far cry patch 1.2 performance major boost for nV

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excuse me the link doesn't work?

Thought so you are a lieing sob.


There are many ways to show profits disappears, a c-corporation is a corporation that is open to the public for trading which is what nV is. Now federal tax for a c-corp at its highest bracket is 35%, not to forget state income tax, which is varied by Calafornia (which is nV headquarters) is around another 20%, don't know the exact figures but total state and federal is 50% or around there. But this isn't all if money is withdrawn as salaries there is personal income tax to pay. Now when we have gross profits at the end of the fiscal year it is very advisable to reinvest the money in r&d or pay salaries in terms of bonuses, or what ever means possiable to get around taxes.

With a C-corp this can only be done up to a certain point. Because of public stock holders. Now this money that is left over is net profits. And this money is double taxed.

So again you don't know the differences of tax vs. net and gross profits. Yes nV had a 2 billion dollar a year gross profits about 1.5 to 1.8 billion of that was reinvested or disributed one way or the other. I have a good amount of shares in both nV and ATi and follow them regularly during times of card release.

Your link states that you lie since the post isn't there.

wtf man you are bs.

First you double talk, then you misrepressent information then lie and say I said something and when asked to show it, its a bad link?

you are pathetic
 
If it only shows performance increases in small select portions of the game, then it's limited in it's impact on performance.
Here is the increase(SM2.0 vs SM3.0) in Shadermark2.1:
<A HREF="http://www.reflectonreality.com/images/nv40/sm30chart.gif" target="_new">Shadermark2.1 test</A>
Total average:
SM2.0 290
SM3.0 202
An increase of 21.2%
Not to shabby in my book? :)

And Tomshardware has just tested Farcry 1.1 vs 1.2
<A HREF="http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040705/index.html" target="_new">Fardcry test</A>
In most cases the 6800 does BETTER in SM3.0 than SM2.0
I quote Lars:

NVIDIA and Crytek have shown that SM 3.0 can indeed lead to performance improvements over an SM 2.0 implementation. This conclusion flies in the face of what ATi has been preaching for the last few months.
And:

Turning the flashlight on costs the GeForce 6800 Ultra much less performance (9%) than the X800 XT PE (18%).
(In the Demo: Cooler, Flash light ON)
This shows one of the benifits SM3.0 has over SM2.0, the ability to do per pixel lighting in one single pass.

So is your claim that SM3.0 dosn't have an(I give you at current time a small)advantage over SM2.0?
If not, I would like to se test or otherwise to back your claim up, allthough not said that I don't take your word to be true, it's just that "proff" speaks louder than <A HREF="http://www.reflectonreality.com/images/fcsm30/sm30.jpg" target="_new">words</A> :wink:

And since you seem to a be person who go into depths with thing, I have added an bonus for you :smile:
It's a small quiz called:
<b>Find the missing objects in ATi rendering(nVidia vs. ATi)</b>

TEST 1:
<A HREF="http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/nvidia/farcrysm3/volcanoati.jpg" target="_new">Ati</A> vs <A HREF="http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/nvidia/farcrysm3/volcanonv.jpg" target="_new"> nVidia </A>
Hint: Woodpecker :smile:

TEST 2:
<A HREF="http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/nvidia/farcrysm3/volcanoati.jpg" target="_new">Ati</A> vs <A HREF="http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/nvidia/farcrysm3/volcanonv.jpg" target="_new">nVidia</A>
HINT: Call a friend, side of gun, box upper right corner...

You wanna defend that with same dedication, as you call people names? :smile:

Terracide...

Don't pretend - BE!
 
you're right, Lar's did a nice review of the differences of sm 3.0 and 2.0.

Also it shows over all the gt is a great card for the money
 
why did you delete that post? because your the one whos lieing , i remember seeing it because i was argueing with you at the time in that thread

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I didn't delete any of my posts the only time I mentioned the fx line was the difference between the performance boost was there but not much. And I think that was a post where scottchen was asking about it. And scottchen said yes minium frame rates changed for the fx line. Also I said this a while back there was a good chance that the fp 16 path which is now defualt for the fx line will hurt it.

Up to the 61.12 drivers there was a performance increase for the fx line and dx9c helps all cards just not cards with sm 3.0 which was also mentioned in a earlier post but me. And this might be the one we were talking about.
 
How come they didn't bechmark at 1600x1200? And why no 8X AF? Those are the setting most people with 6800U's and x800xt's are gonna play at, right?
 
nono, i seen the post with my own two eyes, and i went back through the thread and now its gone


only you, and Fredi have the ability to make it disappear

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Well I couldn't find the last two days, when I searched for it. whey did you look for it?

And there was another one with the 61.12 post, when we discussed about them.

Have to find that one now though.


Also keep in mind I asked grape when to show me what I said? and he never linked it till today.
 
That was my thoughts as well. 4X AF? and no 1600x1200? It did show the differences between SM2 and 3 and what patch 1.2 does. But no mention about how the ATI cards took a performace hit from v1.1. I would have like to have seen patch 1.1 scores for both cards, as well as 1600x1200 and 4X/8X.

Maybe wasn't what they were trying to show, but would have been a more thorough and useful review and better compared all the current cards.



