G-Sync Kit for Asus VG248QE Monitor Available for $200

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You're confused. I said stop asking AMD to go bankrupt. I want them to live, you apparently agree with driving them into the ground. AMD needs to start raping you I guess, because your idea of a fine line is losing them billions. Raping in your context sounds like finally making some profits...LOL.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1723539/report-amd-volcanic-islands-gpus-launching-october-8000-branding/page-2.html#11142045
You can read me saying keep them alive over an over in here. It's comic every time someone says anything BAD about AMD they're labeled a fanboy. I want AMD to make money. You don't seem to get it.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1767523/amd-settle-forever-program-finally-announced.html#11357001
I advocate keeping them alive, no free games, and AMD charging more. I can keep listing my AMD defense posts, but it doesn't matter to guys like you who are so far AMD fanboy they are incapable of reading anything truthful about amd's products, or finances without freaking out. But you're accusing me of being a fanboy (for what wanting NV to make more money? for wanting AMD to quit losing money? that makes no sense)...LOL. I own a radeon 5850 currently BTW (though not for much longer I'd guess).

Both sides need to charge more or they won't be able to afford R&D. What part of that is confusing or fanboy for either side? I want to get BETTER cards yearly. I don't want phase 1, 2 ,3 drivers next year (this year either). Profits are needed to avoid this and AMD can't seem to get any for 10yrs. You can't fix all the problems if they don't make any money right? What part of the statement "NV hasn't made as much as 2007" did you not get? If they are raping you, shouldn't they be making more money at some point in the last 6 years than 2007? Yes, I'm enlightened, if that's what you call someone looking at balance sheets and realizing companies making NOTHING go bankrupt. Correction from before after a quick check of that 10yr summary page, they have lost 7Billion+. Acknowledging reality isn't rocket science.

Is ~11.5% profit raping you? 4.1B revenue for NV, 460mil profit. Get a clue. Learn how to read a balance sheet before commenting on financial details of companies or ragging on pricing. There is no raping going on here. For that you need to look at MS, Apple, Intel etc. Do you realize AMD has a -13.5% profit margin? You seem to be incapable of handling the truth. AMD as a business SUCKS. I'm not talking if you like them or not, I'm talking do they make MONEY?!?! You're arguing to get NV into the same boat...LOL. I want them both to NOT suck. I'm NOT willing to pay ANY cost; you are blowing things out of proportion as clearly shown by their balance sheets. Neither is making a killing and one is getting severely KILLED.

You don't seem to be aware AMD has sold their fabs.
Sold their land.
Given up the cpu race.
Sold their soc/handest crap ages ago to Qcom (now having to make another...LOL) for $65mil if memory serves. How dumb was that in 2009?
Have multi-phase driver fixes now
Launch products that don't perform as advertised until fixed by others (Hawaii, see tomshardware fiasco with fans)
Have lost 7Billion in 10yrs
Company value tanked over 10yrs
9yrs ago the stock was $42 with 1/2 the shares outstanding that they have now. Now that same stock is $4.
Market cap was 14Billion, now 3Billion. Do you know what it means to dilute your shares? 723mil outstanding now vs. 350mil 10yrs ago. WOW that =failure on a massive scale.
Freesync (vapor not even planned to market product) vs. Gsync (real, here now, working in GAMES).
Billions in debt. Debt to equity 4.72. NV=ZERO. I could keep going...When will it be OK for AMD to make some money in your mind? When is it OK for them to raise pricing which might make some profits? Losing $7 Billion in 10yrs is bad isn't it? But you'd argue they are pricing their stuff correctly?...LOL. Being your friend is KILLING AMD!

How ignorant do you have to be to think AMD's doing great? Considering their losses are free games great for them? Low prices are great? Phase3 drivers great (phase2 doesn't address dx9 etc)? I'm trying really hard not to call you a complete idiot but people like you don't make it easy. Does AMD have to go bankrupt before people like you understand what people like me are saying here?

