(GAMERS ONLY) i7 vs 955/ is 300$ worth it?

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I fail to see how changing the minimum threshold somehow makes your point valid. They're all well over 60FPS, damn near double for all of them. Why spend more for a Phenom II when a low-mid end C2Q works just as well?

What graphics card are those benchmarks using?
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2 HD 4890 on crossfire.
And the reason why not go C2Q i simply because LGA775 is dead, while AM3 will have 6 and 8 cores soon.
Enough of a reason.

Well I posted the facts, now the rest is up to what YOU want and what YOU have. Theres no trolling here, only FACTS.
 
i7 920s cost an amazing $200 at Microcenter.

PhenomIIs are on the same level of the upper Core2Quads.

Yes, I suppose in a specific game and in a specific setting, a PhenomII x4 will be able to beat an i7. But then again, a Core2Duo E8500 can beat a PhenomII x4 and an i7 in a specific game and specific setting as well.

Overall, the i7 dominates the PIIx4, just like a PIIx4 would dominate a C2D E8500

The Intel competition for PhenomIIs in terms of price and performance is still technically the Core2Quads and the new i5s, not the i7s.
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True but once again, Technology evolve so much so fast, will wastin 300$ and STILL have to upgrade your rig when new technology comes out worth it?
While you can save those 300$, get SAME performance for that year, and probably the next one AND start with a saved 300$ for next year? that would be enough to upgrade to the Q1 2010 6cores from AMD, and probably RAPE the i7 in terms of performance.
Now I bet people will say that 6 cores will never beat i7, whatever. It's so pointless if even benchmarks are backing me up, and still some people find a way to tell that the 300$ extra your gonna pay for i7 is worth it.
Some people will simply NEVER be convinced, no matter how hard you try and how right you are.
 
please close it again randomizer - the OP is contradicting himself, doing all the flaming himself and frankly is difficult to understand with such atrocious spelling and grammar.
 
And on what do you claim that?
Give me just one good reason proving that this whole thread is only made over bullsh1t?
Anybody can say anything they want.
I did say what I wanted, but at least, I made a solid thread proving my point, and many admited that nothing here is bad, not true or contradictory.
Once again, give us, readers, only ONE good reason why we would buy the i7 for MUCH more money and not go with the 955BE.
One proof that is solid and cannot be contradicted.
The whole forum is waiting.

Don't make a fool of yourself, this thread is aimed at GAMERS trying to get the maximum out of their budget. If you say anything such as i7 outperforms phenom II 955 in speed/applications/whatever, You should clearly learn to read and accept "atrocious spelling and grammar" that nobody whined about.
I don't want to write in a good way, and yet everybody here understood the point, only a few whined and were easily contradicted by me or someone else.

Also
http://forums.overclockersclub.com/index.php?showtopic=168710
As you see here, the number of people claiming that this is trolling or bullsh1t are even fewer, so unless you can give us a proof that you are smarter then 40 people, You just made yourself look like an idiot who can't help but whine over grammar.
 

Not really, I like warranty's and official certification so which AM3 board should I get that can run SLi or Xfire?
 
None. O.O
Not yet at least. Maybe with the Hydra 200 MSI motherboards that will be on AM3 too? wait till xmas :)
Well I think that someone that goes with a AMD build is more of a performance/build guy....so MOST of the time, that person will OBVIOUSLY buy ATI.
Now In case for some crazy reason (like to pay more for less due to the 5000 serie of ATI overperforming most of nvidia, AND at a good performance/price) you still want to get nvidia card, then your gonna have to eat your pride and what you like, and do the http://www.xdevs.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.30 method. =D

We can't be perfect can we? ;D
 
And this answer break the whole point of this thread,that this is for gamers, and USUALLY, gamers are more "poor" then most of the people.

You cited a situation that is not likely to happen, at least not until nvidia release the SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME Fermi...
So unless you are extremly stupid and like to waste more for less, OR physx seems like the SH!!T for you, then why are you buying nvidia cards when ati is DOMINATING them in EVERY range...?
This exception would have been a smart one IF nvidia had competing cards... but when this:

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15919/34/

Is happening to Nvidia, I think this post is a very rare issue where you will have no choice but to waste 300$ just for the cpu, then probably 100$ more for that nvidia card you want.
Nonsens from so many levels.
 

Speak for yourself. :kaola:

No, the stupidity is your inability to see anything other than your own rather narrow opinion, for some of us an i7 is a more attractive proposition and just because ATi have the lead at the moment it may not remain that way thus leaving ones options open would seem like a prudent and rather shrewd move in some circles.
 


Nop! :sol:
Why does the SBM lowest price rig is also named GAMING rig? Because you usually don't need more then that to get the MOST out of your gaming and that most gamers only have enough bucks to get that rig. Of course they could use a little upgrades in someplaces making the gaming rig better for a few bucks more but the budget is specified before they start thinking about the actual rig.



I never claimed that AMD was THE ONE AND ONLY.
Never did I say that.

I never said that If you have a fixed budget of 1500$ then you SHOULD buy the Phenom II 955 NO MATTER WUT.

I said that If your building from ground, and are on a low budget, that you would get even MORE performance for your buck IN GAMING by forgeting this stupid CPU trend, and use that extra 300$ your saving on i7 and buy another GPU, making your rig better in GAMING (im tired of stressing this one point that makes the whole difference.) then someone who got his super special awesome brand new shiny silicon i7.

Also as I said, You CAN go nVidia, many (MYSELF and MANY PEOPLE HERE) just think that given the current situation, it would be quite...not inteligent.





