Game Stores View Valve's Steam as the Devil

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[citation][nom]geniusreddy[/nom]If steam is down (which pretty much never), you can still login to offline mode and play your games. Of course you can't do online multiplayer, but honestly Steam I think has been down 1 time in the four years I have been using it.[/citation]

You can still go online with most of your games even if steam is down. Most games use their own master server for finding online matches. Ex: BFBC2 uses EAs servers once you are ingame.
 
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Well World of Warcraft and consoles pretty much signed a death warrant for PC gaming. Steam is a great option for PC game purchases and my one and only source of purchasing my PC games (I also own a 360 and PS3.) ?Sorry if people would rather but Batman GOTY edition for $13.50 on Steam which never requires me to insert a disc to play, backs up all my saved game data, and doesn't require me to waste an hour to go someplace to buy it for at least 2-3 times the money. Steam win, Retail fail.
 

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I'd rather use Steam then go out to a packed store that's going to charge me more money for the same game, besides I hate having to dick around with game disks and I have limited space at home to store all that crapp. This is the way things evolve, I didn't like steam much the first time I had to install it, but after the first time I used it I loved it, just because I didn't need the game disk anymore.
 

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I love steam save for the auto-update. Why can't I play a game I just purchased before downloading some patches/updates? Other than that I really don't have complaints.
 

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"Do you think Steam has a frighteningly strong grip on the PC games market?"

steam is wonderful and is the way of the future. however, the fact the a game developer runs the service will need to be addressed at some point. the game developers who sell their products on steam are also valve's competitors. this is a conflict of interest. steam will eventually have be separated from valve.
 

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I, like many, resisted using Steam for a while after it came out. I remember buying Dark Messiah of Might and Magic years ago and when installing it it asked if I wanted to link it to Steam. Of course I said no. About a year and a half later I had to reinstall, HDD crashed and was unrecoverable. I thought ok I'll give Steam a shot and linked that game to it cause I had read you wouldn't lose some save games using Steam.

Gave it a shot and it was pretty seamless. Now years later I got on board along the way and have dozens of titles through Steam. My wife bought me CoD:Black Ops recently tho and I was disappointed it linked to Steam without even a prompt. Also had one other game recently I purchased retail on sale that linked to Steam without prompt. I have no issue with Steam and love the service and check the deals all the time but I do agree that if I buy a game retail I should have a choice to link it to steam cause once it's linked to your Steam account you can't just give it to a friend when you're done playing it. All in all though Steam rocks and honestly I might not have eventually warmed up to it had the retail stores around here mostly stopped carrying PC games years ago.
 

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Considering most steam games seem to be 10$ cheaper than the retail option, I prefer steam based games... Also steam discounts older games much quicker than retail shops. ( I've seen 5 year old PC games still priced at 50$+ where you can get the same game on steam for 10$)
 
Some of this makes little sense or is outright wrong..

