> > James Garvin wrote:
>> >
>> >> JWB wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> *cough* Yoda *cough*
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> For kids he is, yes...
>> >
>> >
>> > Yoda's just a Star Wars version of the 'eccentric Sage' archetype. If he
>> > was for kids, he would've had googly eyes and a collection of dead-fish
>> > boomerangs.
>>
>> Dead fish boomerangs????
>
> The Swedish Chef, I think (Muppet Show).

No, the flying boomerang fish were the Flying *something*
Brothers.

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Grant Anderson <gpsanderson@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Memnoch wrote:
>
>> I thought that line had been explained. Something about it not being a
>> accidental use of a measurement of distance used in place of one of time but
>> that the Kessel run was something you could navigate i.e. you could take
>> different routes from London to Cambridge.
>
> Whether it was originally intended this way or not, I don't know, but
> it's been explained as follows (at
> http://www.nitpickers.com/movies/nitpick.cgi?np=495): "the Kessel Run is
> the 18-parsec route around the Maw cluster of black holes used by
> smugglers to evade Imperial ships that restrict the shipment of
> glitterstim ("spice" - mined on kessel) - smugglers try to shave time
> off the route by finding a path closer to the Maw - which requires, as
> had been mentioned, higher speed to escape the gravitational pull - a
> short route demonstrates both speed and navigational skill. Han holds
> the record for the kessel run with a full load, at 11.5 parsecs."
>
> Apparently it's in the commentary on the A New Hope DVD, by Lucas
> himself. I don't really mind if it is made up after the fact, it's good
> enough for me to suspend disbelief 🙂

It actually makes a pretty good story. Now I want to see a movie where
someone actually performs that kessel run.


mcv.
 
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Troll <newstroll@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> That would also help to avoid unnecessary (and mind-bogglingly stupid)
> items like metachlorians (sp?) and a political system that has an
> elected monarchy (?!?) where 14 year olds are the most compelling
> candidates (one suspects that maybe the Gungans are *not* the dumbest
> things that walk on two legs on Naboo). IMO, those all make the "it's
> the ship that did the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs" line look like it
> was written by Stephen Hawking.

Elected kings and queens aren't completely unheard of in earth's history.
There was a time when presidents hadn't been invented yet, and people
wanted kings. And in some cases, rulership wasn't heriditary, but the
ruler was chosen by his people. Electing 14 year olds sounds a bit less
likely, though. I believe the Dalai Lama is chosen as a kid, but that's
a position for life, and Queen of Naboo apparently isn't.


mcv.
 
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On 2005-03-23, mcv <mcvmcv@xs3.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Troll <newstroll@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> That would also help to avoid unnecessary (and mind-bogglingly stupid)
>> items like metachlorians (sp?) and a political system that has an
>> elected monarchy (?!?) where 14 year olds are the most compelling
>> candidates (one suspects that maybe the Gungans are *not* the dumbest
>> things that walk on two legs on Naboo). IMO, those all make the "it's
>> the ship that did the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs" line look like it
>> was written by Stephen Hawking.
>
> Elected kings and queens aren't completely unheard of in
> earth's history.

Some countries in the middle east elected their monarchy around
the time the British gave the country its independence. There's
at least one country where the monarchy has been elected for 150
years. The next election would take place in the next
century. You're right it's not unheard of at all.

> There was a time when presidents hadn't been invented yet, and people
> wanted kings. And in some cases, rulership wasn't heriditary, but the
> ruler was chosen by his people. Electing 14 year olds sounds a bit less
> likely, though. I believe the Dalai Lama is chosen as a kid, but that's
> a position for life, and Queen of Naboo apparently isn't.

Also the world of SW has Emperors in it. Emperors were typically
either self declared, royal, or voted in by a senate.
 
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:43:33 GMT, "JWB"
<jwb3333__removethissection__@excite.com> wrotC😀RIVE_E

>
>The last movie in season 7. There were three more seasons after that.
>Diabolik was the last one.
>

Thanks. I couldn't remember if it was the CC finale or the Sci-Fi
finale.
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once been afflicted with it, thanks the Gods." Bruno The Bandit
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On 23 Mar 2005 01:54:09 GMT, Knight37 <knight37m@email.com> wrote:

>
>Actually this is the reason that I want to get Star Wars Battlefront when
>it gets under $20 so I can run around and blow Gungans and Ewoks.

Hmmm.


