(GAMERS ONLY) i7 vs 955/ is 300$ worth it?

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I haven't seen a game that would send the cpu to 100% load for the entire duration of the game. With that said, the intel chip would spend much less time in real world task at full load compared to the AMD chip. So it's real world power savings add up to much more then it's 17 watts at idle.

I admit power savings isn't a huge deal, so when strictly gaming the point maybe moot. But I don't know a single person who's spent 1000 dollars or more on a rig JUST to play video games. (except mybe for world of warcraft...)

A bit off topic but I've always bought intel not so much for their CPU's but for their chipsets. Given the size of intel any software company "inclucding MS" would be hard pressed not to test their stuff against a intel platform. Even windows vista has intel RAID drivers built in.
 
You're a pretty reasonable yet stubborn guy, kinda like me.... I just wanted to ask a question. Most of the benchmarks that you showed us included the core i7 920 at 2.66ghz. Its turbo is 2.8ghz. But most sites that benchmark its CPUs at 4.0ghz usually turn off turbo. So I was wondering if you could bring up some benchmarks where the clocks are even or close enough that it doesn't really matter. If you already have, I'm sorry I didn't take the whole time to read over everything, just click most of the links (I have the flu for the second time this year).

I'm also too lazy/tired to find them on my own, and I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, I just want someone to find benchmarks for me hahahaha.

As for price, it's kinda too hard to gauge... Prices for the 920 range from 200-280, for the pII, from 180-200. So we'll take averages, which is a 50$ difference CPUs alone. You do pay a premium for memory but you get a bit more. That difference might come in handy for memory intensive apps, but of course that doesn't really apply to everyone. If you're just playing games, I'm wondering if you can find any comparisons of 3gb triple channel vs 6gb triple channel :-\. That would make up the difference in mem and close the gap from 2gb to 1gb.

As for the motherboard, some would say that the x58 boards are "better quality," but I like your comparison of the boards (high end vs high end) so we'll keep it at that. All together, anywhere from 90 to up to 150 difference... Let's just compare benchies and see if the price to performance is really the same... I'll let you choose the benches as long as they make sense.

Have fun....
 
I didnt find a single bench comparing at the clock you asked..But take in consideration that the Phenom II itself was not overclocked...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/phenom-ii-x4-965-be-processor-review-test/16

This is the best I could bring, it compare a 965BE (955 stock overclocked) to a E975...
As you see the difference is only noticable at low resolutions, not at the "gamer" resolutions.
Also you asked for some quite "non common" questions... But It is said everywhere that after 4GB, you don't see a difference in games only by upgrading memory, it's quite known. Some even say 3GB is enough, but they need 4 for a 64bit operationg system.. Guess i couldnt really get you. XD
But I think that most of the benchies willl end up in both performing OVER 60FPS, thus making no big difference between both.
The interesting benchies are the one's where one of them fail, Like in Crysis, where a i7 is far under Phenom II 955 on crossfire. Sorry man, I really wish I could prove something, but there is nothing on the net...


Now you are talking budget so you need to compare the pII to the core i5 not the core i7

I can't. =/
It's like with the motherboard. Im throwing amd's best CPU versus Intel's best CPU. I don't consider i5 for MANY reason, first the very popular "LGA1156 is a dead socket", Also because of the Dualx8 scaling (even if people say that it doesnt really affect, we don't know with future GPU) And because you pay around the same price as a Phenom II 955. And now If a phenom II 955 goes head to head with a i7, I don't think we need to bring a lower CPU to the game... They will either perform the same, or Phenom II will win..

Then you bring up 6 core phenom that is not out yet. Umm lets see there will be a 6 core 17 soon also. AM3 days are limited. That socet has been out for a long time and is due to change soon. If amd wants to incorporate triple channel and 6 cores they will have to change the die size and pin arrangement thus a new socket.

Infortunatly for you, this socket is just beginning. If they didn't step to Triple channel theres a reason, and it's this :

http://www.insidehw.com/Reviews/Memory/Intel-Core-i7-Dual-Channel-vs.-Triple-Channel-Memory-Mode/Page-4.html

Theres no clear advantage, and if there is one, its small, then again, sometimes it's a disadvantage, like in the second test.

As for AM3 dying soon? it's FAR from happening man. FAR:
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15553/35/
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15557/35/
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15566/35/
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15567/35/
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15619/35/

Not only are ALL of those upcoming CPU socket AM3, but ALL of them are backward compatible with AM2+. And it will be available AT LEAST until 2012.
Once again, AMD doesnt only WIN the performance/price, it totaly snatch it away.