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ok why in the hell would Grape post a false link to make himself look stupid when you two are obviously taking this arguement seriously .. you think he pulled that URL out of his as$? actually, when has Grape EVER posted a dead url


that on top of the fact that i claerly remember the post myself..

ive been reading Grapes posts for well over a year, and have talked with him much and hes definately NOT a liar, he has proven integrity .. so when i see your post magically gone, when it obviously benifits you , well, its obvious whats going on here

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well I could careless, he is bold face liar. And I proved my point. He doubled talked against me. he said my information was incorrect how many times? and now he lied its just a logical progress of a sociopath.


I have been saying this for at least a month now. Not like I would expect him to try this to me. I think he is just trying to be an ass. And for you seeing hte post, you might just be thinking it was there.
 
excuse me the link doesn't work?
<b>Because you deleted the post!</b>

You must have been really desperate, and you call ME a lying SOB! Man you take the cake, truly!

I thought you'd try something like this when I first posted the quote, I thought you'd search it and delete it yourself, so <A HREF="http://img33.exs.cx/img33/2617/ENTIUM_FXDX9C.jpg" target="_new">I saved the quote</A> along with others. I thought it might disappear then, but it wouldn't matter as it wasn't the crux of the thread initially, so I focused on saving the other quotes more.

<b>Now that I have done what you seemed incapable of doing by leading you right to your own post post, You DELETE it to try and save face! And you have the GALL to call me the Liar!</b>

I'm sure anyone involved with the thread will remember it.

Your link states that you lie since the post isn't there.
No my old link proved you were BS'ing, now <A HREF="http://img33.exs.cx/img33/2617/ENTIUM_FXDX9C.jpg" target="_new">my link (which you can't delete)</A> proves that it was there and you deleted it to try and save face, you spineless chicken!

<b><font color=red>You are the biggest F'in Liar-Troll to ever frequent this or any other forum.</b></font color=red>

Talk about Pathetic, you define and embody the word.

<A HREF="http://img33.exs.cx/img33/2617/ENTIUM_FXDX9C.jpg" target="_new">Screenie of Entium's original post for those of you who missed it</A>

<A HREF="http://www.lifeisajoke.com/Pictures/head_up_ass.jpg" target="_new">Picture of Entium using his Head the only way he knows how !</A>


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Is this a made up picture? you are a digital artist now you are really getting pathetic. wouldn't even be suprised you were making this thing for the last 2 days, because thats when I asked you the first time to post a link.
 
you just edited THAT post as well, and unchecked "mark as edited"


how do i know? because i just hit reply and then came back because the post didnt go thru and seen the changes

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entium your full of crap totally

edit: JESUS you just edited AGAIN


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It took him 2 days to post a link, which he didn't do a direct quote for.

Thats pathetic, when I asked him a second time he gives a bad link , then makes a picture so it seems that way.

man you really take the cake.
 
you changed the whole post completely

oringlaly you said "is this post real?" or something ot that effect, so again you are caught lieing

and again <b>i seen it with my own two eyes, you cant lie to me and think that i am going to believe you pos</b>
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<A HREF="http://www.subhi.com/keyboard.jpg" target="_new">This is you, interweb junky</A><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by phial on 07/05/04 11:45 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
yes the first post; is that a made up post? you are a digital artist right? what took you so long to link it.

I had a type on digital which was digittal

Grape your as bad a politician that gets coughts.

The funny thing is he added your name to the post only after you raised your voice? Why didn't he show the picture earlier? like 5 hours ago.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by entium on 07/05/04 11:51 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
well I could careless, he is bold face liar. And I proved my point.
You proved nothing, EVER!

Well I couldn't find the last two days, when I searched for it. whey did you look for it?

And there was another one with the 61.12 post, when we discussed about them.

Have to find that one now though.
To help you find it I've posted a link, and I've also provided the screenies in conjunction with them, just in case they magically disappear.

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=402316#402316" target="_new">First a link to the second quote</A>

Now the screenies of that same page in case it Magically disappears;

<A HREF="http://img33.exs.cx/img33/1710/ENTIUM1.jpg" target="_new">First to the quote</A>
<A HREF="http://img33.exs.cx/img33/7797/ENTIUM2.jpg" target="_new">Then to the thread</A>

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=402345#402345" target="_new">Link to the third quote</A>

and of course the screenies in case something terrible should befall the link again;

<A HREF="http://img33.exs.cx/img33/183/ENTIUM3.jpg" target="_new">Now the post</A>
<A HREF="http://img33.exs.cx/img33/1351/ENTIUM4.jpg" target="_new">And it's place in the thread</A>

Now even if you try to delete those, there will be another permanent record of them.


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you think he could photoshop that form the time that i posted? that would be impossible, especially to remove any obvious editing marking and to make it look identical to the actual forums




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ya want to bet? I could do it. It took him 2 days to do it. not 5 mins. After knowing the font size its easy.
all he needed was 5 mins to add in your name which is a joke to do. He already had the picture from before. and the quote, who knows whos name was there before.
 
wow Grape, you photoshopped those screenshots and it only took you a total of 5 minutes!

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<b> Pure and simple you're a bold-faced liar.</b>

I dind't delay, as soon as I found a site to host the bigger picture I wrote my reply. The ONLY delay I had was contacting the Administrators here.

You Lie constantly, I've proved that on many occasions, and right now you're simply spewing the BS to fill the hole you've dug for yourself.

Interesting you were never able to figure out how to posta 3Dmark to even demonstrate anything, even after everyone tried to help you (except you had no intention of EVER posting anything concrete).

Post whatever you want, say you are/own/have seen whatever you want, but it's all LIES. And I doubt anyone will believe you now.


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