Gamers say "There's No point to conroe"

[mpjesse]

I've been looking in some other forums from different places, and unlike here where conroe is all the craze, they couldn't care less. Its not just conroe they don't care about, its almost any high end processor. The common theme is why pay for an x6800 or FX-62 when i can get a x2 3800, 4200, or e6300 and get the same results in the game or close to it for a fifth of the price? They also acknowledge how faster cpu's help people with CAD, and stuff like that, but since most people don't do that there is no point. It seems to me that people on this forum are somewhat "misguided" for recommending such highend cpu's for gaming, or even buying them themselves. I also think that conroe, although not the case here, could benifit AMD buy lowering prices and giving more exposure of AMD to normal people. I know you will also say that the e6300 can overclock past an FX-62, but in response to that, people arn't willing to pay the higher price for that cpu, nor the very expensive motherboard required to overclock like that. They also seem to like the idea of the new EE chips from AMD, and disregard C2D's slighty higher power consumption, and performance. AMD has also respinded to this with the new x2 3600, and i think it will catch on. Anway i think this will benifit AMD because by the time we need chips like the x6800 and FX-62 to run all games on high settings, AMD will have the crown back and will maybe have all price points covered, plus additional exposure to normal consumers. I see 30% marketshare in the not too distant furture 8)

for gaming, you're absolutely right. unless you're an extreme budget gamer with a 6800 or x800 series GPU, conroe isn't going to benefit you much in gaming. I've got an X2 4200+ and I can run every single game (with the exception of Oblivion) at 1600x1200 with maximum settings. no hiccups whatsoever. (I must admit I'm running SLI, but still... it's cheaper to get an SLI setup than it is to upgrade to C2D)

in the end, for what it would cost to get a C2D, new board, and new memory you could run a dual 7900GT setup and get way more FPS than any single C2D... or better yet, a x1900xt crossfire setup. those damned x1900xt's are going for $320 a piece now! cheap!

the ONLY way C2D makes sense in gaming is if you happen to have a compatible mobo and the proper RAM already. but if you're going from an AMD system or an older P4 system (earlier LGA775 or S478), buying a SLI or Crossfire setup with get you a lot further than going to C2D.

just my opinion. 🙂

 

[turpit]

they dropped the ati name already,,i suspect they have gone for the full absorption,and corporate namelessness that is common with such aquisitions.
if i had to guess,they will squelch ati's tech altogether to stay in bed with nvidia,,,,a sad but important move at this time.
i can only pray that they evolve the ati tech as it would be stupid to dump it,and in the future it would bite them hard.

Huh? Where did you hear that? I heard rumors, but nothing definate. What could happen is that AMD could rebrand and keep the chipset department. If that was the case, though, AMD wouldn't have needed to buy out the GPU part, unless the IGP was part of that divison, which they would want...this is horribly confusing. On top of that, how can they rebrand a company they don't even own? The deal couldn't have been finalized already, could it?


I'll fall back on plan B: Relabel ATi Video card boxes to read:
"AMD presents...an ATi designed GPU!" [/Manipulative Hollywood Producer]


There were a bunch of article's about a week or so ago claiming AMD had stated it was going to drop the ATI name. Big debates about it here at THG forums.

Peace

 

[Crashman]

Jesse, you're not making enough exceptions. If you require a new motherboard and RAM anyway, whether you choose Core2 Duo or X2 is more a matter of personal preference than money.

What is this "if you require a new motherboard and RAM anyway" stuff I speak of? I think you forgot that the most common platform types being used now are AGP-erra. Most of the people who "need" a new processor also "need" a new motherboard. Most people who upgrade now won't be upgrading from 939, but more likely a 754 AGP platform or an earlier Intel system.

 

[1Tanker]

I can't leave guys alone for a minute

Just remember, You said it, we didnt.

Let the Brokeback Baron jokes beginOkay....i couldn't let this opportunity pass by. This explains why he finds cyborg_ninja-117's sig so offensive. :? Baron Dominatrix?

 

[cyborg_ninja-117]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
brokeback matrix :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

he cant quit amd

 

[Caboose-1]

Hey everyone! It is me again! I have a question some of you might be able to answer: How in the name of all that is holy did this thread make it to ten pages?

Just asking, because I thought we decided that this thread was worthless after the first five pages.

 

[1Tanker]

Hey everyone! It is me again! I have a question some of you might be able to answer: How in the name of all that is holy did this thread make it to ten pages?