You want to see whats next for intel's praised LGA1156?
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15749/35/

Less cores, less cache, more price. This is what intel reserves to the so praised "mainstream" socket.

SLI on an amd will probably not happen and if it does it will be a long time since amd now owns ATI
and you know how Nvidia feels about ATi.

http://www.devindra.org/tech/2009/09/23/the-lucid-hydra-200-makes-multi-gpu-gaming-across-video-card-vendors-a-reality/
http://event.msi.com/mb/bigbang/

the Lucid Hydra 200. A chip integrated into motherboards that will revolutionize the dual GPU. With this chip, You can scale BETTER 2 Ati's or 2 Nvidia's, There is no more crossfire/sli. You want to know the BEST?
You can couple a Nvidia card with a ATI Card.
This cheap is suported by intel (So it seems like a real deal) MSI has already bought this chip for its new Big Bang LGA1156 mobo. We will see the result in 14 days. If it's true, MSI will start making motherboards for AM3 and LGA1366 also. All of those will be available before the holidays shopping.

You don't believe in Lucid Hydra?

http://www.xdevs.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.30

You can now certificate ANY motherboard to be able to use SLI.

The p2 has its place and is not a bad cpu, but unless the amd boards officially supports both sli and xfire I will not use them. You are just a ati/amd fanboy and it shows in all your posts. You are not objective in the least

Your "supporting" board will come before Xmas, You will be able to get it and couple Nvidia and ATI cards to your pleasure.
If you can't wait till then, you can just manually certificate your board to use SLI. I gave you the website.
Also you calling me a AMD fanboy, but you didnt give me any consistent reason NOT to be. I was able to contradict, and by far, any of your comments. If I can get the same performance for ~300$, then I have a HELL of a reason to be a fanboy. Also for the pricing, this is canada of course. Even the 150$ dna708 proposed as a "middle" is enough to upgrade the GPU I was gonna get, to a better one, making the AMD build winner In performance again. Why not be a fanboy? Intel was not able to get me, AMD did, So im a PROUD fanboy of the best performance for my buck.


And most PC gamers I know have the best system they can afford and dont skrimp on anything, of course most gamers I know are not kids.

I still belive there a reason why in the System Builder Marathon, they named the LESS EXPENSIVE PC, a Gaming Pc. Because you don't need more then that to get the most of your PC. 1000$ is the maximum (MAX. My friends rig was a Q6600 with 8800GTS 512 and he can still play ANY current game except crysis on 1680x1025 with 60FPS. Total cost? 800$ Canada) you can pay for ONE OF THE best PC in gaming that will last at LEAST 1 years.


 
First off you can not certify a board to be sli. For a board to be certified for sli it must be sent to Nvidia or approved by nvidia. Hacks are not certifications. Problem with being a fanboy is you are a fanatic and no matter what proof you are provided you will delude yourself in thinking you are always right. You are just a Kid that has not been around long enough to see how the computer industry works or has done over many decades. You have not been around to see all the ups and downs from each manufacturer. You are not objective and will never see the truth, just what you want to see and you rant about it trying to convince everyone else you are right when many with far more knowledge have shown truth and experience. Buy what you want but stop trying to prove a point that is not correct. I can configure a cheaper core i7 system that will outperform the best pII system you can come up with. If the am3 board supported everything the high end 17 boards did then it would be just as expensive. Hey I am done with this thread as there is no way to show someone the truth when they are fanatics. I might consider a pII for a HTPC for a customer, but for pretty much everyone uses thier pc for more than just gaming or watching tv and I build the best system for their money I can. You keep comparing a stock pII to a stock I7 920 and say it beats it in a few selected benchies but when you clock them the same the the i7 surpasses the pII. Then you say it does not count if it goes past 60fps. Again doing what you can to convince yourself you are right. I am not a poor gammer and neither are my friends or customers and verry few of them go for the pII because it is not the best performer. Last time AMD was on top in the cpu market was when the amd 64 was released and then the x2. The intel released the c2d and they have held the crown since.
 
Good points especially the one about Lucid Hydra. I really hope that scaling is as good as they claim it is. I also wonder how CPUs will fare along with 2GPUs at their most efficient scaling level. It'd be great to see them on every platform and tear down some of the old barriers that are stopping people from moving to an AMD platform or Intel platform.

