phial
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you think we are doing this for enjoyment? to pass the time or something?
i hate posting like this, id MUCH rather be leveling my sorceror in my current mmorpg like i ususally do at this time of night, but im not going to let you try to make a mockery of someone i respect as much as Grape
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i hate posting like this, id MUCH rather be leveling my sorceror in my current mmorpg like i ususally do at this time of night, but im not going to let you try to make a mockery of someone i respect as much as Grape
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TheGreatGrapeApe
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This is a form letter reply for the rest of your posts. because really you're now just a waste of time.
<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=406134#406134" target="_new"><b>Entium is a TROLLING LIAR!</b></A>
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<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=406134#406134" target="_new"><b>Entium is a TROLLING LIAR!</b></A>
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TheGreatGrapeApe
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I'll try tomorrow, I really haven't had a chance look at your post, I've been a little distraced as you may have guessed. :lol:
If it's a genuine question, I'll look at it tomorrow during a break in my day.
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If it's a genuine question, I'll look at it tomorrow during a break in my day.
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entium, you said you made a photoshopped one? Could you go to one of those no register hosting sites and host it and post the link? I would like to see it, how good it is, and others might want to also. Here is some-
http://imagehost.5gigs.com/ -500k max
http://yourpic.net/ -700k max
No registration on either.
"This means that you can play over a network, just not with each other."-PC GAMER review<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by gobeavers on 07/06/04 00:51 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
http://imagehost.5gigs.com/ -500k max
http://yourpic.net/ -700k max
No registration on either.
"This means that you can play over a network, just not with each other."-PC GAMER review<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by gobeavers on 07/06/04 00:51 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
<A HREF="http://yourpic.net/index.php?action=show&id=ydnh4js9yc&showresized=no[/url" target="_new">
Original picture
http://yourpic.net/index.php?action=show&id=ydnh4js9yc&showresized=no]http://yourpic.net/index.php?action=show&id=w1e9jm9fgn&showresized=no]http://yourpic.net/index.php?action=show&id=ydnh4js9yc&showresized=no</A>
Original picture
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I'm not that great with photo editing this took me 5 mins. but its not hard to change something like a screenshot like this. Its all cut and paste actaully, I didnt' do anything special. Probably can do it in Paint thats how easy it is
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by entium on 07/06/04 01:12 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
Original picture
http://yourpic.net/index.php?action=show&id=ydnh4js9yc&showresized=no]http://yourpic.net/index.php?action=show&id=w1e9jm9fgn&showresized=no]http://yourpic.net/index.php?action=show&id=ydnh4js9yc&showresized=no</A>
Original picture
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I'm not that great with photo editing this took me 5 mins. but its not hard to change something like a screenshot like this. Its all cut and paste actaully, I didnt' do anything special. Probably can do it in Paint thats how easy it is
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by entium on 07/06/04 01:12 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
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TheGreatGrapeApe
It was a genuie question, with links to back the question up, no name calling, although I made a comment that seems almost psychic :-S *L*
But take your time, would rather have a well thourght answer, than a "flame" one
Terracide...
Don't pretend - BE!
It was a genuie question, with links to back the question up, no name calling, although I made a comment that seems almost psychic :-S *L*
But take your time, would rather have a well thourght answer, than a "flame" one
Terracide...
Don't pretend - BE!
@SlothBoy
The Farcry config menu does not allow to set hiher AF levels than 4x. Due to the adaptive and angle optimized AF of the card it does´nt matter much anyways. There are only a few areas which get higher sampling than 4x (on both, ATI and NV). If I force AF by control panel, the ATI is using the stage optimization and I would have to change the settings for the NV driver as well. Enabling AF by the application is the best way.
Not using 16x12 was a matter of time. As I noted in the article I needed to run each test 5 times to get propper and persistant results. Since I also included the slower cards it took really long to get all the numbers. 16x12 just took way too long. I also think it´s still too much if you look at the min FPS even at 12x10. I did not post the min FPS because they were not very consistent.
Lars - THG
The Farcry config menu does not allow to set hiher AF levels than 4x. Due to the adaptive and angle optimized AF of the card it does´nt matter much anyways. There are only a few areas which get higher sampling than 4x (on both, ATI and NV). If I force AF by control panel, the ATI is using the stage optimization and I would have to change the settings for the NV driver as well. Enabling AF by the application is the best way.
Not using 16x12 was a matter of time. As I noted in the article I needed to run each test 5 times to get propper and persistant results. Since I also included the slower cards it took really long to get all the numbers. 16x12 just took way too long. I also think it´s still too much if you look at the min FPS even at 12x10. I did not post the min FPS because they were not very consistent.
Lars - THG
TheGreatGrapeApe
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Ok, just taking a quick check during lunch. I'll se what I can address in about 5 mins.