How much profit can a company make before they make your RAPIST list? NV barely makes 10% net. What percent profit can a company have in your "FINE LINE" fantasy figured life? Come back when you land on planet reality. I am a FANBOY of my favorite companies making MONEY (and even the ones I don't like making money) so I can get new excellent future products from them or their competition. I can choose not to pay for the 50K 105in monitor, but still love the fact that it eventually leads to a 4K product I can afford. Thank god for people who can buy this 1st adopter crap or we'd never get it. Thank god for profits, or they'd never risk making anything new or cool.

Even Intel can't keep up with R&D demands now (and they only have 18% net so not as evil as 60% margins seem to suggest either). Hence the AZ fab hold. It's pretty sad when you build a building, but leave it empty right? Not good is it? How many jobs do you think that move cost? At some point you have to realize if you can't afford the crap we're discussing I guess you need a better job. :) The companies can't really charge much less and continue to innovate because that takes profits right? You see a sticker price and think that's all there is to it, they're all just evil because I'm too broke to afford it...LOL No, you just don't understand the concept of how to run a business that actually makes money. $20 says your a democrat. Everyone owes you, we need to pay our share, spread the wealth so nobody actually has REAL WEALTH...ROFL. Markets set prices, companies really don't. If the price sucks, nobody buys and the price drops. If it wasn't for people chasing fake coins (all digital currency I'd say), AMD would have had a VERY bad xmas as nobody in their right mind would have bought REF cards for gaming (without being willing to toss the warranty and fix them - which miners surely do - but I wouldn't at $400+). So while I think mining is stupid, I'm glad someone is betting like it's vegas and buying AMD cards right and left.

The only company on the planet I'd actually say is REALLY ripping us off is Apple & maybe samsung too at this point. But if it wasn't for them would we have the current fab wars speeding up or SLOWING down? But I don't hate these two for making money (great business people, like BillG even if I hate their current products, he's a great businessman), and can just ignore their overpriced products and be happy someone else has the cash to pay them so we get more innovation. If apple hadn't created a mini phone craze (which in turn causes google's android responses, samsung responses etc,) we wouldn't be seeing an ARM/Intel cpu war coming up and would be facing WINTEL and windows 8 like crap from monopoly dominance for another 10 years. Now win9 shaping up to be a win7/xp again. Apple has created some great stuff and caused even more to be created by others, even if I think they're pricks I can see this and admire it a bit.

Are there any companies that are actually making profits that you do NOT think are raping you? I mean you drew the line on NV at 11.5%. So how broke does someone have to be for you to like them? AMD broke? When companies don't make money, they don't hire more people, and we have crap employment/economy. If the rich weren't rich, who would fund all our cool crap?

I'm not wasting your time, you sir are wasting mine. But I'm posting this anyway, in the hopes there will be FEWER people who think like you in the future.

Thanks for acknowledging how enlightened I am though 😉 It's the only thing you [sort of] got right in your statement. WOW, you're so ignorant (about how business actually works).
 
Why does everyone keep equating this to PhysX?

Yes, it's out on one monitor right now. New tech can't necessarily spawn on everything all at once. Other monitors coming out soon that will support it as well. BUT It works on EVERY game with no added support from the developers
 
