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I'm told that it's entirely possible to design a combat-specialised Lunar
who will kick any equivalently experienced Solar's ass in a stand-up fight,
but I'm not seeing it. I know that ass-kicking is supposed to be the
Lunars' "thing", but no matter what I come up with, there always seems to be
a Solar build that trumps it (a *zero-XP* Solar build, in most cases). I
freely grant, however, that this may be due to my lack of familiarity with
Lunars; unlike Solars or Sidereals and their neatly-organised Ability-linked
Charm paths, Lunar Charms are all over the place - from what I can see, the
best syngergies for Lunars often come from entirely unrelated chains, while
many of the "standard" syngergies that work for Solars and Sidereals are
explicitly forbidden for Lunars.

Can anyone help me to be a better munchkin? 😉

(Oh, and no Martial Arts - I realise that a Lunar can just pick up a
Celestial MA form to fill in the gaps in his combat abilities, and that many
MA charms from the "animal" styles function a whole lot like upgraded Lunar
charms with more expensive buy-ins anyway, but that's not the point.)

- David Prokopetz.
 
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"James Stein" <JamesSpamtein@si.rr.com> wrote in message
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> David Prokopetz wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Can anyone help me to be a better munchkin? 😉
> >
>
>
> I shall take you under my wing, my son.
>
> Now, the first thing you need to do is consider whether you'll be using
> the Power Combat rules or not. Since they're supposed to be optional,
> but really they're not, I'm going to assume you're using them.
>
> Since you're using PC, you'll note you can make Brawl attacks using
> Strength instead of Dexterity.
>
> You'll also notice that your beastman form gains strength on a 1:1 ratio
> for attribute points, but 1:2 for dexterity. So, what this means is, as
> pretty as Dexterity is for combat, we can get twice the mileage out of
> these points if we make a clincher, and go for Strength instead.
>
> So, now, we've got a general attack idea down - pump strength, go for
> the clinch. We need defense. I'm a fan of having stupidly high hardness
> - I've scared Richard with my 28 hardness / 12 soak lunar.

<snip>

Um... doesn't Lunar hardness max out at twelve, too?

(Other than that, it looks good, but that uberhardness you're counting on
could be a sticking point...)

- Sir Bob.
 
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David Prokopetz wrote:

> <snip>

> Um... doesn't Lunar hardness max out at twelve, too?

> (Other than that, it looks good, but that uberhardness you're counting on
> could be a sticking point...)

I've heard the interpretation that once a Lunar maxes out his hardness,
increases in hardness would alternate between increasing hardness and
soak. I have /never/ heard the interpretation that a Lunar can push his
hardness /above/ his soak, until James wrote a long post about it.
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"Stephenls" <stephenls@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> David Prokopetz wrote:
>
> > <snip>
>
> > Um... doesn't Lunar hardness max out at twelve, too?
>
> > (Other than that, it looks good, but that uberhardness you're counting
on
> > could be a sticking point...)
>
> I've heard the interpretation that once a Lunar maxes out his hardness,
> increases in hardness would alternate between increasing hardness and
> soak. I have /never/ heard the interpretation that a Lunar can push his
> hardness /above/ his soak, until James wrote a long post about it.

*shrugs* My reading is that Lunars just plain can't benefit from more than
24 points of soak - twelve go to natural soak, twelve to hardness, and
anything more is wasted. It strikes me as odd that Lunars actually have a
*lower* cap on defensive mojo than other Exalts despite having far superior
soak-boosting Charms, but there you have it.

- Sir Bob.
 
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James Stein declared:

> I shall take you under my wing, my son.

... and proceeded to post an excellent how-to manual on how to beat ass
with a Lunar. Take a bow, James. You done good.

However, I must take a moment to complain that while Lunars are /death/
in clinches, they are not so hot in non-clinching Brawl or Melee--
especially given that they pay more for Charms than any other Celestial.
I would still like to see this remedied; Lunars should have more combat
options than "grab you and hug you to death."
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David Prokopetz wrote:

>
> (And then there's the fact that Lunars being so much less powerful than
> Solars just doesn't square with the flavour text that's attached to them,
> but that's an entirely different issue.)

Depends whether or not you think that Lunars were meant to be at the
Solars' sides in *all* combat, or just supposed to go out and push
around the mortals and occasional terrestrial.

'Cause they *can* push around mortals and the occasional terrestrial.
I'm fairly confident I can make a DB-breaking Lunar. ... Of course, then
again, I can make a DB-breaking *mortal*, so that's not saying much...
 