As for the point about socket longevity, I actually see very little value in comparing something that isn't technically already "dead."

Truth is, in 5 years time, both companies will have already moved to new sockets. It's basically inevitable. What's also true is that your idea about "poor" or "price oriented" gamers will build a PC that requires the least amount of upgrades. Going i5/i7/pII by this mindset means that these gamers probably won't upgrade their CPU's for at least over 1.5 years. Above all, 6 core CPUs are basically irrelevant since they most likely won't substantial improvement in games and also because, as I said, gamers would not upgrade their current i5/i7/pII to an i9/pII x6. It is also true that AM3 will last at least another 1.5 years making a CPU upgrade possible while the s1156 may not support another substantial upgrade.

Of course, that fact aside, this all boils down to one component of the computer in the gamer's mind: the GPU (namely 1 or multiple GPUs). Someone like me usually goes for a good single GPU upgrade rather than adding in another GPU for SLi/CF (or w/e Lucid is going to call it). By that logic, having a s1156 would not be all too bad. It still uses a x16 PCIe slot if it's only one card. And I probably wouldn't have a problem upgrading the socket in 1.5-2.5 years. Hell, the CPU would still be able to run games decently especially if it was an i7 with HT.

If it were two or more GPUs, then i5 would be out of the question, but because people do like have 1 strong GPU, I don't think that we should take i5 out of the equation. I hope we can agree that a s1156 CPU is comparable to the pII's.

The next question is, where will that extra 150-300$ put us if we chose the pII system? We could put it in a current stronger GPU. But then when the next cycle of GPU's come, we're in the same position as anyone with i7 money-wise. If we use it for a second add in GPU, it would definitely be a cheap upgrade. But the fact is, ATi has already proven that each of its newer generation GPUs usually are able to compete with its previous generation's flagship dual GPU. So now both systems are roughly the same in the future.

So now we have to approach the original differences. What will help us in the future more? It's a vague answer truthfully. Sure i7 has HT, but would people with an i7 really stick with that CPU when it comes time for them and their AMD competitors to upgrade? Probably not. People generally upgrade whether or not they already have something that will suit them if they haven't upgraded in 2-3 years. If these gamers decided to keep their CPUs for 5 years, however, Intel's technology would truly shine. Apps would be better suited for more cores/threads.

Of course this is all speculation, but I feel most of it is valid :-\.
 
First of all, Im gonna ask you to make PARAGRAPHS.
You comment is a real mess to read, I dont even want to look at it but let's go ONCE AGAIN.

First off you can not certify a board to be sli. For a board to be certified for sli it must be sent to Nvidia or approved by nvidia. Hacks are not certifications.

Ok so? I bet your windows was downloaded over torrent, or maybe games you play? whats the difference here?? That "hack" (its just a tweack of a stupid mistake nvidia made, just like CoolBits used to be.) let you put Nvidia GPU on AMD mobo, so your point was still pointless.

Problem with being a fanboy is you are a fanatic and no matter what proof you are provided you will delude yourself in thinking you are always right. You are just a Kid that has not been around long enough to see how the computer industry works or has done over many decades. You have not been around to see all the ups and downs from each manufacturer. You are not objective and will never see the truth, just what you want to see and you rant about it trying to convince everyone else you are right when many with far more knowledge have shown truth and experience. Buy what you want but stop trying to prove a point that is not correct.

Okay and the point is?? that has NOTHING to do with the subject, just cause you werent able to contradict me doesnt mean you have to get into emotional state and what more, say BULLSHIT.
It has NOTHING to do with this subject and I can ASSURE you that I know FAR enough into computing. I am into computing since the age of 3, first for gaming, But moved very fast to programming. My dad is a Database administrator, so you can understand that Computer is MY world. Next time you wanna claim something, Shut. Up and concentrate on trying to CONTRADICT my thesis.

And my post is not correct??? then explain how you STILL werent able to find a better build then the one I made for a better price?? Explain how my build sometimes perform better then a i7? You have NO explanation, only emotional rage because you fail and your getting mad over a little 17 year old pwning your @ss.

can configure a cheaper core i7 system that will outperform the best pII system you can come up with. If the am3 board supported everything the high end 17 boards did then it would be just as expensive.