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"Neil Cerutti" <neil.cerutti@tds.net> wrote in message
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> In article <3ac1u8F62tgksU1@individual.net>, RelMark wrote:
> > "James Garvin" <jgarvin2004@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:gZ-dnSgubPD3C93fRVn-qw@comcast.com...
> >> Cataleptic wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Yoda's just a Star Wars version of the 'eccentric Sage' archetype. If he
> >> > was for kids, he would've had googly eyes and a collection of dead-fish
> >> > boomerangs.
> >>
> >> Dead fish boomerangs????
> >
> > The Swedish Chef, I think (Muppet Show).
>
> No, the flying boomerang fish were the Flying *something*
> Brothers.

I display my ignorance. 🙁
It's been way too long since I last saw the show.

RelMark
 
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:39:22 -0700, James Garvin <jgarvin2004@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Memnoch wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:57:51 GMT, Troll <newstroll@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Alfie [UK] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:45:23 -0000, "Morgan Sales"
>>>><msales.DIESPAMMER@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You can't really say that Lucas doesn't understand the franchise seeing as
>>>>>he wrote the bloody films.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I think the problem most of the older fans have is that they grew up
>>>>with it, as pre-teen or young teenage boys, from when Ep IV came out (I
>>>>was seven).
>>>>
>>>>Lucas was aiming at the pre-teen/young teen market from the start and
>>>>has continued in that vein, maybe lowering the age-sight a little, and
>>>>the older fans feel that the franchise hasn't grown with them.
>>>>
>>>>Lucas never intended that it should grow up. If you ever saw any of the
>>>>interviews with him back then (1977) he talked about it exactly the same
>>>>way as he does now about the new films, like he's pitching to 8-14 year
>>>>olds. All he's done is update his original story ideas using current
>>>>technological abilities to turn it into movies, and in the differences
>>>>between Original and Special Editions of Eps IV-VI you can see how he
>>>>had to scale his original ideas back because of technological
>>>>constraints.
>>>>
>>>>I think any hints of the darker side, or the more adult humour, came
>>>>mostly from the actors themselves, particularly Harrison Ford, who
>>>>supposedly liked to 'do things his way' once he became Hollywood
>>>>hot-property and realised that he had some clout.
>>>>
>>>>The only real problem I've ever had with the franchise is that Lucas
>>>>should stop trying to have so much input on the dialog and let a decent
>>>>script writer at it, but I doubt that will ever happen.
>>>>
>>>
>>>That would also help to avoid unnecessary (and mind-bogglingly stupid)
>>>items like metachlorians (sp?) and a political system that has an
>>>elected monarchy (?!?) where 14 year olds are the most compelling
>>>candidates (one suspects that maybe the Gungans are *not* the dumbest
>>>things that walk on two legs on Naboo). IMO, those all make the "it's
>>>the ship that did the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs" line look like it
>>>was written by Stephen Hawking.
>>
>>
>> I thought that line had been explained. Something about it not being a
>> accidental use of a measurement of distance used in place of one of time but
>> that the Kessel run was something you could navigate i.e. you could take
>> different routes from London to Cambridge.
>
>Right. The idea is that there is a black hole near Kessel. If you do
>it in 12 parsecs you come awfully close the the black hole...Usually the
>Kessel run in 16 parsecs.

And there was me thinking that when they entered Hyperspace that they weren't
actually in this universe anymore and they could fly through objects,
presumably even black holes. If not then why does Han say to Luke that if they
didn't plot a course correctly they could fly through a sun? Admittedly he
didn't say that they would come out the other side but it does imply that you
would somehow end up inside the thing.
 
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Memnoch <memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> once tried to test
me with:

>>Right. The idea is that there is a black hole near Kessel. If you do
>>it in 12 parsecs you come awfully close the the black hole...Usually
>>the Kessel run in 16 parsecs.
>
> And there was me thinking that when they entered Hyperspace that they
> weren't actually in this universe anymore and they could fly through
> objects, presumably even black holes. If not then why does Han say to
> Luke that if they didn't plot a course correctly they could fly
> through a sun? Admittedly he didn't say that they would come out the
> other side but it does imply that you would somehow end up inside the
> thing.

Yeah, but it didn't sound like that would be a GOOD thing.