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James Stein <JamesSpamtein@si.rr.com> wrote in message news:<W4Dgc.23344$mX.7429852@twister.nyc.rr.com>...
> David Prokopetz wrote:
>
> >
> > (And then there's the fact that Lunars being so much less powerful than
> > Solars just doesn't square with the flavour text that's attached to them,
> > but that's an entirely different issue.)
>
> Depends whether or not you think that Lunars were meant to be at the
> Solars' sides in *all* combat, or just supposed to go out and push
> around the mortals and occasional terrestrial.

Either way, it *does* quite explicitly say they're supposed to be
bigger and badder than the Sidereals in a fight - yet how easy is it
to build a Lunar-stomping Sidereal? Not very tough, in my experience;
Sidereals have a never-fail parry as a buy-in Charm (with no Willpower
cost, no less) which renders all of the Lunars' nifty
dice-pool-tweaking charms irrelevant (sure, it's not a "perfect"
defense, but Lunars have no unblockable/never-miss attacks), vastly
more favorable multiple-attack Charms, and a Chosen of Endings armed
with starmetal is going to rip through 12 hardness like it was
nothing. And that's just a starting character. Throw in any
advancement at all, and the fact that Sidereals have cheaper Charms
and increase Essence at the same rate as Solars means more tactical
options and a bigger Essence pool than any equivalent Lunar as well.

(Let's not even talk about Sidereal Martial Arts, eh?)

- Sir Bob.
 
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> My complaint is that Lunars often feel like the bastard half-brother of
> the Celestials. In particular, the source material seemed to hint that
> they were a close second to the Solars, and definitely superior to the
> Sidereals, who were the least combative. Instead I find that a PC-level
> Sidereal of reasonable XP can hand a Lunar his ass. And then there are
> mechanical contrivances like "Lunars pay 50% more than Solars and 36%
> more than Sidereals for Charms" and "Lunars have an inexplicable
> inability to learn Sidereal Martial Arts and cannot get Favored Ability
> discounts on Martial Arts Charms." Though I am sure the developers had
> reasons for making decisions like this, they feel like irrational
penalties.


> My complaint is that Lunars often feel like the bastard half-brother of
> the Celestials. In particular, the source material seemed to hint that
> they were a close second to the Solars, and definitely superior to the
> Sidereals, who were the least combative. Instead I find that a PC-level
> Sidereal of reasonable XP can hand a Lunar his ass. And then there are
> mechanical contrivances like "Lunars pay 50% more than Solars and 36%
> more than Sidereals for Charms" and "Lunars have an inexplicable
> inability to learn Sidereal Martial Arts and cannot get Favored Ability
> discounts on Martial Arts Charms." Though I am sure the developers had
> reasons for making decisions like this, they feel like irrational
penalties.

Agreed. Further, by contrivance of the setting, there's no reasonable way
any Solar can learn Sidereal level Martial Arts, much less a Lunar.

Nuh uh, not in my game. In my setting, the Sidereals, Solars and Lunars
jointly developed the advanced Martial Arts styles, and young Lunars have
their own 1st Age Elders to go on pilgrimage to for these earth shaking
secrets.

But then, my Exalted setting is hardly canonical, anyway.

I'm not sure how comfortable I am with giving Lunars the same XP as Solars.
The ability to rapidly progress is a Solar strength.

CB
 
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Groovelord wrote:
>>My complaint is that Lunars often feel like the bastard half-brother of
>>the Celestials. In particular, the source material seemed to hint that
>>they were a close second to the Solars, and definitely superior to the
>>Sidereals, who were the least combative. Instead I find that a PC-level
>>Sidereal of reasonable XP can hand a Lunar his ass. And then there are
>>mechanical contrivances like "Lunars pay 50% more than Solars and 36%
>>more than Sidereals for Charms" and "Lunars have an inexplicable
>>inability to learn Sidereal Martial Arts and cannot get Favored Ability
>>discounts on Martial Arts Charms." Though I am sure the developers had
>>reasons for making decisions like this, they feel like irrational
>> penalties.
>
> Agreed. Further, by contrivance of the setting, there's no reasonable way
> any Solar can learn Sidereal level Martial Arts, much less a Lunar.