There are many that I'm sure I've forgotten right now but,
a - all appdata is stored in the same place, complicating matters for people with plenty of small harddrives or low disk space
This may be true, but most gaming pc's i have seen have big hard drives.
b - the system by default downloads data at random, causing lag in games when people aren't aware that it suddenly decides to update team fortress or something
Strange as Steam always pauses all downloads whenever I load a game.
c - it seems impossible, at least to me, to delete a title from the library list once it has been installed - even if it was just a demo of a game or something
Right click the game and "delete local content" has always made Demos go away for me.
d - You can't pick which update version of a game you feel like playing. You can just pick to never update, or to have the newest version. Sometimes a new version of a game makes it unplayable or ruins a savegame or whatever.
Have not had savegame issues in a long time. If you want to play online, you normally need the newest anyway.
e - steam decides if you're allowed to cheat in a game, even in singleplayer. Consequences for cheating online aren't as unreasonable as with battle.net, but still it shouldn't meddle with what people can do in games they've bought.
No comment, i don't cheat in games.
f - the ui is very limiting. Searches are poorly designed, and title information is in many cases insufficient. For instance, when you're buying an older game it might come wrapped in a dosbox enviroment, though an opengl wrapper would've been available instead, deducing from the value of the game. This they ought to inform the user of really.
Some games are starting to list it. Most older games use dosbox for compatibility. The search function is very good with auto complete
g - then there are numerous bugs that limit the user. Like the steam client update system frequently hanging and leaving the user with the 'update 0%' window until such time the task is terminated.
I do not recall this issue, but it may happen on some configs. I would guess a relog into steam fixes it?
h - steam games sometimes still come with extra protection enabled, meaning you can end up having to sign in to both steam and games for windows or a similar system.
This is beyond there control. If the dev requires a certain DRM such as games for windows live, I guess you(and steam) are stuck with it. They clearly warn about this on the store page.
i - The gifting feature doesn't let users know they received a gift when they log on steam. So they can go ahead and buy the game even though their mailbox has a steam voucher for them (even when using 'send directly thru steam' when gifting. This is getting even worse when the steam client sometimes wrongly claim that a user already owns a given game, and you'd have to resend the title to a mail address instead of thru steam directly, requiring you to know the mail address of whomever you wish to gift a game.
90% of steam gifts I have sent showed up on screen right away. Sometimes(that left over 10%) you have to logout and back in. I never had it say they already owned a game. Once again, clearly it must happen. I am sure they are working out bugs like all software. Have you reported it?
j - finally there are all the neusances like the advertisement window that pops up on load, which I can't seem to find a switch to disable, or the fact that you can't have serveral store windows open at once although it's based on a firefox browser with tabbed browsing support. Also that some titles don't show up on the searches, while you can still click your way there using links is annoying.
View->Settings->Interface tab. Remove the check mark from "Notify me.........". Problem solved. You are so wrong about steam being based on firefox. Steam is based on Webkit. Webkit is the basis of Safari and Chrome, not firefox.

Just figured I would clear some of this up
 

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BWAHAHA! Go Steam! If these retailers want to survive they need to start adapting to the enviroment and stop with the whining. I love what Valve has done with Steam and if there is any company out there that I feel I can actually trust, it would be Valve. Can't say that about any other company.
 

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When I bought Supreme Commander from Game Stop the installer forced me to create a Steam Account. Then the game installed from Steam and not the DVD that I payed for. I actually found it pretty presumptuous on the publisher's part. If I wanted Steam on my system I would have purchased it from Steam. I can see why the retailers are getting a bit upset about this business practice. This is what I would consider an abusive Business practice.

From a customer's perspective I find this as a catch 22. I have to install Steam to install my game. If I refuse then I am stuck with a $40 game that I cannot return. I feel a need for some consumer rights and protections in the media industry.
 

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Steam is great, and I get most of my multiplayer-centric titles from it. However, Steam definitely lacks in a few key areas. Parental controls are AWOL, using more than one Steam account on a PC is a chore, and you cannot gift "used" titles to other people or accounts. As for offline mode, yes it is there, but you have to set it globally. It would be greatly improved if you could set it per title, so that single player games can be set that way by default, negating the need for extra work if one's internet is down.
 

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Of course, this plan to boycott any game with Steam could backfire, as gamers who want that game will be forced to skip the retailer entirely and go through Valve's service.
That's the only thing that will happen. Who will wait for the game to appear in stores again?
You go to the store, you ask for the game, they don't have it. You ask WHY? They say "Because Steam has it". Well where can I buy it then, I really want to play it!? Ahem..steam chrrr.
 
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Game retailers need to face the tough reality that 'brick-n-mortar' media distribution is over. Just look at the DVD rental business. I'm sorry for the small businesses hurt by this, but Steam was started as an alternative to the big publishers who have been abusing their stranglehold on the distribution channels, and is one of the precious few examples where the 'good guy' wins. Besides which, Steam just ROCKS!
 

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Do you think Steam has a frighteningly strong grip on the PC games market?

Somebody should. Microsoft could have. But they didn't. They let the PC game world languish to support XBOX. Now the Games for Windows is a joke, and they have no control, or online presence
 

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[citation][nom]neiroatopelcc[/nom]The steam concept works great, but you can never truely trust it. It's a very limiting system, not as much as battle.net but still very limiting.[/citation]
True, and steam has a somewhat shady past with a few black eyes for inventorying users computers. I remember they tried to laugh it off as a mistake but I personally think this excuse is bs.
 

