Gaming on Linux, what are my options?

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shadows wrote:
> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg.]
> On 2005-09-18, Harald Lauer <drs.lauer@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>>alexti wrote:
>> > But I hope for better, maybe creative indies will embrace Linux (to
>>reduce
>>
>>>development cost and time if not for anything else) and we will get more
>>>interesting games.
>>
>>Well, Loki was one company dedicated to porting good games to Linux.
>>Guess what: they are dead now. The market is simply not there - yet.
>
>
> Loki's issue is that it ported games some six months after the
> game was released. Sometimes years after. Games rely heavily on
> marketting. Whether you like it or not it's all the previews,
> ads, and banners that get us to buy games.
>
> Seriously, half of this NG is already going to buy the next Elder
> Scrolls and City of Villians. Heck, they probably preordered it.

Yes, and let's not forget that paying for SW - games and anything else -
is not very common under Linux. You can find a free piece of SW covering
almost all your needs, except for gaming (if you discount the millions
of tetris and solitaire clones).

Interestingly enough, the same kinds of little - and sometimes very nice
- pieces of SW, that under Linux would be free, are at least shareware
under Windows. Even hobby developers under Windows expect to be payed...

Harald

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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:30:41 GMT, Gandalf Parker wrote:

> Some of my favorite games have linux options. Such as Dominions 2

And the only way to get more Linux games is to support the existing Linux
(or multiplatform) games. So, folks, buy Dom2, NWN, etc. and email the
distributors to let them know why you bought their product. Perhaps a
little idealistic, but maybe it will help. For instance, I didn't buy my
Dom2 copy from my usual game vendor, but went to a Linux store instead (and
I game on a WinXP box).

Linux isn't a serious alternative for the avid gamer yet (for most
everything else it is, though), but at least to some degree we can make it
more attractive to developers and publishers to offer titles for more than
one platform. My long-term plan is to switch to Linux, but not before my
employer's application runs natively under Linux and more commercial games
are offered for multiple platforms. Most of my everyday-software is already
open-source and cross-platform.

M.

 

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On 20 Sep 2005 06:28:10 -0700, cirejcon wrote:

> I'll back up the other posters. Dual boot is very easy, and really
> the ONLY thing guaranteed to work. Disk space costs next to
> nothing, and your time is worth something.

When I had a dual-boot box, the problem wasn't the time, but the absence of
my "other applications". I rarely have dedicated gaming sessions, but play
a bit, then tab out, do some work, play a bit more, then get more work
done, etc. With dual-boot you really can't do that, unless you really do
nothing but play games for several hours nonstop.

So, to me, dual-booting wasn't really an alternative. I now have two
different computers, one with XP and one with Linux/FreeBSD (that one
dual-boots), which works better for me. The Linux/BSD box is just for
learning and "keeping up" with the development, not for gaming or working.

For the avid gamer (of commercial games), Linux currently isn't an
alternative. For everything else, perhaps with exception of making music,
it is.

M.

 

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In article <u20cz2fvigfh$.18f6ybicec75i.dlg@40tude.net>,
mvondung@gmail.com says...
> On 20 Sep 2005 06:28:10 -0700, cirejcon wrote:
>
> > I'll back up the other posters. Dual boot is very easy, and really
> > the ONLY thing guaranteed to work. Disk space costs next to
> > nothing, and your time is worth something.
>
> When I had a dual-boot box, the problem wasn't the time, but the absence of
> my "other applications". I rarely have dedicated gaming sessions, but play
> a bit, then tab out, do some work, play a bit more, then get more work
> done, etc. With dual-boot you really can't do that, unless you really do
> nothing but play games for several hours nonstop.
>
> So, to me, dual-booting wasn't really an alternative. I now have two
> different computers, one with XP and one with Linux/FreeBSD (that one
> dual-boots), which works better for me. The Linux/BSD box is just for
> learning and "keeping up" with the development, not for gaming or working.
>
> For the avid gamer (of commercial games), Linux currently isn't an
> alternative. For everything else, perhaps with exception of making music,
> it is.
>
> M.

