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So, THAT'S what your boyfriend looks like.
 



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Hurr hurr

the best insult that 3rd graders are capable of (or were you tring to see if i was taken or not?)
 


Since the four cores are on a single die, why not do a 4 MB unified cache and eliminate the L3 cache?
 


nice one :pt1cable: :pt1cable:

sounds like something sharidouche would use to fuel his AMD ego :lol: :lol:
 
Everyone likes to compare high-end to high-end, but quite some people dont understand comparison should be apples to apples, not apples to potatoes 😉 Its the same as was with 2900XT, no its not as good as 8800GTX/Ultra, but very competitive to its direct competition in similar price range - 8800 GTS 640.

So if Barcelona at launch (2GHz or similar) will be priced accordingly to whatever Xeon mid-end cpu, thats there comparison should be made. You can bash AMD for inability to produce cpu which dethrones the fastest Xeon, but not because it compares apples to apples.
 

You're looking from the price point, which is another perspective.

However, what if we look from the performance point of view? Barcelona will be 2.0Ghz at most. So AMD's fastest has to go against Intel's fastest, which is at 3.0Ghz at the moment. Sure, K10 2.0Ghz won't be as expensive as Xeon 3.0Ghz, but since Intel controls the top, Intel gets to set the price, where K10 has to follow.

If Intel decided to set their 2.33, or even 2.66 at 500 USD, AMD must set their K10 at that price range. The result? Lower ASP, and less resources to perfect the process for scaling.
 
Barcelona will be 2.0Ghz at most. So AMD's fastest has to go against Intel's fastest, which is at 3.0Ghz at the moment. Sure, K10 2.0Ghz won't be as expensive as Xeon 3.0Ghz, but since Intel controls the top, Intel gets to set the price, where K10 has to follow.
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Yep. It's quite funny seeing how many people are now backpedaling on the "mhz doesn't matter" stance since we are no longer in the a64/netburst era.
 
To me price point isn't as important as performance, thus Intel wins right now in my eyes. Of course, that is dependent on ones needs, so it is different for other people.
 


Here, we have historical revisionism with a touch of "sour grapes". R600/2900 was supposed to kill GTX. When it didn't, AMD lowered the price and said, "We really meant it to compete with the GTS."

Barcelona was supposed to dominate Intel's latest offerings. When it didn't, AMD published benchmarks using a mythical 2.6 GHz processor. When they got caught there, they declared, after factoring in idle power consumption, phase of the moon, tidal depths, sunspot activity, and tectonic plate movement, "BETTER PERFORMANCE PER WATT", lowered their prices, and set their sights on Intel's midrange processors..

And after a lot of advertising hype, both were very late.
 

Was ???(past tense)
Show me what Processor is that you speak of ?

Show me Independent 3rd Party benchmarks which you are using for support.
 
Since you like to talk about revisionism. Just take the American Auto Industry as an example. the all mighty Oil Thursty, SMOG bellowing, MEGA Horse power producing age didn't give them the edge over the fuel economic, cheap and Extremely long lasting Japanese cars. Now youare amongst the pre-collapse of "native" North American Auto. For example.. Ford and Chrysler, GMC would also be there if it weren't for their market diversity(Military, Electronics etc..) Toyota and Honda are world leaders in almost everything in less than 40 years of their emergence in North America while the "Native" Ford and others have been here, producing and selling automobiles long before the Japanese even knew what a car was.

All AMD has realized that they must cater to the "masses" where they can get their chips out. Graphic or Processor they are making volumes for people who know will but them. Now tell me, how many people have a Extreme Edition Intel or AMD ? And how many people have GTX, XTX, Quad-SLI or even a Crossfire set-up?

AMD is seeing progress in this Strategy, they have kept the market shares we previously though was lost for good. Although not turning as much a profit, they have managed to get their name out there, Even thoguh only 1/4 people who bought the AMD actually know what a CPU even is amd 1/4 of that 1/4 know the difference between an Intel and AMD processor. they've got their name out to those 1/16 people who bought them.
 
I am not sure what your point is. I think you are saying that we really will not know how Barcelona will compare to Intel until there are third party benchmarks.

Now, let me ask you a question. If AMD thought that they had a competitive part, why were they sitting on them? They should have been distributing them to all the third party testers. After all, since R600/2900 was so late and missed its target, they really needed some good news.

There AREN'T any independent third party benchmarks. All we have seen so far is marketing hype and announcements of delay.

Think back, waaay back (well, about 6 months). Look at all the marketing. The marketing indicated that Barcelona was not aimed at Intel's midrange. It wasn't aimed at "performance per watt". It was aimed at the top of the Intel line.

And there still aren't any independent third party benchmarks.