Just asking, because I thought we decided that this thread was worthless after the first five pages.

All i can say is that i'm glad it wasn't titled Gamers say "There's NO point to AMD". BM would have dragged it out to at least 20 pages. 8O

 

[turpit]

we have all added to the tune of 5 pages with this rant.
its unbelievable what we choose to add to in these forums when there are much worthier posts. 8)
and it seems like the amd fanboys are still in shock.hopefully their "I
told you so mentality will be realized with am2 @65nm.
and finally the best hands down bang for the performance buck is the conroe 6400 according to my dog and anandtech.
it would help if a person were to base a topic on facts not forums opinions. :roll:

Now arent you glad this thread hasnt been locked yet?

I can't leave guys alone for a minute

Just remember, You said it, we didnt.

Let the Brokeback Baron jokes beginOkay....i couldn't let this opportunity pass by. This explains why he finds cyborg_ninja-117's sig so offensive. :? Baron Dominatrix?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :trophy:
This ones a serious contender

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
brokeback matrix :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

he cant quit amd

:lol: :lol: Had I been drinking something when I read this, it very well may have exited my mouth via my nose.


Peace

 

[turpit]

Hey everyone! It is me again! I have a question some of you might be able to answer: How in the name of all that is holy did this thread make it to ten pages?

Just asking, because I thought we decided that this thread was worthless after the first five pages.

11 pages

 

[turpit]

we have all added to the tune of 5 pages with this rant.
its unbelievable what we choose to add to in these forums when there are much worthier posts. 8)
and it seems like the amd fanboys are still in shock.hopefully their "I
told you so mentality will be realized with am2 @65nm.
and finally the best hands down bang for the performance buck is the conroe 6400 according to my dog and anandtech.
it would help if a person were to base a topic on facts not forums opinions. :roll:

Now arent you glad this thread hasnt been locked yet?

I can't leave guys alone for a minute

Just remember, You said it, we didnt.

Let the Brokeback Baron jokes beginOkay....i couldn't let this opportunity pass by. This explains why he finds cyborg_ninja-117's sig so offensive. :? Baron Dominatrix?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :trophy:
This ones a serious contender

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
brokeback matrix :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

he cant quit amd

:lol: :lol: Had I been drinking something when I read this, it very well may have exited my mouth via my nose.


Peace
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
its all fun and games till someone looses an eye,or shoots beer out their nose.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Mmm Hmm. Gonna have to cover the keyboard with plastic wrap if this keeps up.

Peace

 

[turpit]

http://www.ati.com/companyinfo/about/AMD_ATI_Investor_Presentation.pdf
this pdf makes amd look uninterested in the performance war until 08.
slide # 16.
oh and do cover your key board,im unpredictable like that. 😛

Very interesting read.
From that, it looks like they're gonna push hard in every market. Its going to take a lot of research funds for the developement they're alluding to. Spend 2007 hard on the drawing boards, introduce the products in 2008. If they can keep the 2006/2007 offerings competitive enough to hold on to their momentum, they could give Intel a hard time in 2008

Also confirms that they're going to look at integrating CPU&GPU onto one die, as well as going down the specialization route. Kind of worrisome, that.


Peace

 

[HDDFreak]

My two cents

Corvette guy, you mention somewhere that a core2 x6800 will be pointless in 12-18 months time?? Are you implying that a FX-62 or x2-4600 or e6300 will be performance kings in the before mentioned 12-18 months? BTW, of course prices for c2d's will be cheaper then.
Geez, even I can get that you have no clue what you are on about. You probably live on the forum with all the amd fanboys and have five different avatars that all vote amd.
This thread doesn't really have anything useful left to pick over with. I just can't believe that this corvette guy wasn't severly flamed, which surprises me. BTW, 11 pages!!!

 

[turpit]

well the slides indicate that there are new platforms in 07,i think we will see the first integrated next year,and that more than the performance war is the push,as the market is holding for amd,(hp,ibm,and etc)
new stuff and market growth will be a recovering force in 07,and will buy them alot of time for performance increases.
right now amd has all the time any one could ask for in that buisness,and the last thing you want to do is not perform on a long term plan to increases market share,even if it means taking a backseat in performance.
if performance is achieved in 1H 07 then integrated in 2H or Q4,as that market will fuel the growth increase,single solution in 08,and am3,sounds pretty reasonable.