I will say that dual-booting is very easy with Linux. I played around
with it a little. Can't even remember what version I had.

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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:49:30 +0200, Benjamin Gawert wrote:

> Well, it's probably some sort of "political correctness" today to hate
> evil MS and to hail Linux.

No, it's not that -- at least not for most people who are older than
sixteen. The OS is a relatively elementary part of a computer, and being
completely dependent on one company and all their antics isn't all that
satisfactory or comfortable. Microsoft's plans to obtain a great deal of
control over the end user's computer (and its contents) aren't very secret
(see "Trusted Computing"), so it's not unreasonable to at least be wary and
thus look at alternatives. This isn't only a question of ideology. It can
be quite pragmatic to want to use a free operating system that gives you
full and direct control over your system (Windows does not).

> It's really odd how many people hate MS
> despite the fact when they have no problems with Windows and when MS
> didn't do anything to them.

That's just a few people, and they are usually younger. "Hate" is a strong
word, and I think it's silly to feel that passionately about something so
insignificant as an OS. Personally, I am not young, have used Microsoft
products since the late 80s, and I never had any real trouble with MS
software, but I still feel a little uneasy and dissatisfied with Windows,
so I can relate to the OP's desire to switch to Linux. It doesn't imply, to
me, that he hates Windows.

> Linux certainly has its place. Especially for server tasks Linux has
> several advantages over the expensive Windows server versions and their
> per-seat/per-client licensing. But IMHO for most desktop tasks it's just
> the wrong OS...

Why? KDE is quite good these days, and distros like SuSE offer painless
installation that are not more involved than an XP installation. The
troubles are the drivers and the selection of entertainment software, but
that isn't a problem of the OS itself. Linux itself has the potential to be
as good a desktop OS as Windows.

The rherorical question "Why do I need Linux?" reminds me of "Why do I need
Windows?" fifteen or so years ago from the DOS camp. Windows is just one
product among a number of alternatives.

M.

 

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In article <MPG.1d9d986438a22bc598972a@news.east.earthlink.net>,
epicat1212@hotmail.com says...
> In article <o7h7j19dfve1oie2ksi7hgakbp5nd04hju@4ax.com>,
> spamtrap@localhost. says...
> > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:01:37 GMT, Epi Watkins <epicat1212@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >The browser I use does all I would want it to. As long as you can
> > >search with google with it, I'm fairly satisfied. You can also turn
> > >java and activex off and on real easy with it. Other things too, but
> > >I'm too lazy to look.
> >
> > If that is all you use it for then you aren't really qualified to make
> > comparisons of different browsers. There are hundreds of extensions,
> > several of which are invaluable for me - Adblock in particular, that
> > make Firefox the clear leader IMO.
>
> How about this...Ever do web pages? If it works, it will work in IE.
> Might not in other browsers. This includes Firefox. The only time a
> page won't work for IE is when someone included a script so it won't.
> If you ever do web pages, browsers other than IE can be a pain.

There is an issue that sometimes happens with background graphics not
loading properly and leaving a trail down the page. I don't think it's
deliberate, and it can happen in IE but not Firefox.

By and large, though, IE is the safer bet.

- Gerry Quinn

 

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In article <3pkcq7F8p9c5U1@individual.net>, Benjamin Gawert <bgawert@gmx.de> wrote:
>rate. The XOrg server only provides a few odd refresh rates for my
>Nvidia card, the 1680x1050 resolution which I need for my TFT doesn't
>work at all (like the other widescreen modes), so I'm forced to use a
>stretched 1280x1024. I installed the Nvidia driver, but after that the
>computer bootet into the text mode, no graphical desktop at all.
>Starting X just delivered an error message...
>
>The average user just would have been frustrated if he'd experience
>this. Without deep Linux knowledge there's no way to solve such issues...
>
>KDE is a good desktop but it only got that far because it copies a lot
>from Windows. And it's sluggish, even on faster machines...