I am actually pretty okay with that. Sidereal Martial Arts are an ace
in the hole for the Chosen of the Maidens; why would they give away such
a powerful advantage? And, of course, should you decide that you want to
introduce Sidereal Martial Arts to your Solars or Abyssals game, there
are a variety of story ways to do so, ranging from "a Gold Faction elder
wants to use you as a tool against the Bronze Faction" to "grab a
Sidereal and use magic to make him teach you."

There is a big difference between "nobody will teach you this" and "you
are inherently incapable of learning this."

> Nuh uh, not in my game. In my setting, the Sidereals, Solars and Lunars
> jointly developed the advanced Martial Arts styles, and young Lunars have
> their own 1st Age Elders to go on pilgrimage to for these earth shaking
> secrets.
>
> But then, my Exalted setting is hardly canonical, anyway.
>
> I'm not sure how comfortable I am with giving Lunars the same XP as Solars.
> The ability to rapidly progress is a Solar strength.

I do not suggest that Lunars pay the SAME XP costs as Solars, but the
current prices do seem rather high.
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Richard Clayton wrote:

> > I'm not sure how comfortable I am with giving Lunars the same XP as Solars.
> > The ability to rapidly progress is a Solar strength.
>
> I do not suggest that Lunars pay the SAME XP costs as Solars, but the
> current prices do seem rather high.

This would not even be so bad, except that they have *so* many
*redundant* charms, as well as such *massive* cascades.

I mean, to make a Lunar that can whomp on some *mooks* ---and--- still
have some tracking and survival ability is *beyond* the scope of a
starting character sheet.

Why? Those are supposed to be the specific niches that all lunars are
supposed to be able to fit into, before anything else is taken care of.
I can make a mook-killing uber-survivor Solar and still have a handful
of charm slots left over. Ditto goes for the Sidereals.
 
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Richard Clayton wrote:

> > I'm not sure how comfortable I am with giving Lunars the same XP as Solars.
> > The ability to rapidly progress is a Solar strength.
>
> I do not suggest that Lunars pay the SAME XP costs as Solars, but the
> current prices do seem rather high.
> --

You know, even Alchemicals kick lunars' asses.

Lunars get their big XP break on 3 stats; and with the way lunars get
their big stat spread, that's - at best - 3 dots that you're buying.
Even so far back as ToT, the designers realized that giving you an XP
break on only 3 stats was bullshit, and gave Alchemicals like ... what
was it... 6 stats to favor?

I *will* sit down and fix Lunars one day, charm by charm, rule by rule.

I have drugs and free time. You know it'll happen.

Just not today. 'Cause I have home-schooling today.

And even so, I wrote up 5 CS's today - a twinked out circle of Abyssals,
with which to conquer Creation. (Specifically twinked out to conquer
Creation.)
 
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"James Stein" <JamesSpamtein@si.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Richard Clayton wrote:
>
> > > I'm not sure how comfortable I am with giving Lunars the same XP as
Solars.
> > > The ability to rapidly progress is a Solar strength.
> >
> > I do not suggest that Lunars pay the SAME XP costs as Solars, but
the
> > current prices do seem rather high.
> > --
>
> You know, even Alchemicals kick lunars' asses.
>
> Lunars get their big XP break on 3 stats; and with the way lunars get
> their big stat spread, that's - at best - 3 dots that you're buying.
> Even so far back as ToT, the designers realized that giving you an XP
> break on only 3 stats was bullshit, and gave Alchemicals like ... what
> was it... 6 stats to favor?
>
> I *will* sit down and fix Lunars one day, charm by charm, rule by rule.
>
> I have drugs and free time. You know it'll happen.
>
> Just not today. 'Cause I have home-schooling today.
>
> And even so, I wrote up 5 CS's today - a twinked out circle of Abyssals,
> with which to conquer Creation. (Specifically twinked out to conquer
> Creation.)
>
>

Where did you get this info on Alchemicals? I want it?...lol Must be able
to make cool war golem guys!!!...need....tooo.....great!!!

Still gotta say I love Lunars and don't find them under powered, but then
again I haven't spent ANY time trying to strickly run numbers on their
stats, charms,...etc. Didn't one of the books state that Sidereal exalted
always have been and always will be the LEAST numerous of the celestial
exalted, wich to me means that less of them have to do the same as more of
others. This to me leads to, you must be able to squeeze more power out of
individual sidereal than say, and individual Lunar. Plus, a ton of their
power is very inderect from my skimming of the book. Anyways, since it
seems the vast majority hate the Lunars either because they seem too limited
in concept (not true at all IMO) or they aren't filled to the brim with
cheap charmy goodness (to me not a problem, though perhaps this trend is why
the Dragon blooded are so damn popular, their cheap bastards..lol); I'll not
argue this anymore. Solars Rule, Lunars Rule, hell...I hate the Dragon
Blooded, but even they are really cool...though primarily as antagonists in
my games. Abyssals rule too....but in a very dark and evil way. Some day
I'll gather together my varrious gaming buddies and tell them to make some
Abyssals cause its to to rape and pillage creation, and we'll just go on an
innoccent killing sprea..lol.