That DIY kit is really overpriced , but if you are going to buy a monitor with it installed , it's not actually that bad . People who are saying "why not buy a better card or upgrade to a second " have to think about it for a minute . You say , just out-power the content , how long do you think this will last ? After half a year a game will come out that will push your more powerful card into that void zone of 45-59 fps . Just yesterday I was struggling with this problem . You see AC4 Black Flag is a very good example for a game that just needs that tech . If I turn off the Vsync it runs with about 50-ish fps dropping to 40 as a minimum . All should be perfect , but there is excessive amount of tearing . If I turn Vsync on , game directly falls to locked 30fps . even drops to 25-ish at times . Now I tried the same thing as some people suggest here . To out-power it , I started lowering settings to get above 60 at all times . Amazingly that didn't happen until I got rid off AA , and set all to normal (wich is the medium setting ) also no Ambient Oclusion or any of the eye candy , and thats coming from 50 fps on almost fully maxed out game . Now in the case above , G-sync would be a life saver . Yes I can get a second card and the effect will be similar - for now . Until the next more demanding (and badly optimized) game comes out . Freesync is something interesting to keep an eye for , but even if it sees the light of day , you will still have to buy a new monitor . Todays monitors (not laptop screens) don't have such tech build into them . The truth is G-sync and technologies like it are the future of gaming . We should be happy nvidia does this , it will force (as it did already) other GPU and monitor manufacturers to start developing . Hopefully in 10 years there wont be a gamers without such thing in their monitor(laptop) .
 


Where and when did I say this was essential and more cost effective than a GPU upgrade? :heink:
 
Just so you know, Intel doesn't have a monopoly on the CPU market BECAUSE of AMD being present. The fact that AMD has now missed the mark on TWO generations of CPUs while watching Intel march forward is not Intel's fault! I agree with that poster and AMD's failed profit making. WHERE they fail in profit making is irrelevant.
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AMD, unlike Intel, also failed at illegally paying OEMs not to use the competition's products.
 
Agreed, G-sync will also work for ALL games. And will keep perfect sync on all games from 30fps all the way up to whatever the monitor can refresh at. PhysX it is not.

It may only be available for one monitor NOW, but at least half a dozen monitors will have it by Q2 of this year. Regardless I have been enjoying it myself now for the past few weeks. One of the BEST upgrades Ive done over the past half dozen years.

 


Blame people like this:
http://i.imgur.com/T5BbvrG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dDamPHX.jpg

I doubt AMD's raising prices maliciously, it's just supply and demand. Litecoin miners start hoarding, AMD can't keep up in demand, prices go up. Simple as that.
 


There was an article that stated that AMD did not raised the card prices it was the retailers

Well people buy those card at that price as well, why would the retailer would lower their price? The fact that they sold out everywhere is just oil to the fire
 


Actually, they were and a quick Google search will find a couple forum posts from various winners, including one where the winner did a pic-based installation guide and unboxing.

I can say that moving from 60Hz to 144 and SLI was freaking awesome. Based on this winner's guide and his own description moving from the stock 144Hz to G-Sync was just as significant.

I'm fortunate enough to be able to run my monitor at 120Hz and keep the FPS up to use v-sync on BF4 when maxed out and the difference between this and no v-sync is just as significant, so I can only imagine g-sync without the lag or FPS drops associated with v-sync.

I, for one, will be happy paying $200 for this, and that's about what I expected. You may see someone like Newegg eventually selling the units for less, but even Nvidia's site says they are offering them "for a limited time" so I have to guess that the DIY kit may be hard to obtain once the VG248QE w/baked in G-Sync is widely available.

There is also some appeal to waiting on ASUS for this one: the production monitor controls remain in-tact, unlike the mod kit which results in disabling the monitor controls and instead adds a driver-controlled OSD.

Here's someone who won the kit describing their experience:
http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/101464-g-sync-feedback/
 


You are wrong he clearly stated in his 1st sentence he won his g-sync from "LinusTechTips" not Toms... Toms never announced their winners... Bullshit...
 
It's expensive but it was released due to some demand. You must understand that it's not what you are used to as customer it's not massporduced labeled packed product with x years warranty and shit. It's inhouse part that supposedly final version of their develompent prototype. It's uncanny they even sell this device. There surely was community plea for release of this to public.
It will still take pretty long time before you have some options on the market with G-Sync. Would I pay 200$ for it, no way. I find myself regular resonable consumer, I'd like to see this tech widely adapted before I even consider it.
 
I think you're more likely to see an interface that allows ANY monitor's innards to be bypassed and the G-Sync module to be external. This way Nvidia would have a single external connector to attach to theonitor and a box that would contain the G-Sync unit.