Yeah, if they follow that plan, and R&D goes well with no signifcant problems/setbacks, it looks like a strong future for them. Of course, Intel wont sit still, so we'll see what happens. Regardless, I dont like the specialized platform route. MS is driving that, so Intel will follow suit as well as AMD. I just dont like the though of having to buy mulitple computers.

Peace

 

[turpit]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
brokeback matrix :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

he cant quit amd

I can't help it, this is funny!!!

"Love is a force of nature..."

Selected quotes from Brokeback AMD for our friend.

Jack Twist: [Casually] Well... maybe you oughta get out of there, you know? Find yourself someplace different. Maybe Texas.

Lureen Newsome: What are ya waitin' for cowboy? The matin' call? Or K8L?

Note; Added K8L.

Alma Beers Del Mar: As far behind as we are on the bills, it makes me nervous not to use any sort of protection.

After ATi Acquisition.

This too fun.


:lol: :lol: Yet another contender :trophy:


Peace

 

[turpit]

I found a better one ....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-682265165888522974&q=Brokeback+mountain

:trophy: :trophy: CLASSIC :trophy: :trophy:

BTW, have you seen "Brokeback Squadron"? Its on google somewhere--- Hilarious

Peace

 

[sunsurfer]

An interesting topic. This is not about AMD Vs Intel but about computers and the 'Emperors new clothes' syndrome. As far as I can tell nearly all the people I know who don't game but just browse the net, write a few letters, emails, spreadsheets and store some photos could quite happily use my spare doorstop PC Celeron 333 with about 120Mb Ram and a 16mb video card.(Actual value including monitor probably about £50 or $85)

However the few times I have tried to say 'you don't need a high spec machine' they haven't been interested. I guess people have the surplus money and they want to spend it on a PC - personally I would prefer to spend it in Barcelona but what they do with their money is their choice!

I agree with Corvette Guy that (unfortunately by default we are looked upon as neighbourhood gurus) perhaps we could make more of an effort to explain that they don't need to spend $1000 on a CPU. Perhaps by saying "wouldn't you rather use the $500 you save on nights out in Barcelona?" 😛

I do have a bias and I am more of an AMD fanboy (and I am running an AMD powered PC) through a natural support-the-underdog tendency. It is akin to supporting Manchester City rather than Manchester United or Juan Montoya rather than Michael Schumacher. However this does not blind me to the fact that the conroes are clearly at this moment in time the better chip at certain price points. For £130 the E6300 is clearly better than anything that AMD has in price, performance, energy consumption, heat/noise and also easily overclocks by 50%. However for £70 then an AMD AM2 3200 is a better choice.

 

[BaronMatrix]

Hey everyone! It is me again! I have a question some of you might be able to answer: How in the name of all that is holy did this thread make it to ten pages?

Just asking, because I thought we decided that this thread was worthless after the first five pages.

2nd half turned out a little more intresting, discussion go a little better, now it has degraded again --- just after Baron made his post -- go figure.


It's amazing though that I posted in response to yet another name-calling contest. You guys would obviously have no lives without me. I haven't poseted much for the last few days but you can't keep my name out of your mouths.

I mean BS is short for an expletive is it not? Don't you guys complain when someone does that to you? Yes, and I've got the PMs to prove it.

I respondned to covette guy an others in a polite manner until you and the Macedonian cave boy came with your aborigine mentality.

 

[uk_gangsta]

I dont have fps table of my cpu becuase im not that sad to bother testin it of looking for someone who has. I have a **** graphics card which brings the fps down but other than that its fine and anyway my graphics card is beside the point. if it was that **** to the point that realy anoyed me id buy a new cpu/mobo setup. my sempron 3000+ @ 2.4ghz 400fsb and 2gb ddr333mhz is good enough for me and YES it DOES run oblivion fine. im goin bed now niittteeee peoples

[Translation:] You're all wrong and I'm right because I say so. I dont have proof because because I said I dont need it.[/Translation]

Allrighty then....

You are a prick i dont need benchmarks for fps because i play oblivion on this pc which is the 1 i said abotu earlier why is that so hard for you to imagine it running oblivion??? fuckin retard

 

[The_Abyss]

I mean BS is short for an expletive is it not? Don't you guys complain when someone does that to you? Yes, and I've got the PMs to prove it.

I respondned to covette guy an others in a polite manner until you and the Macedonian cave boy came with your aborigine mentality.

Take your own foot out of your mouth first you idiot.

Do you actually know what the word aborigine means? It means native, or member of the indigenous population. I'm surprised you can be so ignorant seeing as you shamelessly brought up "it's a black thing" when losing yet another argument.

