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I am preparing to migrate from Windows to Linux. Off course I still need
to be able to do the things with Linux that I now do with Windows. Main
issue today: gaming, what are my options?

All of my games are Windows-based with some exceptions that actually
have a native Linux installer. But I still want to be able to play all
my Windows-based games when I have switched to Linux.

There are a few options to solve this "problem". I have read about Wine,
which works good for most Windows applications, but doesn't seem to do
too good with gaming.

There is Cedega, formerly known as WineX, which emulates the API's used
by DirectX. Most games should run good - some even great - on it. At
least that is what the developer says. The thing is I have not found
that many user comments/reviews about it. Another thing is that you'll
have to pay for it. Not that I am too cheap to spent money on a good
solution, but I would like to see what I am buying - a demo or some good
reviews/comments wouldn't hurt.

Than there is the CPU emulator solution (VMWare, Plex86) and run Windows
from it, but this will cost performance (and in case of VMWare; money)
because it's an OS in an OS. And loss of performance is not something we
want when we're gaming, right? :)

Dual-boot is not an option - this will cost a lot of time booting
between OS's and HDD space for installing several OS's. Aside from that
it's too much trouble maintaining two OS's (/me is a lazy bastard 😛).

Are there any other Linux gamers in these NG's that would like to share
there experience, comments, opinions on this?

(Cross posted because the topic is genre-overlapping. Please reply to
all groups, maybe other readers are interested too :))

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On 2005-09-18, Chris de Bruin <news@cdb.demon.nl-nospam> wrote:
>
> I am preparing to migrate from Windows to Linux. Off course I still need
> to be able to do the things with Linux that I now do with Windows. Main
> issue today: gaming, what are my options?
>
> All of my games are Windows-based with some exceptions that actually
> have a native Linux installer. But I still want to be able to play all
> my Windows-based games when I have switched to Linux.

As others have mentioned you're asking for trouble. Just dual
boot and be glad LILO or GRUB can be setup to boot Win XP off
another drive.

> Than there is the CPU emulator solution (VMWare, Plex86) and run Windows
> from it, but this will cost performance (and in case of VMWare; money)
> because it's an OS in an OS. And loss of performance is not something we
> want when we're gaming, right? :)

CPU emulation is the worest. Even DOS games could run slow if
your CPU isn't blazingly fast.

I wouldn't touch Cedega though. It's a joke.
 
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Chris de Bruin <news@cdb.demon.nl-nospam> wrote in news:11iqm8i3c993id0
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.............
> Dual-boot is not an option - this will cost a lot of time booting
> between OS's and HDD space for installing several OS's. Aside from that
> it's too much trouble maintaining two OS's (/me is a lazy bastard 😛).


One minute ten seconds to reboot too much time? (just timed my XP to Suse)

Dual boot is so easy to do, just unformat a windows partition (or shrink
one to make new unformatted space), boot with a Linux install, tell it to
use that unformatted space, install, and you're done. No muss no fuss. I
only have a 10 gig partition for Suse Linux at the moment, way more than
what I use.

I don't maintain anything, aside from an XP update occassionally.
 
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"magnate" <chrisc@dbass.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:1127058952.877176.61070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

<snip>
>
> So I think you only have two basic choices here:
>
> 1. Resign yourself to playing a subset of games in Linux.
>
> or
>
> 2. Resign yourself to installing and maintaining a dual-boot system
Or you can do both: play subset of games in Linux, and when (if) some great
game comes that works only on Windows, boot in Windows.

> Neither is the end of the world - there are plenty of games for Linux
> nowadays. A quick glance at my Linux install shows
>
> Dominions 2
> various roguelikes (Angband, Sangband, Oangband, Nethack)
> Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri & Alien Crossfire
> StarCraft (almost but not quite running under Wine)
> DosBox, which runs dozens of older games
>
> I'm sure there are loads of more modern games out there which run in
> Linux - I just don't have them.
And things are getting better. It seems that there's fewer and fewer good
games that don't run on Linux. Unfortunately, that's not because more good
games run on Linux, but because fewer good games seem to come out 🙁

But I hope for better, maybe creative indies will embrace Linux (to reduce
development cost and time if not for anything else) and we will get more
interesting games.