No your right. In fact, by the time ATI will have some serious competition, the 6 cores Thuban will be released, probably over performing i7 with the usual super affordable AMD price, and even MSI's Big Bang motherboard will hit market, making once again AMD the winner in the performance/price zone no matter WHAT gpu you want.


Now if you have the money, buy WHATEVER YOU WANT.
This thread isnt even aimed at people who already decided on a budget and on a build, it's made for people still asking if they should go i7 while they are still on a low budget.
 
Personally when it comes down to roughly equal performance(NOT that it actually does, I will not argue that at this point), it comes down to what you care about more; bragging rights, value(price/perf.), or brand preference. Whatever someone chooses is their choice.

And your starting to make me think that your just trying to get people angry and or draw attention to yourself. Congratz.
 
Youd be surprised that this whole thread started in the GPU section with a dude that claimed that AMD was a failure in the industry after I said that Intel will have issues fighting them in the GPU domain with Larrabee.

I had to put him back to his place, thus making this quick comparison that had no actual reason to be, since it all depends on what you would Like, but just to prove that AMD wasnt lame, it was just underrated by trollers all over the forums. But his future reply's made me think what does the forum's community think about this whole i7 trend in the Gaming market.
So here it is, your free to post any thing you want.


Im free to answer.
There's no getting angry, no drawing attention.
If we can't even write what we want in forums, then what's the point of a forum in the first place?


bboynatural


way to be bias intel clearly wins in cpu for years against AMD, AMD bleeds money like a hemophiliac.


Hell Nvidia is worth the same as AMD+ATI combined and frankly i think ATI carries AMD even though AMD bought them.


Intel currently wins in the ~$180+ range or about 150$ and up. And intel cpu's still beat amd below that when you oc them. Although it's great that AMD finally sure-ed up the $120 and blow range at stock speed but frankly intel is much more of a brand name and is more likely to be bought by someone, hell they advertise when was the last time you saw AMD commercial. The most AMD does is slap a sticker on a laptop or computer.


Everyone by now should know first fermis and crap is high end business and server cards, basically Tesla replacements.


Nvidia looks like it wants to make a move into those sectors pretty much only in competition with cpu's, nvidia wants to fill a niche and believes they can make a good sum of money in the super computing niche, which as it can run assembly and c++ nativity if it's given great support which i'm guessing nvidia will provide it could do quite well.


Nvidia is pushing the high end gaming market in the back burners. Which i think is a bad thing nvidia the way it's mean to be played is very important to pc gaming that's a lot of money leaving pc game development when the pc gaming industry is pretty much in a steep decline in terms of game quality and number per a year. Is it a good thing well as long as Nvidia focuses on gaming market at the $150 price range it wont hurt them much at all imo that is were the most cards are bought 70-150 range is the most important. So w.e Nvidia decides to do it probably will do fine hell it has been turning a profit for years so unless they made some really bad gambles it's unlikely it will change.
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The actual stupid comment that started it all.
 
I just wonder why people over there

http://forums.overclockersclub.com/index.php?showtopic=168710

took this thread with more maturity and respect

They didnt insult me, said I was trolling, Claimed that it was all bs or wtv.
They understood the POINT of the thread, the PEOPLE it was aimed too, and thus, congratulated the thread for it's original purpose : Helping indecisive gamers that can't go around and do some research on their own

Many people here on toms did too, thats why I have around 700 views, with only 60 answers. Because the actual smart people either said that this thread was very well done, or just didn't comment because they probably don't even care about gaming or about money.
 

Said no, but continually implying so yes, that together with referring to anyone who disagrees with you as 'stupid' is becoming rather tiresome.

 
Anybody that still claims that for someone who only game, going i7 is best then going Phenom II 955 witouth any proof, just personal emotion/fanatism
While I take time to gather the best proofs that One build is better then the other for your money, is rather stupid yes.
Not because he claims so.
Because he do so witouth ANYTHING TO BACK HIM UP, while I have 3 different review backing my point of view.

ONCE AGAIN, AND FOR THE LAST DAMN TIME, I AM TALKING PERFORMANCE/PRICE WISE.
THE LOWEST BUILD FOR THE SAME PERFORMANCE USUALLY WIN WITOUTH ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTION. ONCE AGAIN ONLY IF YOU GAME, NOT VIDEO ENCODE OR WTV.

Any CONSISTENT claim that I am wrong anywhere? that i7 REALLY is worth the 300$ WHEN YOU ONLY GAME?
 
By only game, I was stressing that you do not use the "cpu killer" applications like zipping/video encoding.
A computer can also be used to surf the internet, post facts on forums and get flammed, chat on msn, watch video's and many other activities that having a i7 won't change sh!t. Phenom II 955 is WAY more then good enough for multi tasking.
 
Even video gamers need to pay the bills. The core i7 has much lower idle power consumption. So when your listening to music or downloading the latest patch. (If your like me you do this every tuesday.) the core i7 has it's merits.

 


Really. Enable hyper threading and it helps out significantly with multitasking. Now you are talking budget so you need to compare the pII to the core i5 not the core i7. Then you bring up 6 core phenom that is not out yet. Umm lets see there will be a 6 core 17 soon also. AM3 days are limited. That socet has been out for a long time and is due to change soon. If amd wants to incorporate triple channel and 6 cores they will have to change the die size and pin arrangement thus a new socket. SLI on an amd will probably not happen and if it does it will be a long time since amd now owns ATI and you know how Nvidia feels about ATi. The p2 has its place and is not a bad cpu, but unless the amd boards officially supports both sli and xfire I will not use them. You are just a ati/amd fanboy and it shows in all your posts. You are not objective in the least.And most PC gamers I know have the best system they can afford and dont skrimp on anything, of course most gamers I know are not kids.
 
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