Look. I want AMD to do well. Competition is good for us. Intel used to deliver a new generation of CPU chips every three or four years. Thanks to the competition from AMD, we are getting new CPU chips as quickly as we get new generations of GPU's. And the prices are great.
 
The Point think we all want AMD to realize is that they should release products that really make the quote "You get what you pay for" shine and whine, Software is going nowhere fast. Multi-core is still about a good 3-4 years off, 64-bit is still 1 year away, if not 2. Graphic Cards are overly capable but the drivers for both of them trickle out with minor work done, Example the 1950XTX still isn't fully utilized(yes ATI 1000 Series), driver by driver the performance seems to leap and skip allowing certain programs to run smoother and more like what they really should have ran like on that Card. I believe that after Core Arc, the software that runs on these CPU's can't be mutilated and made to run any better. So until software isn't up to par, the frequencies can rise to get it done faster, but the CPU and GPU capabilities can't be used at max efficiency(IPC + Energy used) but I have to admit, Intel did show AMD that efficiency can be taken further with a look at their own errors in Instruction execution.
 



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
"You get what you pay for" does'nt apply to us "overclockers" because we don't make up the "profitable" part of the market. The Retards buying w/e the rep tells them to buy are the
"Profitable" slice of the market. I know so many people who have a AMD Dual-core just because the rep said that "This is the fastest Dual-core".
LOL Wanna hear a funny story?
I heard a Future shop rep saying " AMD Athlon64 X2 4400 is faster than the Intel Core 2 Duo 6400, because 2.2ghz is faster than a 2.13Ghz"

I stood there and giggled for a good 5 minutes, I said nothing to the sales rep because I couldn't get a job in his exact position. And people with no knowledge of CPUs are made the centre piece. And this was only about 1 month ago.The store had ads of Core 2 Duo all over the place but most of the computers that were being sold were the Celeron and Sempron to people asking for Gaming and Heavy multimedia capability.
 
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I am not sure how the U.S. automobile industry is relevant, but I cannot disagree with you there. I work in Saudi Arabia. Because of contract requirements, we are tied to GMC products. The Suburbans and 4WD GMC pickups are pretty good. OTOH, the Jimmy overall quality of build and reliability is, to be charitable, excessively mediocre. In Texas, we have a 91 Toyota Camry out of the Lexington, KY plant that still runs well. That seems to indicate to me that the problem is not with the U.S. automotive workers. The problems are with management and design.

And I agree with you about AMD's present marketing. It is aimed at the "masses" and the lower and midrange. In Jan. 2007, however, that was not the market segment they were aiming at. For the first time in several years, AMD has ceded the high end to Intel and nVidia.
 

no, the stress is on "supposed", not "was".

as for the statement, here you go.
http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/hardware/0,39042972,61984216,00.htm

I think the most funniest part is where Randy Allen said...


why do i feel that the tune of the wind from AMD has changed....
 

I don't see any relevance w/ Intel and AMD here. The reason why Toyota and Honda succeeded, was because they made their names equal to reliability, efficiency, and inexpensiveness. Less people will want to drive an Avg 15mpg truck, costing 30k, when the fuel price is 3.99 per gallon, no?

AMD is trying to make a name on the market, but with what? performance? no. efficiency? no. performance per watt? no. performance per watt per dollar? maybe (whatever the heck that means) As a result, they're focusing on value. "let's beat Intel at pricing, since we can't compete with them on the performance end". That's exactly what they're doing, at the heavy cost of their margin, their cash flow, and ultimately, their potential to return.


As I said before, in order to let those 1/16 (hypothetically) people know how good AMD is, AMD is losing everything. Because of this "maintain the marketshare" strategy, now they have 5.8billion debt, and a little over 1billion cash on hand, while losing 600 million per quarter.

With no strong product to pick up the reds, how can AMD compete?
 

Want to hear an even more hilarious one?

On a blog far far away....
there was a person, trying to argue that K10 will trump Intel's ANY offering. Why? "Because K10 will run at 10Ghz (2.5 x 4)"!
 



Awesome 😀 Nice one :pt1cable:
To get back serious and on the benches, until we don't have the REAL brand-new Barcelona and not a stupid estimated clock face to a poor low-cadenced Xeon, we just can't ... And from a propaganda-website of AMD ...
 
Im not on the little engine that couldnt bandwagon. This is all speculation, what it could be, and what it might be etc. To prop it up or tear it down at this point is not thinking clearly. We will all know in a couple of weeks anyways, then lets examine it, with 3rd party benches. Im on the fence here, and like AMD with K8, threy started out slow and got to 3 GHZ. Should go alot faster now theyve done it before, and at 65nm. So lets just wait
 

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I guess the "masses" will never learn or never want to learn, and the people that are trying to sell its image have just been updated with the news that the Cold War just ended, and the wall of Berlin has been torn down.
 
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