The #1 reason I have not gone Linux only is XWindows. If Linux had a
different, cleaner GUI infrastructure I'd probably switch. For fun,
read the chapter about XWindows in the Unix Haters Handbook :^)

Alan

 

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Michael Vondung <mvondung@gmail.com> wrote in
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> Linux isn't a serious alternative for the avid gamer yet (for most
> everything else it is, though), but at least to some degree we can
> make it more attractive to developers and publishers to offer titles
> for more than one platform.

I agree with what you say. But personally Im afraid I tend to run like
this... I have a WinXP desktop for GUIs, menus, and heavily graphic cames.
And I prefer Linux as my internet server for webpages, email, ftp, etc. So
I strongly desire that any game which offers a hosting option (Such as
Dominions 2) have a linux version of the host. That makes it so much easier
to setup a web-page for signing up, upload/downoad turn files, keeping
stats, /etc /etc

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"Well its Stealth, or Barbarian Horde, or Diplomacy, or Defense & Research,
or Aggressive Building, or anything else as long as its whatever style that
YOU can play best. Sorry if you wanted a pat answer, its not that kind of
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 01:35:45 GMT, CK wrote:


>> Adblock is a great tool, but it's not the first ad blocking software.
>>
>> Now if only it would integrate a cookie blocker into it as well!
>
> What are you talking about? Firefox already has the option to
> block/allow cookies, or to only accept cookies from the site you're on,
> or to exclude cookies on a per-site basis, and even to clear the cookies
> when you exit Firefox. And, unusually, it's all in the options screen,
> so you don't even have to look at about:config.

with adblock i can block any ad that has say /ad/
with the Firefox option, it has to match a site, I can't just say block
all cookies from sites that use /ad/. I have to add each one.

And another thing, Adblock has no white list.

 

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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:51:38 +1000, wyzwyz <wyzwyz@wyz.wyz> wrote:

>And another thing, Adblock has no white list.

Sorry to sound dumb, what is a white list?
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 06:10:01 +0100, Andrew wrote:

> Sorry to sound dumb, what is a white list?

An exception list. Addresses or sites on the white list are not affected by
the default settings or filters.

M.

 

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Andrew wrote:

>On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:51:38 +1000, wyzwyz <wyzwyz@wyz.wyz> wrote:
>
>
>
>>And another thing, Adblock has no white list.
>>
>>
>
>Sorry to sound dumb, what is a white list?
>
>

Opposite of a blacklist.

Read: http://www.seige-perilous.org/spam/spam-whitelisting.html

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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:13:27 +0200, Michael Vondung
<mvondung@gmail.com> wrote:

>An exception list. Addresses or sites on the white list are not affected by
>the default settings or filters.

Thanks. It looks like Adblock Plus does that:
http://bene.sitesled.com/adblock.htm
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Michael Vondung <mvondung@gmail.com> wrote:
>Why? KDE is quite good these days, and distros like SuSE offer painless
>installation that are not more involved than an XP installation. The
>troubles are the drivers and the selection of entertainment software, but
>that isn't a problem of the OS itself. Linux itself has the potential to be
>as good a desktop OS as Windows.

Well... the Linux kernel developers make most of their engineer decisions
based on the assumption that the kernel will be used in a server
environment. Interactive performance isn't considered anywhere as near
as important as batch performance. This has caused some embrassasing
performance comparisions for more interactive server applications,
like when it was shown that Windows NT could serve HTTP documents faster
than Linux. This problem has since been fixed, but it never occured the
Linux developers that the interactive performance of their networking
code might a problem.

The Windows kernel developers on the other hand are not only concerned
about the interactive performance of both server and desktop applications,
they're also concerned about the real-time performance of desktop
applications like games. This is demonstrated by the new "WaveRT"
driver for Windows Vista which allows for glitch-free audio with a
much shorter latency than audio drivers have been able to achieve in
the past. As far as the Linux kernel developers are concerned this just
isn't problem. For them the most efficient way to solve sound glitches
is to just increase the latencies even more. This is barely acceptable
for an MP3 player, let alone a game.

The truth is that whatever dreams the Linux developers may have had
of Linux becoming a competive desktop operating system were abandoned
years ago. They're now focused on Linux core competency as a server
operating system. (Actually, they're probably about as focused on it
as development workstation, since that's what they mainly use it for
themselves.)

