News First AMD Strix Halo handheld gaming PC confirmed — GPD teases Ryzen AI Max+ 395 handheld in performance video

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GPD has teased an AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395-powered handheld.

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[gggplaya]

Glad I held off, this would be a game changer!!!

 

[atomicWAR]

I been waiting on a pc handheld spec'd this highly. Finally something with enough performance to get me to buy one. Z2 extreme was as low as I'd go....this should be better but I suspect crap battery life. I'll wait for reviews for sure on this one.

 

[rluker5]

This same model seems heavily restrained by cooling:

from: https://videocardz.com/newz/gpds-ga...en-ai-max-395-strix-halo-spotted-on-geekbench
My 13600k/B580 living room ITX beats it by a wide margin even though the respective silicon should have worse results:

And the most obvious difference is my ITX has ITX level air cooling while this thing has handheld level cooling.

It will still be the most potent handheld currently out by a lot, it just won't get 100% out of the Strix Halo chip. It should also be a suitable lower end desktop replacement when docked and the idle temps shouldn't be unusual compared to other Ryzen desktop chiplet CPUs.

 

[gggplaya]

I been waiting on a pc handheld spec'd this highly. Finally something with enough performance to get me to buy one. Z2 extreme was as low as I'd go....this should be better but I suspect crap battery life. I'll wait for reviews for sure on this one.

Yes, me too. Especially when I travel for business, I want to dock with a monitor or a tv, the performance of the current handhelds is typically at lower resolutions and quality. It's just not up to par with my standards.

 

[-Fran-]

This same model seems heavily restrained by cooling:

from: https://videocardz.com/newz/gpds-ga...en-ai-max-395-strix-halo-spotted-on-geekbench
My 13600k/B580 living room ITX beats it by a wide margin even though the respective silicon should have worse results:

And the most obvious difference is my ITX has ITX level air cooling while this thing has handheld level cooling.

It will still be the most potent handheld currently out by a lot, it just won't get 100% out of the Strix Halo chip. It should also be a suitable lower end desktop replacement when docked and the idle temps shouldn't be unusual compared to other Ryzen desktop chiplet CPUs.

Thanks for bringing up the obvious point: 30W at most for the cooling capabilities of the handhelds, unless they improve cooling by a lot, which would make hands really warm 😀

Also, battery life... Strix Halo looks thristy. Like... THIRSTY when pushing the graph cores.

Regards.

 

[Neilbob]

I know I'm a bit of a dinosaur, but is there really that much call for portable hand-held gaming systems such as these?

I suppose there must be, or else they wouldn't bother manufacturing them, but still... I don't quite get it.

Edit: then again, I'm basically tied to keyboards and mice these days, and I was never much good at the hand-held control systems. I clearly am not the target audience.

 

[kealii123]

This is going to be amazing!!!
...ly expensive. First $2k USD handheld .

>Thanks for bringing up the obvious point: 30W at most for the cooling capabilities of the handhelds
>my ITX has ITX level air cooling while this thing has handheld level cooling

if you read the article it says its running at 55 watts, which is about the best TDP to run the chip at for maximum GPU performance. It can go higher but that only improves CPU performance (see

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiHr8CQRZi4
)

If they can cool 55 watts handheld, then with an 80wh battery, standard for the newer 3rd party handhelds, you'll get a little over an hour. Realistically, with a 7" or smaller screen, you don't want/need the highest settings, resolutions, and even frame rates so running it at 30 watts will still give significant gains over existing handhelds (like double), and then save the 55 watts for when you're docked. That will give you better than PS5 graphics.


All that being said, i also wonder if they have an active cooling dock, like those Clevo water cooled laptops...

 

[Notton]

The rumors I heard were 65W to 85W, and detachable battery pack

So I assume they packed in more cooling where the battery would usually go, and the battery attaches... somewhere on the outside.

7" is a small screen. I would prefer 8" to 8.8" if it's going to be heavy and I have to place it on a desk.

 

[rluker5]

This is going to be amazing!!!
...ly expensive. First $2k USD handheld .