After having read your initial post I think you misunderstand what was my area of contention with entium's 'arguments', and it's not to say that SM3.0 doesn't have an effect, just that certain statements don't match the facts, and the realityu is SM3.0 didn't enter that equation until later. At issue is not is there improvement, it's more about how much that slight improvement in one game right now, affects the landscape.
), it's a good increase, but remember it's a benchmark and meant to always be stressing the card as much as it can. Games on the other hand have different areas of load, and that's what I was talking about, if you see only select areas of increase which was the case in some game test, then it may be the select few instances that the nV selected tests are focusing on, whereas global increase may be limited even within the game itself. There are obvious areas, but looking at the myriad of reviews the advanatage is not global, as there are still areas where the increase is minor because the benifit of branching and such have limited impact for the scene.
However at the same time sometimes the biggest boost comes from the patch itself from what I've seen (and posted elsewhere in the forum), as some reviewers have disected the impact into DX9.0c, Patch 1.2, and then running SM2.0 v SM3.0.
With regards to Shadermark it would've been nice to see them compared to the ATIs <A HREF="http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/135/14/" target="_new">like Guru did</A>, but it's not improtant to the boost, just how it relates to the performance of the competition, which was at the crux of some of the sattements made by some people.
As for the image rendering issues/quiz, many people have noticed the negative impact of the patch on ATIs, a good example is at <A HREF="http://www.driverheaven.net/articles/farcrypatch/" target="_new">DriverHeaven</A>, which mentions that the patch took ATI's IQ from spot on to terrible. The question arises, as they say, how did CryTek/UBI let that slip through?
Anywhoo, gotta go eat, hope that covers it.
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After having read your initial post I think you misunderstand what was my area of contention with entium's 'arguments', and it's not to say that SM3.0 doesn't have an effect, just that certain statements don't match the facts, and the realityu is SM3.0 didn't enter that equation until later. At issue is not is there improvement, it's more about how much that slight improvement in one game right now, affects the landscape.
You,re right (except that you mis-transposed the numbers it's 303 for SM3.0 not 202An increase of 21.2%
Not to shabby in my book?
), it's a good increase, but remember it's a benchmark and meant to always be stressing the card as much as it can. Games on the other hand have different areas of load, and that's what I was talking about, if you see only select areas of increase which was the case in some game test, then it may be the select few instances that the nV selected tests are focusing on, whereas global increase may be limited even within the game itself. There are obvious areas, but looking at the myriad of reviews the advanatage is not global, as there are still areas where the increase is minor because the benifit of branching and such have limited impact for the scene.However at the same time sometimes the biggest boost comes from the patch itself from what I've seen (and posted elsewhere in the forum), as some reviewers have disected the impact into DX9.0c, Patch 1.2, and then running SM2.0 v SM3.0.
With regards to Shadermark it would've been nice to see them compared to the ATIs <A HREF="http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/135/14/" target="_new">like Guru did</A>, but it's not improtant to the boost, just how it relates to the performance of the competition, which was at the crux of some of the sattements made by some people.
No and far from it, in fact the opposite. My claim is that what you are seeing is mostly nVidia selected examples of it's impact, and that the overall impact may be far less, and even somewhat limited, the more custom demos that are being included in other reviews the more it becomes apparaent that while it does have a boost, the impact can often be very limited. The question from me was the overall impact to the entire game/experience. Once the visual effects get boosted that may have a far more 'overall' effect than this, that's more the point.
As for the image rendering issues/quiz, many people have noticed the negative impact of the patch on ATIs, a good example is at <A HREF="http://www.driverheaven.net/articles/farcrypatch/" target="_new">DriverHeaven</A>, which mentions that the patch took ATI's IQ from spot on to terrible. The question arises, as they say, how did CryTek/UBI let that slip through?
Anywhoo, gotta go eat, hope that covers it.
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TheGreatGrapeApe
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Interesting how another <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=405368#405368" target="_new">prediciton</A> didn't reflect <A HREF="http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjM1LDI=" target="_new">reality according to [H]</A>.
Who ever would have guessed?
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Who ever would have guessed?
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LOL!
I almost posted a link to this thread in your flame war thread. I though you'd find entertainment in it, but then I realized, you're a pretty busy man with that thread. :lol:
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I almost posted a link to this thread in your flame war thread. I though you'd find entertainment in it, but then I realized, you're a pretty busy man with that thread. :lol:
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TheGreatGrapeApe
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BTW, just be sure Sammy only edits your posts, and doesn't delete them.
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TheGreatGrapeApe
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Well I know that vindication is at hand.
Check <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=403373#403373" target="_new">the thread</A> again.
:lol:
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Check <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=403373#403373" target="_new">the thread</A> again.
:lol:
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Btw do you know the term profit could also be used as revenue? Profits are a broad term. Unless specifically stated net profits it is taken as gross proftis, which is also revnue.
C-corp is the standerd corporation for US=international corparations.
C-corp is the standerd corporation for US=international corparations.
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