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Memnoch wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:39:22 -0700, James Garvin <jgarvin2004@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Memnoch wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:57:51 GMT, Troll <newstroll@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Alfie [UK] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:45:23 -0000, "Morgan Sales"
>>>>><msales.DIESPAMMER@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>You can't really say that Lucas doesn't understand the franchise seeing as
>>>>>>he wrote the bloody films.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I think the problem most of the older fans have is that they grew up
>>>>>with it, as pre-teen or young teenage boys, from when Ep IV came out (I
>>>>>was seven).
>>>>>
>>>>>Lucas was aiming at the pre-teen/young teen market from the start and
>>>>>has continued in that vein, maybe lowering the age-sight a little, and
>>>>>the older fans feel that the franchise hasn't grown with them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Lucas never intended that it should grow up. If you ever saw any of the
>>>>>interviews with him back then (1977) he talked about it exactly the same
>>>>>way as he does now about the new films, like he's pitching to 8-14 year
>>>>>olds. All he's done is update his original story ideas using current
>>>>>technological abilities to turn it into movies, and in the differences
>>>>>between Original and Special Editions of Eps IV-VI you can see how he
>>>>>had to scale his original ideas back because of technological
>>>>>constraints.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think any hints of the darker side, or the more adult humour, came
>>>>>mostly from the actors themselves, particularly Harrison Ford, who
>>>>>supposedly liked to 'do things his way' once he became Hollywood
>>>>>hot-property and realised that he had some clout.
>>>>>
>>>>>The only real problem I've ever had with the franchise is that Lucas
>>>>>should stop trying to have so much input on the dialog and let a decent
>>>>>script writer at it, but I doubt that will ever happen.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That would also help to avoid unnecessary (and mind-bogglingly stupid)
>>>>items like metachlorians (sp?) and a political system that has an
>>>>elected monarchy (?!?) where 14 year olds are the most compelling
>>>>candidates (one suspects that maybe the Gungans are *not* the dumbest
>>>>things that walk on two legs on Naboo). IMO, those all make the "it's
>>>>the ship that did the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs" line look like it
>>>>was written by Stephen Hawking.
>>>
>>>
>>>I thought that line had been explained. Something about it not being a
>>>accidental use of a measurement of distance used in place of one of time but
>>>that the Kessel run was something you could navigate i.e. you could take
>>>different routes from London to Cambridge.
>>
>>Right. The idea is that there is a black hole near Kessel. If you do
>>it in 12 parsecs you come awfully close the the black hole...Usually the
>>Kessel run in 16 parsecs.
>
>
> And there was me thinking that when they entered Hyperspace that they weren't
> actually in this universe anymore and they could fly through objects,
> presumably even black holes. If not then why does Han say to Luke that if they
> didn't plot a course correctly they could fly through a sun? Admittedly he
> didn't say that they would come out the other side but it does imply that you
> would somehow end up inside the thing.

Things with large gravitational pull can pull you out of hyperspace....
 
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:10:03 -0700, James Garvin
<jgarvin2004@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hmmm well then maybe we should do a study of the relative intelligence of
>> the caucasian looking humanoids on Naboo versus the big floppy eared
>> reptilian bipeds on Naboo.... oh yeah..... it's a movie!!!
>
>You forgot about the token black guard...

Yeah, anyone else reckonise him as being Rick from Casualty or Holby
City or one of those hospital dramas :)

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:09:54 GMT, Memnoch
<memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote:


>
>And there was me thinking that when they entered Hyperspace that they weren't
>actually in this universe anymore and they could fly through objects,
>presumably even black holes. If not then why does Han say to Luke that if they
>didn't plot a course correctly they could fly through a sun? Admittedly he
>didn't say that they would come out the other side but it does imply that you
>would somehow end up inside the thing.

According the the Westend RPG rules, hyperspace is kinda like a shadow
dimension with objects in the normal one having counterparts in
hyperspace that you could crash into. That's why you have to plot
your course very carefully and why scouting new routes is very
dangerous.

Lynley
 
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"Troll" <newstroll@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Alfie [UK] wrote:

>
> That would also help to avoid unnecessary (and mind-bogglingly stupid)
> items like metachlorians (sp?) and a political system that has an elected
> monarchy (?!?) where 14 year olds are the most compelling candidates (one
> suspects that maybe the Gungans are *not* the dumbest things that walk on
> two legs on Naboo). IMO, those all make the "it's the ship that did the
> Kessel run in under 12 parsecs" line look like it was written by Stephen
> Hawking.