Alex.
 
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:09:52 +0200, Chris de Bruin wrote:

>
> I am preparing to migrate from Windows to Linux. Off course I still need
> to be able to do the things with Linux that I now do with Windows. Main
> issue today: gaming, what are my options?
>
> All of my games are Windows-based with some exceptions that actually
> have a native Linux installer. But I still want to be able to play all
> my Windows-based games when I have switched to Linux.
>
> There are a few options to solve this "problem". I have read about Wine,
> which works good for most Windows applications, but doesn't seem to do
> too good with gaming.
>
> There is Cedega, formerly known as WineX, which emulates the API's used
> by DirectX. Most games should run good - some even great - on it. At
> least that is what the developer says. The thing is I have not found
> that many user comments/reviews about it. Another thing is that you'll
> have to pay for it. Not that I am too cheap to spent money on a good
> solution, but I would like to see what I am buying - a demo or some good
> reviews/comments wouldn't hurt.
>
> Than there is the CPU emulator solution (VMWare, Plex86) and run Windows
> from it, but this will cost performance (and in case of VMWare; money)
> because it's an OS in an OS. And loss of performance is not something we
> want when we're gaming, right? :)
>
> Dual-boot is not an option - this will cost a lot of time booting
> between OS's and HDD space for installing several OS's. Aside from that
> it's too much trouble maintaining two OS's (/me is a lazy bastard 😛).
>
> Are there any other Linux gamers in these NG's that would like to share
> there experience, comments, opinions on this?


You should consider a dual boot. It will cost less time than trying to get
a game to run in WineX/Cedega and you'll get much better compatibility.
If you like newer games that use the latest DirectX and if you want to get
the best out of your video card, you won't do it with WineX/Cedega. If you
like older games that aren't well known or are less popular, chances are
there will be problems with WineX/Cedega. These problems can vary from
horrible sound (static, distortion, stuttering) to cut scenes not playing
to crashing all the time to the game not even installing in the first
place. Most 3D games I could not get to play in WineX/Cedega except by
using software mode. And many newer games don't even offer a software
mode.
 
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Chris de Bruin wrote:
> I am preparing to migrate from Windows to Linux. Off course I still
> need to be able to do the things with Linux that I now do with
> Windows. Main issue today: gaming, what are my options?

This ain't no freudian slip - "off course" pretty much sums it up :)
>
> All of my games are Windows-based with some exceptions that actually
> have a native Linux installer. But I still want to be able to play all
> my Windows-based games when I have switched to Linux.

Given that a lot of games nowadays have problems running smoothly on
hardware AND Operating Systems they were intended to run, I'm not even going
to tell you what your options are.

Well, ok, I will cause there's only one: dual boot, period, end of story.

> Dual-boot is not an option - this will cost a lot of time booting
> between OS's and HDD space for installing several OS's. Aside from
> that it's too much trouble maintaining two OS's (/me is a lazy
> bastard 😛).

It may not be an option but what do you do when it's the only one?

Sorry kiddo, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

And lazy bastards shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a computer, anyway.
 
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Chris de Bruin <news@cdb.demon.nl-nospam> once tried to test me with:

> I am preparing to migrate from Windows to Linux.

Sounds like a bad idea gone badder.

