GA-VRXP - won't work with Windows 2000 ?

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Please, can somebody help me with this ?
Gigabyte GA-7VRXP + AMD XP2400 + 2 x 256 Mb DDR2700.
The above runs various versions of DOS, from either floppy or hard drive (60
Gb Seagate), fine - no problem at all.
If I try to install Windows 2000 it all seems to be going well until I get
to the point where it should be 'Starting to run Windows for the first
time' - and it just hangs - forever 🙂
I have tried building a fresh install on a Duron 1200 and then swapping the
hard drive over - same problem: hangs after the 'starting Windows' progress
stripe has completed.
I've tried swapping both memory and motherboard (both GA-7VRXP Rev1.1) and
still the same problem.
This is driving me crazy !
Does anyone have any ideas on what I should try next ?
Any help would be very gratefully appreciated.
TIA,
Kevin.
 
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"Kevin Lawton" <kepla@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> Please, can somebody help me with this ?
> Gigabyte GA-7VRXP + AMD XP2400 + 2 x 256 Mb DDR2700.
> The above runs various versions of DOS, from either floppy or hard drive
(60
> Gb Seagate), fine - no problem at all.
> If I try to install Windows 2000 it all seems to be going well until I get
> to the point where it should be 'Starting to run Windows for the first
> time' - and it just hangs - forever 🙂
> I have tried building a fresh install on a Duron 1200 and then swapping
the
> hard drive over - same problem: hangs after the 'starting Windows'
progress
> stripe has completed.
> I've tried swapping both memory and motherboard (both GA-7VRXP Rev1.1) and
> still the same problem.
> This is driving me crazy !
> Does anyone have any ideas on what I should try next ?
> Any help would be very gratefully appreciated.
>
>
I have a dedicated audio and video capture machine here based on Shuttle
AK38N mobo, KT333 chipset, same as your VRXP, Matrox G400 Marvel (does mjpeg
hardware compression, i.e. easy to edit, and removes Macrovision protection
from VHS tapes), XP 2600+ and 512MB RAM. Runs Win2k perfectly. I also do
200+ Win2k installs annually (industrial PCs) and succeeded in getting it to
run on anything from P233 notebook upwards.

1) No need to use FDISK to "prep" a drive for NT class OS installation, use
the built-in facility

2) ntldr starts loading the OS in 16 bit 'real' mode indicated by the white
bar running left to right. At that point it switches to 32 bit 'protected'
mode and starts loading 32 bit drivers (blue bar running across). It seems
that your system halts at that point. How is your HDD connected? Primary,
secondary IDE, Promise port? If Promise port, is the drive configured
correctly as a single drive RAID array? And did you hit F6 and had the
appropriate drivers prepared on a floppy at the beginning of install?

3) Only other option is that your processor is faulty, halts when switching
to 'protected'. mode.
 
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Thanks, Zord.
What a coincidence ! Oddly enough, once this is working okay, this machine
will be having a Matrox Rainbow Runner installed alongside the G400 for
doing video capture. I like Matrox cards - usually no issues. Also, like
yourself, I have Win2K running on a range of machines from a Pentium MMX 200
upwards.
Didn't know anything about the 'F6' thing. I usually just let Win2K start
off with its default drivers on a 'minimal build' and then start adding
extra bits and drivers once something is working.
The 60 Gb Seagate is the only HD in the system at the moment, conected to
the primary 'ordinary' IDE channel (I didn't want to complicate things yet).
The promise RAID channels are 'switched off' in the BIOS, though I've tried
that setting different ways (no change). I've also tried having sound, LAN
and USB switched of in the BIOS to keep it all as simple as possible. Once
Win2K is up and running it is easy enough to enable things one-at-a-time
later.
I hadn't previosly considered a potentially faulty processor. It works okay
in DOS, but of course that is real mode only. I'd like to exhaust all other
options before going to the expense of buying a replacement for it.
Following the processor train of thought, maybe I could download a free copy
of a different op system which uses protected mode and try that ? A recent
distro of Linux, like RedHat or Mandrake, springs to mind. What do you
think - any other ideas ?
Thanks for your help,
Kevin.