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How do you play games on a Peanuts cartoon character? I don't even
understand the question?


"DaLoverhino" <DaLoveRhino@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dual booting isn't so bad. I have SuSE Linux 9.2 and Windows XP
> professional.
>
> XP was on initially, and then I installed SuSE. SuSE linux was smart
> enough to know that XP existed and I didn't even have to do a custom
> install, and mess around with the boot records like I had to when Linux
> was in it's infancy. The install was easy, and went off without any
> problems.
>
> Now, when I turn on my computer, I have a choice between logging into
> SuSE or Windows. You just might want to consider it. It's not as bad
> as you think it is, nowadays.
>

 

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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:30:38 -0700, Quaestor wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:51:38 +1000, wyzwyz <wyzwyz@wyz.wyz> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>And another thing, Adblock has no white list.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Sorry to sound dumb, what is a white list?
>>
>>
>
> Opposite of a blacklist.
>
> Read: http://www.seige-perilous.org/spam/spam-whitelisting.html


Earthlink has something like that. It can block any email that doesn't
come from an address in your address book. The problem is it can be fooled
by spammers that use an email address you are apt to have in your
"allowed" list in their return address, such as one that is used for
confirmations by ebay or amazon or paypal, but have links in the body of
the message that don't lead to the valid ebay or amazon or paypal site.
You really need a "whitelist filter" that is smart enough to find out if
an email is really coming from whatever is typed in the return address (or
is at least associated with it). Earthlink's is pretty dumb and lets
through all those phishing emails, even though you can tell from the
headers that they did NOT come from ebay or paypal or whatever.

I'm not sure how whitelists would work for web browsers.
There are probably ways to get around those as well.

 

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amonroejj@yahoo.com (R. Alan Monroe) wrote in
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>>KDE is a good desktop but it only got that far because it copies a lot
>>from Windows. And it's sluggish, even on faster machines...
>
> The #1 reason I have not gone Linux only is XWindows.
I agree, X-sluggishness is a big annoyance to me too. The things is
designed to work across the network, which it does really well, but on the
desktop it definitely loses to Windows. Though if MS will make a similar
step in a new Windows to one they did in Win98 when they switched their
graphics shell to internet-explorer-like, they might be able to catch
XWindows in sluggishness

Alex.

 

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>graphics shell to internet-explorer-like, they might be able to catch
>XWindows in sluggishness

They're going the opposite way; DirectX as a substrate for everything.

At least so I understand.

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rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Ross Ridge) wrote in
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> achieve in the past. As far as the Linux kernel developers are
> concerned this just isn't problem. For them the most efficient way to
> solve sound glitches is to just increase the latencies even more. This
> is barely acceptable for an MP3 player, let alone a game.
Do you talk about OSS? ALSA is much better (than OSS and probably then
WIndows sound system as well). I can run half-a-dozen of resource intensive
processes and still get clear sound. Doing the same on Windows causes
a bit of skipping (might be fault of media player rather than OS though).

> The truth is that whatever dreams the Linux developers may have had
> of Linux becoming a competive desktop operating system were abandoned
> years ago.
It doesn't seem that way, look at what asian linux group is doing. But the
focus seems to be on the office desktop with typical productivity tools
rather than on gaming machine.

Alex.

 

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In article <pan.2005.09.24.22.19.13.381988@nospam.com>,
nospam@nospam.com says...
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:30:38 -0700, Quaestor wrote:
>
> > Andrew wrote:
> >
> >>On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:51:38 +1000, wyzwyz <wyzwyz@wyz.wyz> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>And another thing, Adblock has no white list.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Sorry to sound dumb, what is a white list?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Opposite of a blacklist.
> >
> > Read: http://www.seige-perilous.org/spam/spam-whitelisting.html
>
>
> Earthlink has something like that. It can block any email that doesn't
> come from an address in your address book. The problem is it can be fooled
> by spammers that use an email address you are apt to have in your
> "allowed" list in their return address, such as one that is used for
> confirmations by ebay or amazon or paypal, but have links in the body of
> the message that don't lead to the valid ebay or amazon or paypal site.
> You really need a "whitelist filter" that is smart enough to find out if
> an email is really coming from whatever is typed in the return address (or
> is at least associated with it). Earthlink's is pretty dumb and lets
> through all those phishing emails, even though you can tell from the
> headers that they did NOT come from ebay or paypal or whatever.
>
> I'm not sure how whitelists would work for web browsers.
> There are probably ways to get around those as well.