Jesse
 
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"James Stein" <JamesSpamtein@si.rr.com> wrote in message
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> They're filled with several redundant charms, the majority of which are
> speedbump charms. There is no reason to have *two* charms that *both*
> boost your Dex+Brawl pool for 1 mote/piece, in two different branches of
> the same Unarmed Combat tree. None. No reason. Essentially the same
> charm. Twice. *At* inflated XP costs.

Not to mention stuff like "THIS unarmed combat Charm gives you extra attacks
at three motes per, but it also costs Willpower, you're limited to your
initiative divided by three rounded down worth of extra attacks, and you
can't make more EXTRA attacks than your Essence; meanwhile, meanwhile, THIS
unarmed combat Charm give you extra attacks at three motes per, and has no
Willpower cost, but all your attacks have to strike the same target, your
damage is always considered bashing even if it isn't normally, and you can't
make more TOTAL attacks than your Essence"... oy. 😵;

- Sir Bob.
 
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"James Stein"

> No, they're not. Not completely. But it's the writer's fault for making
> it *seem* that way - and the writer *does*. If you read the Storytelling
> chapter, you'll note a whole lot of "Don't do this, this, this, or
> this," without any real "*Do* this." So there's a lot of "They're not
> just barbarians!" Without any non-barbarian concepts being put forward.
> You can't blame readers for reading the book the way that they do.

One of the first rules of directing: when you're on the set, refrain from
using (as in, don't ever use) negative language. Not that you can't be
negative about things, but don't use words like "Never" and "Don't". You're
there to create a positive environment for the cast and crew. You're there
to encourage. I feel that the storytelling aspect of RPGs has the same
burden.

> Or, to paraphrase a previous conversation with Malcolm Sheppard,
> Malcolm: "I'm not here for you to *get it*."
> Me: "Yes. You are."

Storytellers, or people who help give tools to the storyteller, have an
INCREDIBLE responsibility. Which, sadly, more often than not leaves me with
the "So you just want to write for first edition DnD then, don't you?" taste
in my mouth from some people.
 
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Shane Graves wrote:

> "James Stein"
>
>
>>No, they're not. Not completely. But it's the writer's fault for making
>>it *seem* that way - and the writer *does*. If you read the Storytelling
>>chapter, you'll note a whole lot of "Don't do this, this, this, or
>>this," without any real "*Do* this." So there's a lot of "They're not
>>just barbarians!" Without any non-barbarian concepts being put forward.
>>You can't blame readers for reading the book the way that they do.
>
> One of the first rules of directing: when you're on the set, refrain from
> using (as in, don't ever use) negative language. Not that you can't be
> negative about things, but don't use words like "Never" and "Don't". You're
> there to create a positive environment for the cast and crew. You're there
> to encourage. I feel that the storytelling aspect of RPGs has the same
> burden.

I think I shall incorporate that in my mental list of rules for
storytelling. Thank you!

>>Or, to paraphrase a previous conversation with Malcolm Sheppard,
>>Malcolm: "I'm not here for you to *get it*."
>>Me: "Yes. You are."
>
>
> Storytellers, or people who help give tools to the storyteller, have an
> INCREDIBLE responsibility. Which, sadly, more often than not leaves me with
> the "So you just want to write for first edition DnD then, don't you?" taste
> in my mouth from some people.

Heh. I know what you mean...
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Shane Graves wrote:

> One of the first rules of directing: when you're on the set, refrain from
> using (as in, don't ever use) negative language. Not that you can't be
> negative about things, but don't use words like "Never" and "Don't". You're
> there to create a positive environment for the cast and crew. You're there
> to encourage. I feel that the storytelling aspect of RPGs has the same
> burden.

Ah.

This helps with the understanding of something.
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"Stephenls"
> Shane Graves wrote:

> > One of the first rules of directing: when you're on the set, refrain
from
> > using (as in, don't ever use) negative language. Not that you can't be
> > negative about things, but don't use words like "Never" and "Don't".
You're
> > there to create a positive environment for the cast and crew. You're
there
> > to encourage. I feel that the storytelling aspect of RPGs has the same
> > burden.