Alien Zord <> wrote:
| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
| news:c4rhno$l0f$2@sparta.btinternet.com...
|| Please, can somebody help me with this ?
|| Gigabyte GA-7VRXP + AMD XP2400 + 2 x 256 Mb DDR2700.
|| The above runs various versions of DOS, from either floppy or hard
|| drive (60 Gb Seagate), fine - no problem at all.
|| If I try to install Windows 2000 it all seems to be going well until
|| I get to the point where it should be 'Starting to run Windows for
|| the first time' - and it just hangs - forever 🙂
|| I have tried building a fresh install on a Duron 1200 and then
|| swapping the hard drive over - same problem: hangs after the
|| 'starting Windows' progress stripe has completed.
|| I've tried swapping both memory and motherboard (both GA-7VRXP
|| Rev1.1) and still the same problem.
|| This is driving me crazy !
|| Does anyone have any ideas on what I should try next ?
|| Any help would be very gratefully appreciated.
||
||
| I have a dedicated audio and video capture machine here based on
| Shuttle AK38N mobo, KT333 chipset, same as your VRXP, Matrox G400
| Marvel (does mjpeg hardware compression, i.e. easy to edit, and
| removes Macrovision protection from VHS tapes), XP 2600+ and 512MB
| RAM. Runs Win2k perfectly. I also do 200+ Win2k installs annually
| (industrial PCs) and succeeded in getting it to run on anything from
| P233 notebook upwards.
|
| 1) No need to use FDISK to "prep" a drive for NT class OS
| installation, use the built-in facility
|
| 2) ntldr starts loading the OS in 16 bit 'real' mode indicated by the
| white bar running left to right. At that point it switches to 32 bit
| 'protected' mode and starts loading 32 bit drivers (blue bar running
| across). It seems that your system halts at that point. How is your
| HDD connected? Primary, secondary IDE, Promise port? If Promise port,
| is the drive configured correctly as a single drive RAID array? And
| did you hit F6 and had the appropriate drivers prepared on a floppy
| at the beginning of install?
|
| 3) Only other option is that your processor is faulty, halts when
| switching to 'protected'. mode.
 
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"Kevin Lawton" <kepla@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks, Zord.
> snip <
> Didn't know anything about the 'F6' thing. I usually just let Win2K start
> off with its default drivers on a 'minimal build' and then start adding
> extra bits and drivers once something is working.
> snip <
>
>
My reply to you in alt.comp.hardware:
Two more ideas:
1) Your G400 isn't a dual head sending video to the wrong socket?
2) Have you tried starting in safe mode? It will list all the software
modules as they load halting hopefully on the faulting one.
 
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Tried replacing the Matrox G400 AGP card with a Matrox Mystique PCI card
(and changed BIOS) but still no change - it boots as far as the 'Starting
Windows' bar completes and then hangs. In 'Safe Mode with Command Prompt' I
can see Mup.sys as the last file sucessfully loaded. I think this is the
famous 'muppet' problem !
Got myself a new PSU - a big beefy 550w job - and still no change.
So far, every piece of hardware except for the processor has been swapped
out.
Before buying another AMD XP2400 CPU I'd really like to make sure something
is wrong with the one I've got.
Does anyone know of any CPU testing/diagnostic software which I could
download and run from a floppy ?
TIA
Kevin.

Alien Zord <rem.alienzord@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
| "Kevin Lawton" <kepla@btinternet.com> wrote in message
| news:c4u5l4$3mq$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
|| Thanks, Zord.
|| snip <
|| Didn't know anything about the 'F6' thing. I usually just let Win2K
|| start off with its default drivers on a 'minimal build' and then
|| start adding extra bits and drivers once something is working.
|| snip <
||
||
| My reply to you in alt.comp.hardware:
| Two more ideas:
| 1) Your G400 isn't a dual head sending video to the wrong socket?
| 2) Have you tried starting in safe mode? It will list all the software
| modules as they load halting hopefully on the faulting one.
 