The same concept could be applied so that an industry standard could be established, maybe allowing for AMD to offer FreeSync even to monitors that don't support it currently.

Why? Because it would bolster competition.
 


I ordered it for my VG248QE, I have a single GTX Titan. I'm in absolute love with G Sync. The lack of stuttering and input lag for multiplayer games is fantastic. It's definitely harder to notice tearing at higher fps/refresh rates as it is, but when you see it removed completely with no input lag(at the cost of a very very small fps hit), it's so worth it.
 
THis is not going to happen, you cant just plop on an external box unless there is a control board bypass option built into the monitor itself. This just doesn't make any sense.

 


Most likely the OSD controls will remain in place for the other inputs other than the DP input. But the OSD controls themselves are flawed to begin with. Best way to calibrate the controls is through the computers GPU menu's. Gamma, brightness,contrast,RGB sliders etc are accurate. Sharpness, "tint", "color" etc are old school controls that lack in multiple ways and just don't have the accuracy you want. Hell sharpness control shouldn't even be on a fixed pixel display, its worthless.

 


That's assuming future GSYNC monitors have other than DP input. As it stands, with the GSYNC kit, you lose the DVI and HDMI ports entirely on the VG248QE. However, like you said, that's more accurate anyway. The only control left on the OSD after GSYNC is Brightness, the ULMB(Lightboost) toggle switch, and Menu, which shows you the status, i.e., Resolution, refresh rate, Operation mode(Normal, GSYNC or ULMB[Lightboost])
 
I agree that you lose HDMI and DVI inputs.............I can see G sync working with DVI in the future.......doubt it will be available with HDMI though.........regardless both those input standards are IMO a bit out dated anyway. DP is where its at.

 


Sorry for bullshit, but you generically said "who won the 5 from the giveaway". There were 5 offered in giveaways on various sites; I assumed you weren't necessarily referring to Tom's and didn't actually know Tom's had this offered.



What do you think of the modified OSD? Are you able to achieve the same levels as you preferred w/the original VG248QE settings?

I know people complain about this being a TN, but I'm kind of partial to my current settings and actually think the colors are pretty darn good.
 


Which is exactly why I said "an interface that allows ANY monitor's innards to be bypassed and the G-Sync module to be external." You don't need a control board, you simply need to bypass the internal connections and not run power to the internal board. At most you would need a simple board to bridge the connections. It's not complicated. I'm an EE and I can tell you that any good test bed has a similar configuration for testing various hardware.

If you watch the video by Nvidia doing a walk-through on the G-sync install, you'll notice that the module simply connects to a series of PCB clips and ports. As any EE will tell you these could easily be combined into a single connector with a relay or switch allowing the internal parts (which w/the kit you are replacing) to be bypassed when connected. The external G-Sync box would then have a DP connection.

It's entirely possible and actually less complicated than modifying a monitor. It's effectively the SAME thing; the connection is just done externally.

It would also allow more monitors to be supported w/out modification. The hardware could be all inclusive for a set of monitors and firmware could be used to identify the monitor/panel that is connected.
 


Actually, I'm assuming the production version of the VG248QE w/G-Sync will follow suit to the PG278Q, which ONLY has a DP connection:
http://rog.asus.com/296652014/news/rog-announces-the-pg278q-swift-27-inch-wqhd-g-sync-gaming-monitor/

 

I understand what your saying in terms of adding in a bypass......I just don't see it happening........probably adds in too much cost total for a run to do that unless the unit is in a complete overhaul/redesign stage........
 


I've got it nearly looking 1:1 with how I had it set up before. "Modified" OSD is a stretch though. Minimalist OSD is more accurate. you can *only* control Brightness from the OSD. You have to adjust colors from the NVidia Control panel after the mod.

As for what Zippy said, I doubt that we will see it over DVI - Something about the DP using packets instead of timed signals that DVI and HDMI use. Seems to be NVIDIA also wants to finally push people to make the switch to DisplayPort.
 
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