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I went to steam because the games I bought in the store carry it. I didn't use it the first time, but eventually, I installed and used it since. It is perhaps too late for retailers to do anything now.. too late.
 

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“Publishers are creating a monster ­– we are telling suppliers to stop using Steam in their games.”
What makes my angry is that that guy would give everything in the world to become that monster.
 

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Ya...because game retailers where I live (Gamestop) really care about PC games. *Points to single pathetic three shelf high display of mostly old, crappy, used PC games. Then looks over and sees 100+ copies of WoW & WoW GTCs*
 

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[citation][nom]BrookH[/nom]Game retailers need to face the tough reality that 'brick-n-mortar' media distribution is over. Just look at the DVD rental business. I'm sorry for the small businesses hurt by this, but Steam was started as an alternative to the big publishers who have been abusing their stranglehold on the distribution channels, and is one of the precious few examples where the 'good guy' wins. Besides which, Steam just ROCKS![/citation]

DVD's yes.. games not so much.
Netflix is great.. but its not hd or even DVD quality.. but i do love it.. instant movie right to my desktop. But games.. well i can drive to wal-mart.. buy the game..drive home.. install.. go through steam hoops.. and play.. way before a i finish downloading a 5+ gig file.
until steam gives me instant game downloads... i will just go to Wally world.
 

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In Turkey you can not find retail game stores except large cities so Steam can help people reach that game without spending money for kargo. Also discount opportunities is what I am really interested in.

But personally I am really interested in box art, colorful game guide, promo discs etc. for a game I am really interested in.
 
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Wake up or end up like the Music industry! You can't ignore the future and keep on doing business as usual. Pretty soon you'll be suing kids and their Grand Parents just like the Big Music is.......
 

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@ nukemaster
Since your post is poorly formatted and sort of annoying to read I'll just address the most important stuff.
1) it doesn't pause downloads when I'm using a non steam game, nor when other people using the connection are playing games (it can't know that).
2) Okay so it may not be based on firefox, but it requires the firefox version of flash to be installed - and regardles, the other browsers support tabbed browsing too, which is sort of my point.
3) The search isn't good by any stretch. You can't even click to find mods that are free for the games you've installed, or click to only display free games, or apply any other useful filters or a price range. And since you don't have tabbed browsing, you have to click back to page 13 or whatever you were at after clicking on a title to see the details. Nor is there something that allows you to see new releases since you last checked the store. Hell even the release dates listed aren't trustworthy. Some games are listed as from 2008 when they've merely arrived at steam in 2008 but are older. And other games have inaccurate release info. Like one game that I preordered, that sais it'll be released 'november 2010' - we're halfway thru it, and it still isn't released - not even a date is added.
4) by assuming everybody is like you, you limit the use of steam to people like you. Not everybody is like you, and thus not everybody is content with being dictated by valve how things are supposed to work.

#4 is the most important one obviously.
 

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[citation][nom]saymi[/nom]In Turkey you can not find retail game stores except large cities so Steam can help people reach that game without spending money for kargo. Also discount opportunities is what I am really interested in.But personally I am really interested in box art, colorful game guide, promo discs etc. for a game I am really interested in.[/citation]
I miss the good old days.. when your game came in an actual box.. with a sofcover manual and maps. I still have my Darlklands book/manual. The artwork is beautiful.
 

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lol what is the difference between buying it at Best Buy, Fry's, Game Stop, or Steam. They are not complaining about other retailers carring the product... If they can't keep up in the changing market then to bad so sad :p Look at Block Buster they could not keep up with NetFlix.
 

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[citation][nom]cptnjarhead[/nom]I miss the good old days.. when your game came in an actual box.. with a sofcover manual and maps. I still have my Darlklands book/manual. The artwork is beautiful.[/citation]

Know the feeling!
I've saved the front of my mortal kombat 2 box for the sentimental value
 
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