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"Kevin Lawton" <kepla@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:c5262o$n6$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> snip <
>
> Does anyone know of any CPU testing/diagnostic software which I could
> download and run from a floppy ?
>
>
You can run Linux Knoppix or one of its derivatives straight from a CD.
http://www.knoppix.org/
 
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I tried downloading Knoppix, which took all night and half the morning, but
the CD didn't work - maybe I got a duff ISO image - so I FDISKed the HD and
installed Red Hat 9 instead. Went in like a dream - 20 mins from FDISK to
playing 'Tux Racer'. The hardware seems slick and flast and has been running
now for about 6 hours with no problems.
I guess this proves that the hardware is okay, but I'd still like to run
some good diagnostic tests to prove that point. Anyone know of any
diagnostics to run under Linux ?
So, there is still a problem with installing or running Windows 2000, and
I'm not too sure what to do next to solve it. I've now tried swapping
everything in the system except for the CPU, but as Linux runs fine I'm
guessing that it is okay.
I will investigate the option of trying Win4Lin so my applications can be
used, but there might be a problem. One of the most important applications
is the Driver and Video software which comes with the Matrox G-series
Rainbow Runner video capture card. I don't want to run programs under any
sort of emulation which might comprimise performance, as the whole reason I
built this machine was to have something fast enough for video editing. My
Duron 1200 and Athlon 1.4 are plenty fast enough for everything else I do.
The original problem is still present - Windows hangs when the 'Starting
Windows' progress bar completes, when Mup.sys has been loaded. Now that I
think we've eliminated a hardware problem, I am beginning to wonder if there
isn't a problem with Windows itself. Windows 2000 is over four years old,
the hardware is relatively recent. Could it be that they are just not
compatible ?
TIA
Kevin.

Alien Zord <rem.alienzord@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
| "Kevin Lawton" <kepla@btinternet.com> wrote in message
| news:c5262o$n6$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
|| snip <
||
|| Does anyone know of any CPU testing/diagnostic software which I could
|| download and run from a floppy ?
||
||
| You can run Linux Knoppix or one of its derivatives straight from a
| CD. http://www.knoppix.org/
 
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Latest update on this long-running problem.
I've had some measure of success ! 🙂
Having tried swapping every other piece of hardware in the system, I pulled
the precious XP2400 from the GA-7VRXP m/board and put in a Duron 650 - and
started again from scratch.
Windows 2000 installed normally and appears to be running fine - it has even
detected all the devices on the GA-7VRXP - so this appears to be an XP2400
problem ?
Where next ? I know of only two differences between the XP2400 and the
Duron 650:
1) The XP2400 is much faster - could this cause 'timing problems' ?
2) The XP2400 has SSE (streaming SIMD extensions) - could these cause
Windows 2000 to hang ?
Thanks to everyone for all the help so far, but I still have a problem to
solve - I need to have the XP2400 in this system.
Anyone got any ideas how to make it work with Windows 2000 - it works fine
with Windows Me and Linux ?
TIA (again)
Kevin.

Kevin Lawton <kepla@btinternet.com> wrote:
| I tried downloading Knoppix, which took all night and half the
| morning, but the CD didn't work - maybe I got a duff ISO image - so I
| FDISKed the HD and installed Red Hat 9 instead. Went in like a dream
| - 20 mins from FDISK to playing 'Tux Racer'. The hardware seems slick
| and flast and has been running now for about 6 hours with no problems.
| I guess this proves that the hardware is okay, but I'd still like to
| run some good diagnostic tests to prove that point. Anyone know of any
| diagnostics to run under Linux ?
| So, there is still a problem with installing or running Windows 2000,
| and I'm not too sure what to do next to solve it. I've now tried
| swapping everything in the system except for the CPU, but as Linux
| runs fine I'm guessing that it is okay.
| I will investigate the option of trying Win4Lin so my applications
| can be used, but there might be a problem. One of the most important
| applications is the Driver and Video software which comes with the
| Matrox G-series Rainbow Runner video capture card. I don't want to
| run programs under any sort of emulation which might comprimise
| performance, as the whole reason I built this machine was to have
| something fast enough for video editing. My Duron 1200 and Athlon 1.4
| are plenty fast enough for everything else I do. The original problem
| is still present - Windows hangs when the 'Starting Windows' progress
| bar completes, when Mup.sys has been loaded. Now that I think we've
| eliminated a hardware problem, I am beginning to wonder if there
| isn't a problem with Windows itself. Windows 2000 is over four years
| old, the hardware is relatively recent. Could it be that they are
| just not compatible ?
| TIA
| Kevin.
|
| Alien Zord <rem.alienzord@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
|| "Kevin Lawton" <kepla@btinternet.com> wrote in message
|| news:c5262o$n6$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
||| snip <
|||
||| Does anyone know of any CPU testing/diagnostic software which I
||| could download and run from a floppy ?
|||
|||
|| You can run Linux Knoppix or one of its derivatives straight from a
|| CD. http://www.knoppix.org/
 

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