Earthlink used to be a lot better. Even with no filter set.

Epi

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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:19:19 -0400, Jenny100 wrote:


> I'm not sure how whitelists would work for web browsers.
> There are probably ways to get around those as well.

Allow *.freegame.*
Allow *.freegames.*
Block *free*

this would allow any site/ad from www.freegame.abc, but block
www.freeads.id

the main reason for having a white list, is so you can have really
generic filters, but still allow through stuff you want to see.

 

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Jenny100 <nospam@nospam.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:30:38 -0700, Quaestor wrote:
>
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:51:38 +1000, wyzwyz <wyzwyz@wyz.wyz> wrote:
>>>
>>>>And another thing, Adblock has no white list.
>>>>
>>>Sorry to sound dumb, what is a white list?
>>>
>> Opposite of a blacklist.
>>
>> Read: http://www.seige-perilous.org/spam/spam-whitelisting.html
>
>Earthlink has something like that. It can block any email that doesn't
>come from an address in your address book. The problem is it can be fooled
>by spammers that use an email address you are apt to have in your
>"allowed" list in their return address, such as one that is used for
>confirmations by ebay or amazon or paypal, but have links in the body of
>the message that don't lead to the valid ebay or amazon or paypal site.
>You really need a "whitelist filter" that is smart enough to find out if
>an email is really coming from whatever is typed in the return address (or
>is at least associated with it). Earthlink's is pretty dumb and lets
>through all those phishing emails, even though you can tell from the
>headers that they did NOT come from ebay or paypal or whatever.

A quick google says that's not quite what earthlink is doing.
Rather they are sending a response to the emailer telling them to
whitelist themselves (thus auto-blocking everything from a fake from
address), but not doing this for bulk sent stuff.

It's dead easy though for any decent email program to pick up the slack
and delete phishing mails, by detecting if it contains and allowable
address (assuming you use ebay/amazon/paypal) AND another address.

Or on the bulk mailer used, or a key phrase used by the phishers but not
legit mail from those sources or whatever.

I'm guessing most of the phish mails have a from address from one of the
freemail places like yahoo/lycos/netscape/hotmail or are sent in html,
since my filters seem to nail all of them.
I can't recall ever getting one.
Yes I do actually filter out mail formatted in text/html - html is for
web pages, not email, and no one I actually want mail from is going to
send me html mail.

>I'm not sure how whitelists would work for web browsers.
>There are probably ways to get around those as well.

Probably the same way they do cookies and advertisements, you can block
all except ones from sites you allow.

Xocyll
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On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 12:15:43 -0400, Xocyll wrote:

>
> I'm guessing most of the phish mails have a from address from one of the
> freemail places like yahoo/lycos/netscape/hotmail or are sent in html,
> since my filters seem to nail all of them.

The only email address in the "from" address is the one used by
paypal/amazon/ebay/etc. The links in the email are not links from these
companies though. They are html emails (to disguise the bogus links) but
the problem I have with blocking html emails is that some companies
I order from maybe once or twice a year insist on sending their shipping
notification emails in html. Now if it were possible to have html emails
from the favorite phishing return addresses blocked...

 

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Courageous <courageous@procusion.com> wrote in
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>>graphics shell to internet-explorer-like, they might be able to catch
>>XWindows in sluggishness
>
> They're going the opposite way; DirectX as a substrate for everything.
Never underestimate their ability to insert few critically placed
Sleep(500) calls

 

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>> They're going the opposite way; DirectX as a substrate for everything.

>Never underestimate their ability to insert few critically placed
>Sleep(500) calls

Nah; I'll just go with them throwing more glitz at the problem than
the hardware likes.

C//