WRONG. The price of Asus Crosshair III is 200 and it's the BEST am3 motherboard. If you want to be cheap, pick a super weak mobo for 250. If you wan't to have ANY chance of fighting my build (The mobo was not even used in benchmarks, it was the "hyper flooding error" one the m4something deluxe. This mobo performs even better ESPECIALLY in crossfire) your better picking a 300~350$ mobo.

I might consider a pII for a HTPC for a customer, but for pretty much everyone uses thier pc for more than just gaming or watching tv and I build the best system for their money I can.

DO you realize that THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS THREAD?? that Im TALKING ABOUT PPL THAT ONLY GAME OR WATCH TV???
the first bold line of my review: ONCE AGAIN I DO SAY THAT INTEL BEATS AMD IN PERFORMANCE SO PLEASE KEEP YOUR EGO DOWN:
So your telling me youv been arguing with me over **** for the past hours? Learn to read mister IknowthelifeofsomeoneInevermet.
OF COURSE i7 is a better CPU. NO SH!t? you don't need to be smart to realize that?
How many time did I admit this in this whole thread? I kept repeating,repeating,stressing, MORE stressing, THAT THIS WHOLE THREAD IS FOR FKIN GAMERS.
You realize how stupid you look? You basically called me a fanboy, said that I have No experience in computing while i probably have more then you, and alot of things im skipping, but you don't even know what Im talking about?? Get the fk out of this thread please your a waste of time.

You keep comparing a stock pII to a stock I7 920 and say it beats it in a few selected benchies but when you clock them the same the the i7 surpasses the pII.

NO benchmark exist comparing both overclocked, but Because none exist, lets make some math:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/charts/index.php?pid=69,70,76,77&tid=2

i7 from 2.66 to 3.16 was overclocked by 0.5 for a 3fps advantage. To reach the so praised 4.1mhz we need to overclock by 0.10 so 6 fps

so NORMALLY, the end result is 71 vs 65 FPS. Wow? Big deal? and I payed 300$ for that??
Of course because no benchmark exist, we had to make our own little calculus even if it isnt 100% correct, it's enoug to "compare". Plus were comparing 2 different cpu's, the 965 will generally perform better then a 920. So your little overclock crap is not worth my cash.

Then you say it does not count if it goes past 60fps.

You ever heard about Monitor refresh rate? MOST of the monitors are set to 60hz. wich is 60fps. So ANYTHING over 60 fps will not be displayed. You will only see the game at the maximum your monitor can show, wich is 60. So it's normal to say that anything over this is not worth mentioning because you won't profit from it ANYWAY. So once again, the extra cash you pay is for frames you will never see.

Again doing what you can to convince yourself you are right. I am not a poor gammer and neither are my friends or customers and verry few of them go for the pII because it is not the best performer.

OR very few of them take the time to go look on internet, get enough benchmarks and realize that 300$, thats a sh!tload of cash. And that couldv been spent on a better GPU, for a REAL better performance in what gamers only care about : GAMES.
Not everyone has the time to do that. Thats why OEM computers have been made. Prebuilt for the people to lazy to learn how to use a computer properly.

Last time AMD was on top in the cpu market was when the amd 64 was released and then the x2. The intel released the c2d and they have held the crown since.

ONCE AGAIN, where did I say just a SINGLE time that OVERALL, the phenom II 955 was a better CPU and that it held the crown??
Nowhere. Where, do, you, get, this, fake, info??
Did you read?? like just a single sentence? you just don't look like. How can you help customers if you can't even read a simple text?
Never, did I claim this. I only said that for 300$, i7 come with no bang over the phenom II FOR GAMERS AND PEOPLE THAT DON'T VIDEO ENCODE/ZIP.

Now you either write in paragraphs, forget the emotion and try to actually find something that will contradict my review, or you simply let some better people try, like dna who's holding me in a choke hold for now.

Problem with being a fanboy is you are a fanatic and no matter what proof you are provided you will delude yourself in thinking you are always right.

Yeah...maybe because you showed me NO PROOF???
Only things u wrote yourself. You call that proofs? I showed you enough benchmark to convince even the most fan intel boy inthe world. Once again, maybe he would have been mature enough to say " yes that's true but Im still going with i7 because blablablabla"
I am not forcing a build to no one here. I just want people to find and convince ME in where a i7 build would benefit me for my buck in gaming.

The intel released the c2d and they have held the crown since.