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Chris de Bruin wrote:
>
> I am preparing to migrate from Windows to Linux. Off course I still need
> to be able to do the things with Linux that I now do with Windows. Main
> issue today: gaming, what are my options?
>
> All of my games are Windows-based with some exceptions that actually
> have a native Linux installer. But I still want to be able to play all
> my Windows-based games when I have switched to Linux.
>
> There are a few options to solve this "problem". I have read about Wine,
> which works good for most Windows applications, but doesn't seem to do
> too good with gaming.
>
> There is Cedega, formerly known as WineX, which emulates the API's used
> by DirectX. Most games should run good - some even great - on it. At
> least that is what the developer says. The thing is I have not found
> that many user comments/reviews about it. Another thing is that you'll
> have to pay for it. Not that I am too cheap to spent money on a good
> solution, but I would like to see what I am buying - a demo or some good
> reviews/comments wouldn't hurt.
>
> Than there is the CPU emulator solution (VMWare, Plex86) and run Windows
> from it, but this will cost performance (and in case of VMWare; money)
> because it's an OS in an OS. And loss of performance is not something we
> want when we're gaming, right? :)
>
> Dual-boot is not an option - this will cost a lot of time booting
> between OS's and HDD space for installing several OS's. Aside from that
> it's too much trouble maintaining two OS's (/me is a lazy bastard 😛).

So how exactly is using VMWare to run Windows inside Linux going to use
less space than a dual-boot setup? It'll also be at least as much work
to maintain as a dual-boot system.

An 80 GB disk will cost you a lot less than a legit copy of VMWare, and
sticking in your system to boot to when you want to play games will work
just fine. As another guy pointed out, it only takes a minute or so to
reboot, which is much better than the performance hit your machine will
take running Windows inside a virtual machine.
 
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On 2005-09-18, Arjuna <dave@panthergames.com> wrote:
> Our Highway to the Reich ( HTTR ) WW2 op wargame runs under Linux using
> Cedega. CHeck out this forum post:
>
> http://www.matrixgames.com/default.asp?URL=http%3A//www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp%3Fm%3D939572
>

The problem is it may not in the future work with Cedega. At any
one time there are 3-5 games which work perfectly with any
release of Cedega.
 
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alexti wrote:
> But I hope for better, maybe creative indies will embrace Linux (to
reduce
> development cost and time if not for anything else) and we will get more
> interesting games.

Well, Loki was one company dedicated to porting good games to Linux.
Guess what: they are dead now. The market is simply not there - yet.

Harald

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On 2005-09-18, Harald Lauer <drs.lauer@t-online.de> wrote:
> alexti wrote:
> > But I hope for better, maybe creative indies will embrace Linux (to
> reduce
>> development cost and time if not for anything else) and we will get more
>> interesting games.
>
> Well, Loki was one company dedicated to porting good games to Linux.
> Guess what: they are dead now. The market is simply not there - yet.

Loki's issue is that it ported games some six months after the
game was released. Sometimes years after. Games rely heavily on
marketting. Whether you like it or not it's all the previews,
ads, and banners that get us to buy games.

Seriously, half of this NG is already going to buy the next Elder
Scrolls and City of Villians. Heck, they probably preordered it.
 
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Thusly Knight37 <knight37m@gmail.com> Spake Unto All:

>> I am preparing to migrate from Windows to Linux.
>
>Sounds like a bad idea gone badder.

Truth.

Anyone who plays games and describes himself as a "lazy bastard" don't
want to run linux. It is not the lazy gamers OS at all.
 
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"BuckFush" <notmyre@laddress.com> writes:

> And lazy bastards shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a computer, anyway.

Little late for that, methinks.

No reason not to migrate to Linux for most applications. Ubuntu has
great hardware support, and the Synaptic package manager is simple to
use.

For gaming, buy a console or two with the money you will save from not
having to buy the next version of Windows and Microsoft Office.

PC gaming is still not for the faint-of-heart, and probably never
really will be.

Nick

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shadows wrote:

>Loki's issue is that it ported games some six months after the
>game was released. Sometimes years after. Games rely heavily on
>marketting. Whether you like it or not it's all the previews,
>ads, and banners that get us to buy games.
>
>

I have never bought a game based on any of that.



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On 19 Sep 2005 11:50:38 -0400, Nick Vargish
<nav+posts@bandersnatch.org> wrote:


>PC gaming is still not for the faint-of-heart, and probably never
>really will be.
>
>Nick

Nor is Linux.
 