I suspect the script writer has been watching too many animes why kids
barely out of their teens are saving the world in some mechs or evas or
gundams or whatever they call those big hulking things.
 
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"Zyan" <koty@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
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>
> "Troll" <newstroll@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:ztO%d.750495$Xk.190141@pd7tw3no...
>> Alfie [UK] wrote:
>
>>
>> That would also help to avoid unnecessary (and mind-bogglingly stupid)
>> items like metachlorians (sp?) and a political system that has an elected
>> monarchy (?!?) where 14 year olds are the most compelling candidates (one
>> suspects that maybe the Gungans are *not* the dumbest things that walk on
>> two legs on Naboo). IMO, those all make the "it's the ship that did the
>> Kessel run in under 12 parsecs" line look like it was written by Stephen
>> Hawking.
>
> I suspect the script writer has been watching too many animes why kids
> barely out of their teens are saving the world in some mechs or evas or
> gundams or whatever they call those big hulking things.

Sorry, I mean "who barely reached" their teens rather than "barely out of".
 
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Memnoch wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:57:51 GMT, Troll <newstroll@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>Alfie [UK] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:45:23 -0000, "Morgan Sales"
>>><msales.DIESPAMMER@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>You can't really say that Lucas doesn't understand the franchise seeing as
>>>>he wrote the bloody films.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I think the problem most of the older fans have is that they grew up
>>>with it, as pre-teen or young teenage boys, from when Ep IV came out (I
>>>was seven).
>>>
>>>Lucas was aiming at the pre-teen/young teen market from the start and
>>>has continued in that vein, maybe lowering the age-sight a little, and
>>>the older fans feel that the franchise hasn't grown with them.
>>>
>>>Lucas never intended that it should grow up. If you ever saw any of the
>>>interviews with him back then (1977) he talked about it exactly the same
>>>way as he does now about the new films, like he's pitching to 8-14 year
>>>olds. All he's done is update his original story ideas using current
>>>technological abilities to turn it into movies, and in the differences
>>>between Original and Special Editions of Eps IV-VI you can see how he
>>>had to scale his original ideas back because of technological
>>>constraints.
>>>
>>>I think any hints of the darker side, or the more adult humour, came
>>>mostly from the actors themselves, particularly Harrison Ford, who
>>>supposedly liked to 'do things his way' once he became Hollywood
>>>hot-property and realised that he had some clout.
>>>
>>>The only real problem I've ever had with the franchise is that Lucas
>>>should stop trying to have so much input on the dialog and let a decent
>>>script writer at it, but I doubt that will ever happen.
>>>
>>
>>That would also help to avoid unnecessary (and mind-bogglingly stupid)
>>items like metachlorians (sp?) and a political system that has an
>>elected monarchy (?!?) where 14 year olds are the most compelling
>>candidates (one suspects that maybe the Gungans are *not* the dumbest
>>things that walk on two legs on Naboo). IMO, those all make the "it's
>>the ship that did the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs" line look like it
>>was written by Stephen Hawking.
>
>
> I thought that line had been explained. Something about it not being a
> accidental use of a measurement of distance used in place of one of time but
> that the Kessel run was something you could navigate i.e. you could take
> different routes from London to Cambridge.

Yes, I am aware that Lucas had some of his best people come up with an
explanation that made the line sound like it had been written by someone
who did know what a parsec was. Even if you believe a lame coverup like
that, the best case scenario is that Lucas is so sloppy at editing that
he didn't realize he'd hacked out all the relevant context and made Han
Solo sound like a retard.
 
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Troll wrote:

> Yes, I am aware that Lucas had some of his best people come up with an
> explanation that made the line sound like it had been written by someone
> who did know what a parsec was. Even if you believe a lame coverup like
> that, the best case scenario is that Lucas is so sloppy at editing that
> he didn't realize he'd hacked out all the relevant context and made Han
> Solo sound like a retard.

I'd also like to note: HAN SHOT FIRST!
 
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James Garvin wrote:

> Troll wrote:
>
>> Yes, I am aware that Lucas had some of his best people come up with an
>> explanation that made the line sound like it had been written by
>> someone who did know what a parsec was. Even if you believe a lame
>> coverup like that, the best case scenario is that Lucas is so sloppy
>> at editing that he didn't realize he'd hacked out all the relevant
>> context and made Han Solo sound like a retard.
>
>
> I'd also like to note: HAN SHOT FIRST!

You're damn right he did!:)