>Thanks for bringing up the obvious point: 30W at most for the cooling capabilities of the handhelds
>my ITX has ITX level air cooling while this thing has handheld level cooling

if you read the article it says its running at 55 watts, which is about the best TDP to run the chip at for maximum GPU performance. It can go higher but that only improves CPU performance (see

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiHr8CQRZi4
)

If they can cool 55 watts handheld, then with an 80wh battery, standard for the newer 3rd party handhelds, you'll get a little over an hour. Realistically, with a 7" or smaller screen, you don't want/need the highest settings, resolutions, and even frame rates so running it at 30 watts will still give significant gains over existing handhelds (like double), and then save the 55 watts for when you're docked. That will give you better than PS5 graphics.


All that being said, i also wonder if they have an active cooling dock, like those Clevo water cooled laptops...

That's a great video. My OC B580 only gets 9% more FPS (128.4) in CP2077 Steam deck settings with upscaling turned off as his 395 at 55w and I'm sure it is using a lot more power. On the other hand 55W really isn't realistic for a handheld. Some people say it is, but it is a lot sustained even in a laptop. Imagine what a phone could do with proportional cooling. And the 395 was only about 50% faster than the 370 (or 258v) at 25w and 720p native.

It all comes down to the cooling. That 395 embedded ITX motherboard featured on this site a day or two ago should be pretty nice, but I'd wait on a review for the handheld. I'm guessing GPD leaked the Timespy score they did for the reason to check if people were ok with that level of performance.

 

[thestryker]

I think the ideal SoC power point for handhelds performance is 15-20W (~25-30W total system power) which kneecaps Strix Halo. It's certainly still going to have better performance than one of the 16CU parts, but it's only going to be 20-30% faster despite having twice the bus width and 2.5x more CUs. I'd be surprised if moving to even a 192-bit bus on one of the 16CU parts didn't accomplish the same thing. At sufficient power levels Strix Halo is around double, or more, performance of these 16CU parts.

 

[aaron145165]

Looks like a fantastic handheld device for people who enjoy being tethered to a wall outlet.

 

[Amdlova]

Will be a hot potato

 

[Notton]

Looks like a fantastic handheld device for people who enjoy being tethered to a wall outlet.

Air planes have a 60W AC outlet these days.
Most regional and express trains have outlets.
Hotels have outlets.
Cafes, Bistros, and Lounges are hit and miss with outlets.
The only places where I haven't seen a wall outlet are local commuter trains/subways, and buses.

I would bring along an 8~10" android tablet anyways, as they are far better at battery life.

 

[gggplaya]

Air planes have a 60W AC outlet these days.
Most regional and express trains have outlets.
Hotels have outlets.
Cafes, Bistros, and Lounges are hit and miss with outlets.
The only places where I haven't seen a wall outlet are local commuter trains/subways, and buses.

I would bring along an 8~10" android tablet anyways, as they are far better at battery life.

As well as the Family car, 65watt USB Cigarette adapters are like $25. Grandma's house has outlets, as well as many waiting rooms. My brother works in a hospital and he plays his Legion Go while waiting in the staff lounge between surgeries.

 

[LuxZg]

I know I'm a bit of a dinosaur, but is there really that much call for portable hand-held gaming systems such as these?

I suppose there must be, or else they wouldn't bother manufacturing them, but still... I don't quite get it.

Edit: then again, I'm basically tied to keyboards and mice these days, and I was never much good at the hand-held control systems. I clearly am not the target audience.

Sort of dinosaur here as well... But with a different point of view. Past few years I had way too much time, specially at evenings, where my gaming would be deemed unwelcome by other family members. So I read stuff instead (phone/tablet), sometimes do some light Android gaming (like UnCiv on tablet instead proper Civilization on laptop/PC). If I had handheld, with headphones, I could probably have some fun gaming on couch or in bed.

Also, sort of answer to comments about battery, 98% of my playing would be next to outlet anyway. If it had an hour of battery, fine by me.

 

[_deXter_]

It's a pity it's only an RDNA3.5 and not 4, which means no FSR4, which would be a game changer for handhelds. Guess I'll hold off on getting one until they come out with RDNA4+.

 

[anscarlett]

hoping for a steamos version

 

[kealii123]

https://www.tomshardware.com/video-...-external-battery-or-be-plugged-into-the-wall

UPDATE 80wh battery, so ~90min of gaming at 55 watts