The performance crown. AMD still, and will forever hold the performance/price Crown.
funny how you can pay 300$ to get that LGA1366. then, the i9 will cost 100$ more then the Core 6 thuban from AMD, making you lose once again money if all you do is game or surf/watch movies.
Of course, whenever I feel like programing or doing some ubuntu tests, I don't hesitate in using my dad's i7 wich is faster for THIS SPECIFIC type of use.
 
Yup all of what you said makes sense.

just a few "weak" points tho

Most of what I read on forum about poor and budget gamers is that, They build a cheap rig, that will be able to play anything on the current year. The next year, they usually sell it for a little 100~150$ rebate at worst times 200$ at best times same price they build it (My own friend did that with his Q6600/8800GTS512). Then they either add a little money missing, or use the same money if they were lucky and build a new year-proof gaming rig.
First time I saw this "technique" was with my friend, But I was astonished to see MANY gamers do this in forums, even the one that get's the latest technology.
Damn couldnt find the comment where he say it himself that he always sell his computers but chek him out for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF0HAAm5UGs
He has around 10 videos, one for every computer he bought and sold for around the same price 2 months later.

This is how gamers do to save their money. In fact a gamer never buy a long lasting computer because he is aware that technology upgrades every single month.

As for AM3, the last CPU we know off is scheduled for 2012 and it's a 12 core. This socket still has enough life in it to be worth the buy over LGA 1156.

Yes, a i5 build is extremly decent for single GPU. I was about to get one myself. But I tasted the power of dual GPU on my dad's i7, I simply cannot take a single GPU anymore and any gamers who tried this a single time will never single GPU again... And If you chek the computer specs under people's comment, You will see that MANY, as in MANY use dual GPU. That's why I took it as an "important" part for a gamer.

But yes you are totaly right, i5 is comparable to PII especially on price.

As for the last part, the one that made me think abit, My final plausible answer is that:If you decide to pay that 300 to get a better GPU, you payed the same price, but your rig is definitly more powerfull for the same price, and will probably let you keep this build for a good 2 years if you don't intend on selling it, While with i7, not only did you start by paying 300 for a less performant gaming rig, but you will have to get another card after one year if you want to keep up.
However, you can still choose to save the 300$. The two computers would have the same performance, but with one who cost 300$ less. So it's really up to HOW you use the money, and not HOW MUCH you save.
The BANG for the BUCK.

But you are right, we are both talking about a "perfect" situation, but there is so many thing's that can come into play that in the end, it really depends on the actual buyer.

Good job tho, your the first one to make a real full consistent comment.
But I still think that 300$, thats alot of money man! 😗

 
What is wrong with you is AMD giving you a share of its profits to support it to death?

Actual i7 give better performance in gaming. Also i7 (with slower GPU) beat the PII (with faster GPU).

You are so big fanboy that you cannot see in front of you that the Phenom II 955 will bottleneck 2 HD5870’s, in fact the PII 955 is already bottlenecking 2 HD4890’s so let alone the 2 HD5870’s. On the other hand i7 will not bottleneck 2 HD5870’s simply because the i7 is a more powerful CPU.

Admit that the i7 is a faster CPU and better buy for most of the people that need this kind of performance. All of your posts are pure nonsense and you are not wiling to stop posting nonsense. There is no point to argue anymore with you…
 
I think you've answered your own question...

The main reason so many gamers buy i7 is for bragging rights but it goes a little deeper than that.

Gamers pay a premium for their computers all the time, why do they buy dual/Triple/quad GPU's when with each card added only gives a small percentage increase in real world performance? Bragging rights as well as the feeling they have the best system possible for their needs at the time.

This is why ATI v's nVidia and intel v's AMD was such a battleground, gamers want a piece of the performance crown, Why? Because gaming is one of the main areas in computing that ALWAYS needs more. Just when you thought you had the ultimate games machine along comes a game that makes your machine run badly, Crysis anyone? Because of this gamers will pay the crazy money for GPU's and CPU's even when the benefits are not always going to be felt by them personally or are not proportional to the cost, to them it doesn't matter, what matters is the holy grail, performance!

Also paying the premium now gives a small sense of futureproofing even though there is a deliberate shelf live designed into every component for the PC. You can have a perfectly good motherboard that you can't get a decent CPU for because they changed the pin count from 940 to 939, etc, etc... Every PC has a life span, there will always come a time when you want to upgrade something but you realise that to do this you'll have to upgrade everything.

To try to combat this gamers buy the best they can afford/obtain the money for even if the benefit is only in their mind.

