Freedom of marriage... is it a right?

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^I wouldnt call it "Imposing", these people see a better, more free way of life, and they would be ignorant to deny it. Arranged marriages are not whats best for anyone, and I think we should all do whats best for ourselves and others and do what makes us happy, not live the rest of our lives miserable just because thats how everyone before us lived. If someone is forced into marriage they may aswell be imprisoned, its the same thing.
 
It is an innate human right to choose who you marry. You are not granted that right by a government, you are born with it. A government (whether religious or secular) therefore has no authority to force you to marry or deny you your right to marry who you choose. In fact, they really have no business regulating it at all. They claim that they want to prevent tax fraud, but their taxation systems are rife with loopholes and fraud already. It is clearly governmental overreach when you must apply to the government in order to simply marry the person you choose. This is a right that is far beyond their authority.
 
^It is an innate human right to choose who you marry.

LOL! Then I should be merried to Emma Watson in the future.

It should be a mutual selection of mating partner, which due to the monogamy social behaviour of the western society and by law, evolve to become a wife and husband or partner (of same or different gender) relationship recognised by the law for their union right (some times proved by a piece of certificate).
 


No you are only thinking of your innate right while ignoring Emma's. So no you can't marry her unless Emma Watson wants to marry you. Violating another's right is immoral and that's where laws come in. You would be violating her right to choose her partner if you forced her to marry you. Your analysis listing cultural western norms and laws misses what an innate right is. It transcends cultural norms and laws. It is above these. You have that right because you exist, not because a society has a certain culture or a certain set of laws.

If the girl was already in Lebanon that culture and that set of laws would purport to deny her the right to refuse her parents' marriage wishes. This would violate her human rights regardless of what Western laws or Eastern laws say.
 
I am not saying you can force a marriage or just thinking of my innate right while ignoring other. I wrote:

"It should be a mutual selection of mating partner"

I just think you should refined your selection of words or defined carefully the meaning of "It is an innate human right to choose who you marry."

It sounds like you can pick a person on the street you want to merry and they have to merry you, pretty much like Kim Jong Il.

It is an innate human right to propose a marriage. (could be made by one or both of the the involving couple or by others). However, the agreement on marriage must be a personal consent from both of the involving couple.

I put in "by others" because some culture made wedding proposal via their parent although the two people in a relationship know each other very well and wants to have a wedding.

For example, if I am going to marry to a Chinese girl and their family is absolutely strict on the ceremony procedure, then I have to do this.

Get a ring and propose like normal. Tell our parent. Our parents will meet in a fancy restaurant and arrange a proposal ceramony where the couple will not be involved. My parents, the groom side of the family will hire an announcer to send wedding proposal letters and proposal gift.
 


Oh we accept traditional Aboriginal law here.

Once an Aboriginal man raped someone in huis tribe and the court let the elders spear him (almost) to death.

We honour their laws and customs. Why not Lebanese ones?

Right or wrong is subjective here.

From the socially constructed viewpoints of both cultures, they are acting in what they say are right.
 
^exactly and it is so hard to argue.

I think this become majority rules, democratically imposed dictatorship where number is might type of situation. If we allow it to happen, then it is right but if we we don't allow it to happen, then it is wrong. Big flaw!
 
"We honour their laws and customs. Why not Lebanese ones?"

probably because ur not in Lebanon ..as for the Honoring of the Aboriginal customs ..the crime happened in their tribe , prolly iside the 'land borders' ..if the same thing had been done say inside downtown Melborne (Melbourne? , I cant spell, sorry ) then which customs or laws would apply ? ..but it prolly had some geographical 'jurisdiction' taken into account as well ..I dont know you have heard of the story Cabaza De Vaca ..but its a great look at the intersection of cultures
 


Can you give us a link for that because I don't believe one word of it. I know of a case where an Aboriginal man was on trial and the judge put a restraining order on him so he couldn't go back to his tribe and receive (non-lethal) spearing punishment (which he preferred over jail time). I'm fairly certain spearing is illegal in Australia, even for Aboriginals.
 


There are limits to this. Just like the states Native American tribes can't just instate torture or the chopping off of hands. Although there are key differences (Native Americans are not bound to all aspects of common law), basic human rights still apply.
 
By citizenship status I mean is she an Australian or some other nationality?

The whole permanent resident thing stinks as far as I am cconcerned ... I consider people who want to be a permanent resident but keep their original status second class citizens in my country.

If they want to be naturalised and become an Australian then I'll back them to the hilt.

If she is from some other country then her family can all pack their bags and go home ... and take her with them.

If she wants to become an Australian ... then they are not taking her anywhere.
 


Hell yes. Agree 100%.

I live in a country where an arranged marriage is still a common thing and I have to watch some of my friends being forced into it and not be able to do ANYTHING. It's horrible. Western culture or not, there's a set of rights that every human being is entitled to, and that is a freedom of choice that doesn't affect other people's lives. Your religion, your beliefs, you love or the absence of it are YOUR CHOICES.

I'd point-blank shoot anyone attempting to force the opposite on me, but unfortunately, I can't even help my friends - you don't want to risk the wrath of the outnumbering community. I'll still try to do whatever I can, but it feels like a lost cause and I hate these [:amk-aka-phantom:1] traditions [:amk-aka-phantom:1]. Follow them, if you like, but give your children a free choice. They WANT it.
 
I think people are missing the point. Freedom of marriage is a human right. It is intrinsic to one's existence. Lebanon may do its best to deny its citizens this right, but that fact will always remain.
 


Shooting is a bit extreme.

Can't we just put soap in their mouths ... or make them listen to the Bee Gees for 4hrs ??

:)
 

A commonsense attitude. Unfortunately, there are problems with laws, customs, and multiculturalists.



A death worst than fate.
 
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