> Ah.

> This helps with the understanding of something.

Oh?
 
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Shane Graves wrote:

> Oh?

It concerns a discussion I had regarding Nephipal recently on the
Exalted forum. It doesn't make much sense out of context, but
essentially you just backed me up.
--
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Stephenls wrote:
>
> Shane Graves wrote:
>
> > One of the first rules of directing: when you're on the set, refrain from
> > using (as in, don't ever use) negative language. Not that you can't be
> > negative about things, but don't use words like "Never" and "Don't". You're
> > there to create a positive environment for the cast and crew. You're there
> > to encourage. I feel that the storytelling aspect of RPGs has the same
> > burden.
>
> Ah.
>
> This helps with the understanding of something.

Could you vague that up a lot less?

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Stephenls wrote:
>
> Shane Graves wrote:
>
> > Oh?
>
> It concerns a discussion I had regarding Nephipal recently on the
> Exalted forum. It doesn't make much sense out of context, but
> essentially you just backed me up.

In general terms, I agree with you on that discussion. Neph is a good
writer, but there's no need to close any barn doors.

Neph's not the only writer whose instincts go that way, though. It's a
standard way to write RPGs, and so quite a few do that. Some do it more
than others, and Neph is *mostly* okay. He could have, with the Abyssal
die-adder and die-subtracter for Melee, made one a turn-length charm to
explicitly prevent combos. Instead of doubling the cost for comboing
them.

For example.

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Stephenls wrote:

> Shane Graves wrote:
>
> > Oh?
>
> It concerns a discussion I had regarding Nephipal recently on the
> Exalted forum. It doesn't make much sense out of context, but
> essentially you just backed me up.
>

Which discussion is this?

I can't keep up with the White Wolf forums. They're just so ...
inconveniently designed. I usually wait for the handy stuff to end up on
ThusSpakeNephilpal, but arguments with Stephen don't usually make it
there, though they're better than the rest of the tripe that ends up on
the forums.
 
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James Stein wrote:

> Which discussion is this?

I was reading the rules for Half-Castes, which Neph wrote, and noticed
that the ruling on mixed-breeds is "No you can't do that." Then
somebody asked if Deathlords could sire ghost-blooded children, and Neph
posted a message that basically amounted to "No you can't do that."

This lead me to become concerned, so I posted about it. The actual
argument with Neph wasn't an argument as such, as he was offline for the
two days the thread lasted before it hit 75 posts.

Basically, what came out of it is that I'm not a big Neph fan anymore.
When he did reply, he made it fairly plain that he plans to continue
putting "No you can't do that" rulings in the material he writes, which
has me unhappy, since he's working on both Fair Folk and Alchemicals,
but ultimately my opinion is not as important as Geoff's.
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James Stein wrote:
> Stephenls wrote:
>
>>Shane Graves wrote:
>>
>>>Oh?
>>
>>It concerns a discussion I had regarding Nephipal recently on the
>>Exalted forum. It doesn't make much sense out of context, but
>>essentially you just backed me up.
>
> Which discussion is this?
>
> I can't keep up with the White Wolf forums. They're just so ...
> inconveniently designed. I usually wait for the handy stuff to end up on
> ThusSpakeNephilpal, but arguments with Stephen don't usually make it
> there, though they're better than the rest of the tripe that ends up on
> the forums.

I don't like most webforums either. I am spoiled by usenet; I want
threading and an easy way to distinguish viewed posts from new posts.
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Stephenls wrote:
>
> Basically, what came out of it is that I'm not a big Neph fan anymore.
> When he did reply, he made it fairly plain that he plans to continue
> putting "No you can't do that" rulings in the material he writes, which
> has me unhappy, since he's working on both Fair Folk and Alchemicals,
> but ultimately my opinion is not as important as Geoff's.

There's also no real need for "no, you can't do that" rulings in
Exalted, as it's supposed to be unabashedly power-gaming in mechanical
terms.

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Julie d'Aubigny wrote:

> There's also no real need for "no, you can't do that" rulings in
> Exalted, as it's supposed to be unabashedly power-gaming in mechanical
> terms.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID!

He was all like "No mixed breed God-Bloods. Do you want another Sam
Haigh situation?" And /I/ was all like "Er, yeah. Duh. Exalted,
remember?"
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