Why do you think AMD v's intel and ATI v's nVidia was so important to the companies involved? Because the winning component will improve sales for all lesser components in the range, everyone wants a piece of the action.

You are right, it's not good value, but we just can't help striving for the best...
 

i7 is surely a waste for gamers, but how about i5?

I would definitely go with i5 with its price not being so much different from the P II 955/965, beating the Q9650 and of course the 955(which is on par with Q9550) easily. Beside, the power consumption of i5 is ~30% less.
 


1. & 3. Strongly agree

2. Not merely for gamers, but for all peoples in the U.S.
 
I got bored reading all the BS that bboynatural has to say. it's so obvious that people don't give a damn when buying gamin pc, i admit that i prefer AMD compared to intel, but talking all this BS just to prove how PII is awesome is ridicules.

All of your arguments comes from 2 sites, why don't you provide us with links from guru3d or any other.

I do agree that PII can do all gamers tasks just fine, but if i can get something better just for a bit more (10 quid, if you compare PII 955 189$ ar newegg, and i7 920 at microcenter, of course not everyone has ability to go to microcenter). it's so obvious that i would choose i7, couse upcommin cpu's for 1366 platform will be more future proof.

Well you can say that Bulldozer will rape (you like this word so much) intel, but till that time intel can come with more ideas how to "rape" AMD. I hope that AMD's Bulldozer will be awesome CPU and will be able to beat intel (after intels domination cpu market for ages). At current market i can't see people going for AMD 🙁 even i5 with it's 750 beats AMD, not having x16 support it doesn't loose a thing, cause as you said most of the gamers uses 1280 1440 or 1650 screen resolution, at those setting x8 doesn't affect anything x16 comes to play only on high resolutions. And yes if i had less money i would go with i5 😀 (remember i'm favouring AMD)

Conclusion: PII is nice cpu that can compete with C2Q, but it's not worth the money you need to pay for it, when you can get better performance from i5 or i7 :) . And it doesn't matter that most of us uses 60hz , it's all about those figures that you can see on TH, guru3d and any other site, where i7 dominates!

P.S. sorry for my english, and random thoughts (hangover)...
 

Man............. That's what I was going to say. 🙁
 
Do haters actually see that still NO ONE provided me with a single proof or what they are saying? that i7 can beat phenom II 955 so badly that I don't even have to argue??

No. The only type of comment here is teenager comments such as : you suck, your bullsh1t, we hate you.

K. I still win.
If you go to a more mature forum
http://forums.overclockersclub.com/index.php?showtopic=168710
You see that there is NO comments like that, In fact, I got more praise then anything else.
That came from mature people that understood in what is Phenom II 955 better then i7, and the only people that DID say I was wrong, PROVIDED ME with some links. While here, no one did. Well yes, the smarts that stopped replying. Im left arguing with teenagers and idiot about how money is important and should not be wasted for no reason.
 
michaelmk86 continue like that, your only proving that I still win.

SO funny, you cannot contradict a SINGLE word I say and THIS is what you end up saying??? =D
You just declared my winning ceremony by saying something so stupid.

This is a forum, I have the right to talk. Your not happy because I owned you in every single thing you said? Then run back and cry to mommy.

As you see, Mod are way smatter then you are, and understand that there is no reason to ban me, I didnt say nothing wrong.
If you think that saying 955 is better then i7 is a blasphemy, then sucks to be you.
Quit the QQ and provide me with some benchies.
You dont have?
shut up. =)
 
Do haters actually see that still NO ONE provided me with a single proof or what they are saying? that i7 can beat phenom II 955 so badly that I don't even have to argue??

None of us said that i7 can beat Phenom II so badly in games, we are just saying that i7 is a brainier choice with the minimal price difference in the U.S.

In addition, Phenom II is no match to i7 at all in video encoding and so most peoples are willing to pay for the minimal premium to get an i7 instead.
 
Phenom II not only lose to the i7 but Intel's mainstream i5 as well. This really makes them out of most peoples' choices.

Personally, I would only consider the Phenom II if they are at least 15% cheaper than the i5.

What AMD need now is effort instead of sympathy.
 
Phenom II get beaten up by i5/i7 so badly with 2 GFX in CF/SLI according to many benchmarks and so people at locations with very cheap GFX price(e.g. U.S.) tend to get i7.

By the way, the i5 is not attractive as well in the U.S. with the i7 price being so amazing there. I would definitely get the i7 without a second thought if I lived there.

 
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