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> He say "...Dual-boot is not an option - this will cost a lot of time
> booting
between OS's and HDD space for installing several OS's. Aside from that
it's too much trouble maintaining two OS's "
@@@

I think Dual-Boot, if you can do it, is certainly your best way...as you
will know you can run any Windows type game without extra troubles....It
would have to be Windows XP as Win 98 would take much less HD space but will
not run most current games...
The Win XP install could take only (perhaps) 2 Gigs + swapfile HD space and
you should have a nice easy-use Boot-start menu ..I have Dual Win 98 & Win
XP which takes no more time to boot into than just one.......maintaining
should be less problems than an single intergrated OS..
Emulator's are a no...(even if they work) the machines speed will be (maybe)
20% of full.

Luv mouse
@@@@@
 
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"Chris de Bruin" <news@cdb.demon.nl-nospam> wrote in message
news:11iqm8i3c993id0@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> There are a few options to solve this "problem". I have read about Wine,
> which works good for most Windows applications, but doesn't seem to do too
> good with gaming.
>

You do that buddy, drink a lot of wine, because you'll need it.
 
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On 2005-09-19, Quaestor <no-spam@my.place> wrote:
> shadows wrote:
>
>>Loki's issue is that it ported games some six months after the
>>game was released. Sometimes years after. Games rely heavily on
>>marketting. Whether you like it or not it's all the previews,
>>ads, and banners that get us to buy games.
>>
>>
>
> I have never bought a game based on any of that.

If you bought a game based on reviews here it's still a result of
the buzz.
 
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> "magnate" <chrisc dbass.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> news:1127058952.877176.61070 f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> <snip>
>>
>> So I think you only have two basic choices here:
>>
>> 1. Resign yourself to playing a subset of games in Linux.
>>
>> or
>>
>> 2. Resign yourself to installing and maintaining a dual-boot system
> Or you can do both: play subset of games in Linux, and when (if) some great
> game comes that works only on Windows, boot in Windows.
>
>> Neither is the end of the world - there are plenty of games for Linux
>> nowadays. A quick glance at my Linux install shows
>>
>> Dominions 2
>> various roguelikes (Angband, Sangband, Oangband, Nethack)
>> Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri & Alien Crossfire
>> StarCraft (almost but not quite running under Wine)
>> DosBox, which runs dozens of older games
>>
>> I'm sure there are loads of more modern games out there which run in
>> Linux - I just don't have them.
> And things are getting better. It seems that there's fewer and fewer good
> games that don't run on Linux. Unfortunately, that's not because more good
> games run on Linux, but because fewer good games seem to come out 🙁
>
> But I hope for better, maybe creative indies will embrace Linux (to reduce
> development cost and time if not for anything else) and we will get more
> interesting games.
>
> Alex.
>
 
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shadows <shadows@whitefang.com> once tried to test me with:

> On 2005-09-19, Quaestor <no-spam@my.place> wrote:
>> shadows wrote:
>>
>>>Loki's issue is that it ported games some six months after the
>>>game was released. Sometimes years after. Games rely heavily on
>>>marketting. Whether you like it or not it's all the previews,
>>>ads, and banners that get us to buy games.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I have never bought a game based on any of that.
>
> If you bought a game based on reviews here it's still a result of
> the buzz.
>
>

But a lot of the "buzz" doesn't actually cost much to generate. Sending out
review and preview copies to gaming sites - pretty damn cheap. Now, banner
ads, and especially anything on TV is costly, but I am not sure how much of
that is completely necessary.

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On 2005-09-20, Knight37 <knight37m@gmail.com> wrote:

> But a lot of the "buzz" doesn't actually cost much to generate. Sending out
> review and preview copies to gaming sites - pretty damn cheap. Now, banner
> ads, and especially anything on TV is costly, but I am not sure how much of
> that is completely necessary.

The cost isn't the topic of discussion here. When you're eagerly
awaiting HOMM 3 and Alpha Centauri you're not going to wait an
additional six months or a year for Loki to port it to
Linux. You're just going to go out and buy the Windows version
and be done.