Seeing as you don't know the correct use, you clearly just mean to belittle the common use of the word, which is native Australian, and the people there. Or maybe you did know the corerct meaning of the word, and sought to associate all native populatations with intelligence akin to cave men.

You are a disgrace. An offensive, petulant, narrow-minded and ignorant child.

 

[mickeddie]

yes, i understand that, but in that time (12-18 months), we will have better cheaper chips. Now if someone buys a $1000 chip now, in 18 months it probably won't be as good as a mid-low range chip then. By buying a cheaper($200) chip now, then in a year -18 moths buy another $200 chip, you'll be ahead, and have been no worse for wear in between. Thats also my point about people always recommending conroe. It probably won't be a upgradeable as AM2, and thats why you'll need a $1000 chip to last far enough. With AM2 you'll be able to get a good cheap chip now, then drop in a K8L chip in a year 18 months, for half the price of an x6800 now

After reading 19 messages on this topic I have to say something. NO ONE HERE IS SAYING TO BUY A $1000 CHIP FOR GAMING!!!!!! (Sorry...had to get that off my chest). In fact, people here will tell you NOT to spend $1000 on a CPU just for gaming. I am getting the E6600 for gaming. With overclocking that $340 chip will get me at least 3-4 years. $340 is not a lot of money for a good, fast cpu.

I am not a fanboy...I as going to go AMD before I learned about C2D and read the benchmarks and read various reviews on it.

Your original post said you were reading about C2D for gaming in a gamers forum. When your statement was challanged why didn't you just say "well, that is what I read in a gamers forum" and drop it instead of starting a huge debate?

I for one am not posting here to take either side in this debate. Like I said I was really close building an AMD system. What is the difference in price of an e6600 and a comparable AMD chip? Look at the benchmarks, read the articles, and make an educated decision based on that and compare the cost/performance ratio and longevity of that CPU. Which will last longer? Which will need to be ugraded first? After 4 years which would have been the better value?

 

[cyborg_ninja-117]

Hey everyone! It is me again! I have a question some of you might be able to answer: How in the name of all that is holy did this thread make it to ten pages?

Just asking, because I thought we decided that this thread was worthless after the first five pages.

2nd half turned out a little more intresting, discussion go a little better, now it has degraded again --- just after Baron made his post -- go figure.


It's amazing though that I posted in response to yet another name-calling contest. You guys would obviously have no lives without me. I haven't poseted much for the last few days but you can't keep my name out of your mouths.

I mean BS is short for an expletive is it not? Don't you guys complain when someone does that to you? Yes, and I've got the PMs to prove it.

I respondned to covette guy an others in a polite manner until you and the Macedonian cave boy came with your aborigine mentality.

how about baronBT

 

[core2drew]

This isn't an overclocking forum.

Many people on here do overclock, but never is it 'required'.

The fact that some people can take an E6300 up to the performance/speed leve of an FX chip comes with much 'fine print'.

One - you're overclocking one chip while comparing it to another stock chip. The lifespan of the overclocked chip will be significantly less than the one at stock speed/voltage. It's very well possible that a person asking for a recommendation on processor doesn't know how to overclock really well, or can't get ahold of a board nice enough to safely/solidly overclock. I'd recommend a nicer processor that, at it's stock settings, will perform well, and will last a long while.

You're assuming everyone here knows and is good at overclocking. I know i'm not, and it's my good fortune to have enough money to spend on a processor that I don't need to be, and that's the point. When you have more money, you have options.

I could buy a vette, or i could buy an STi, mod it, and then stomp a vette.

The fact that a person has a bit more money to spend let's them be able to get the nicer hardware upfront instead of relying on overclocking.

 

[mickeddie]

Overclocking lowers the life of the hardware? Uhoh...I think I shall re-think overclocking.

 

[The_Abyss]

Overclocking lowers the life of the hardware? Uhoh...I think I shall re-think overclocking.

Lots of hardware like CPUs are rated for 6 or 7 years plus. Correctly applied overclocking might reduce this by a year or two, at worst. But by then, you'll have upgraded again already....

Overclocking brings a risk. Correctly controlled, it is not a significant one.

 

[hball]

All I can say is that you're a Fanboy. Show where you posted any of this drivel about any of the AMD FX series of processors.

If you attempt to say you're doing it now, just look at the subject line of your post. You concentrated hard on Intel and we all know why.

hball