Loki failed because by the time they released a port the game
became old and all the gaming websites had ads and reviews up for
new games. In all likelyhood HOMM 3 wasn't the big topic of
discussion here by the time Loki released its port; other games
were being discussed.

The poster I replied to thinks he's some iron willed warrior who
is completely unaffected by "marketting." This isn't true as is
evidenced by his participation in this forum which is, in a large
part, a by product of games being marketted.
 
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Arjuna wrote:
> Our Highway to the Reich ( HTTR ) WW2 op wargame runs under Linux using
> Cedega. CHeck out this forum post:
>
> http://www.matrixgames.com/default.asp?URL=http%3A//www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp%3Fm%3D939572
>

So? The OP was asking for a general solution, which Cedega doesn't
offer. If he was asking for a "60% of games sort of work" solution, then
Cedega would be perfect. The trouble is that you can't be sure that the
games you'll want to play six months from now will work on Cedega.
 
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Kevin <no@SPAM.here> writes:

> >PC gaming is still not for the faint-of-heart, and probably never
> >really will be.

> Nor is Linux.

Well, that was kind of my point, since the OP described himself as
"lazy", it seemed like a console or two would be the best thing for
him.

Nick

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On 20-9-2005 13:57, Nick Vargish wrote:
> Kevin <no@SPAM.here> writes:
>
>
>>>PC gaming is still not for the faint-of-heart, and probably never
>>>really will be.
>
>
>>Nor is Linux.
>
>
> Well, that was kind of my point, since the OP described himself as
> "lazy", it seemed like a console or two would be the best thing for
> him.
>
> Nick
>
The "me being lazy" part was figurative. What I meant is that I
personally think it's too much trouble to have to boot from one OS to
another every time I want to use a specific application. It shouldn't be
necessary.

Than why not just stick with Windows you say? It's more a thing for the
future. Technology ages as does software like Windows. I have been
reading about the new Windows Vista and the abnormal amount of RAM,
VRAM en CPU it needs to run properly. All because of some nice graphic
features I probably don't even want to use.

Linux offers more than this. There are regular distributions released
and they also run on slower machines. Recap - you don't need to upgrade
your machine in order to be able to run Linux.

Off course Windows XP will run fine for a few more years, but at a
certain point it will be obsolete and there won't be much software
released and support for the OS. E.g. Windows 2000 was released in 1999
and ran for about 6 years when MS pulled the support-plug. Windows XP
was released in 2001 if I follow the Windows 2000 time line, the
support-plug will be pulled in about 2 years.

Just looking around what the options are - and Linux happens to be one
of them.

- And yes - I also own a Xbox :) -

--
Bow before me, for I am root.
 
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In article <11j0gfoc300phaf@corp.supernews.com>, news@cdb.demon.nl-
nospam says...

> Than why not just stick with Windows you say? It's more a thing for the
> future. Technology ages as does software like Windows. I have been
> reading about the new Windows Vista and the abnormal amount of RAM,
> VRAM en CPU it needs to run properly. All because of some nice graphic
> features I probably don't even want to use.

What you have to ask yourself, though, is how much that "abnormal"
hardware requirement is going to cost to upgrade to when Vista actually
appears next year ... or the year after that ... or the year after that.

Speaking for myself, I'd much rather shell out the $200 to pick up a
low-end 2007 mobo and CPU than change operating systems now.

> Linux offers more than this. There are regular distributions released
> and they also run on slower machines. Recap - you don't need to upgrade
> your machine in order to be able to run Linux.

Sure you do. Toss a copy of some RAM-hungry 2005 disto onto a machine
that ran Linux great back in 2000, and watch it craaaaaaaaaaawl.

--
Giftzwerg
***
"The media's breathless tabulation of casualties in Iraq - now, over
1,800 deaths - is generally devoid of context. Here's some context:
between 1983 and 1996, 18,006 American military personnel died
accidentally in the service of their country. That death rate of 1,286
per year exceeds the rate of combat deaths in Iraq by a ratio of nearly
two to one."
- John Hinderaker
 
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