Gartner: Windows 8 is a Necessary Risk for Microsoft

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[citation][nom]ricdiculus[/nom]thumb me down all you want, you still cant boot straight to the desktop without hacking the os. please prove me wrong. No short-cuts, no altered code, just straight to the desktop. Ya can't.[/citation]

Who the hell cares?


You can't press a button, click something, etc just to get to the start screen?

 
Risk what risk? Microsoft has a monopoly on the PC market the only alternative average joe knows of is Apple which means even more learning of how things work and different software which is the extent most of them know. I say they are pretty safe and even if Win 8 flops horribly companies will start offering customers the ability to downgrade to 7 to keep sales.

In terms of corporate they are usually lagging behind in software, I imagine most would probably just upgrade to 7 than 8. Less time training employees on the interface which means less tech support calls and more productivity.
 
[citation][nom]computernerdforlife[/nom]WIN8 CP runs great on my desktop. My credit card awaits this purchase.[/citation]
lol....so does Microsoft...a fool will always be a fool...maybe if people will stop buying their products then and only then they will listen to the customers
 
The worst thing about Windows 8 is the impact its having on all other software. Already Hotmail, ebay and AVG have over hauled their UI to look just as bad as metro.

Launching non metro programs… yes I called them programs from metro is just dumb. I think in the end this is going to prove to not work as well as MS thinks it will. I think Apple is right in having one OS for mobile and one for desktop/laptop.
 
[citation][nom]Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer[/nom]Dude, I've used Windows 8. I know what keys to press to get to the desktop. I know that hitting the Windows key and typing will find your program on the start screen just the same as hitting the Windows key and typing will find your program in the start menu. I know it's an article of faith amongst the Windows 8 shills/plants/blind fans that "If you don't want Windows 8 you've never used it or you haven't used it enough."When you start Windows, you're in Metro. It's right f--king there. Of course you can hit Windows-D. Of course you can pin desktop applications to the desktop task bar. But you're still going to be in Metro to do some things on your computer. And that's because Microsoft wants to suck you in, wants you to buy their damned apps, wants you to line their coffers.All the keyboard shortcuts in the world aren't going to change any of that. But either you're a plant or a shill, and you know that, and are being disingenuous, or you're a blind fan who can't see reality for what it is.Eventually, it won't matter if you can use the desktop, because all of your programs are going to be acquired through Microsoft's curated store, anyway. And Microsoft can say "It's not like we abandoned desktop developers, they all moved over to 'Metro'. And that's 'cause users wanted them to be 'Metro' apps. So really, it's tyranny of the majority, not us." Never mind that Microsoft tilted the board towards that inevitable conclusion from day one.[/citation]
Well you can call me a shill, but that doesn't change the fact you are an over-reacting drama queen, you started with "they force me" then concede to "well, of course I can"
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If being "in your face" is the same as "forcing you" to use it then I assume that when you go to Google to search for something they are "forcing you" to download and use Chrome, because it's right there on the page "in your face"
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If your tirade was containing actual events rather than your opinion, laced with dramatic conjecture, it would hold my interest, but as soon as you also resorted to childish name calling I just zoned out another troll
 
Back-By-Demand just go by your beloved copy of WinGreat and enjoy it. Those of us who DONT LIKE the way microsoft is headed will keep right on complaining about it.
 
[citation][nom]ricdiculus[/nom]Back-By-Demand just go by your beloved copy of WinGreat and enjoy it. Those of us who DONT LIKE the way microsoft is headed will keep right on complaining about it.[/citation]
Thanks!
 
[citation][nom]ricdiculus[/nom]thumb me down all you want, you still cant boot straight to the desktop without hacking the os. please prove me wrong. No short-cuts, no altered code, just straight to the desktop. Ya can't.[/citation]
http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/gabeknuth/archive/2012/09/21/relief-classicshell-gives-windows-8-a-start-menu-and-boots-directly-to-desktop.aspx
Not a hack, not a shortcut, just an installable program that is free and easy
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I will use this with a "beloved" copy of Windows 8 and all the bile generated by the haters will mean nothing
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Well you can call me a shill, but that doesn't change the fact you are an over-reacting drama queen, you started with "they force me" then concede to "well, of course I can"[/citation]
I didn't start with "they force me", someone else did. And they weren't wrong; you can't turn off the Metro interface. You can try to avoid it as much as you can, but you'll still have to interact with it eventually.
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]If being "in your face" is the same as "forcing you" to use it then I assume that when you go to Google to search for something they are "forcing you" to download and use Chrome, because it's right there on the page "in your face"[/citation]
Flawed analogy is flawed. There's no Chrome ad on my Mozilla home page, I use the search bar in Firefox anyway, and even if every Google search page was required to have an ad for Chrome on it, you could always use another search engine.

You can't turn off Metro. It's always going to be there, because Microsoft wants you to buy into their new ecosystem. That's not a thing you can coherently argue against. That's reality.
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]If your tirade was containing actual events rather than your opinion, laced with dramatic conjecture, it would hold my interest, but as soon as you also resorted to childish name calling I just zoned out another troll[/citation]
Ha ha, dude, feel free to come back and eat crow in a few years when it becomes obvious that my "dramatic conjecture" was accurate. I promise to accept your apology gracefully.
 
[citation][nom]Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer[/nom]Ha ha, dude, feel free to come back and eat crow in a few years when it becomes obvious that my "dramatic conjecture" was accurate. I promise to accept your apology gracefully.[/citation]
Even after providing a link for software that gives you everything you want, you still want to troll, it's almost like you want it to happen so you can say you were right
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/g [...] sktop.aspxNot a hack, not a shortcut, just an installable program that is free and easy...I will use this with a "beloved" copy of Windows 8 and all the bile generated by the haters will mean nothing[/citation]

Just proves my point. Microsoft wants you to use Metro. JUST GIVE US AN OPTION ALREADY STRAIGHT FROM THE FACTORY PLEASE!
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Even after providing a link for software that gives you everything you want, you still want to troll, it's almost like you want it to happen so you can say you were right[/citation]
It's almost like you think you're arguing against one person with one complaint instead of several people with different complaints.

It's almost like you're so blinded by your fanboyism that you can't keep your arguments straight.

It's almost like your comments are deliberately obtuse in an attempt to hide the fact that you work for Microsoft.

It's almost like you think that calling me a troll actually makes me one.

It's almost like there's no point in arguing with someone who is clearly incapable of looking at reality objectively.

Oh wait, it's exactly like that. So just sit back and relax and pay no attention while Microsoft turns Windows into another iOS.
 
[citation][nom]Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer[/nom]It's almost like you think you're arguing against one person with one complaint instead of several people with different complaints.It's almost like you're so blinded by your fanboyism that you can't keep your arguments straight.It's almost like your comments are deliberately obtuse in an attempt to hide the fact that you work for Microsoft.It's almost like you think that calling me a troll actually makes me one.It's almost like there's no point in arguing with someone who is clearly incapable of looking at reality objectively.Oh wait, it's exactly like that. So just sit back and relax and pay no attention while Microsoft turns Windows into another iOS.[/citation]
You clearly are incapable of an adult conversation, i'm not the only person who disagrees with you, read the forums, there are plenty, but as usual you do what most loudmouth bullies do and try to shout them down and say "because several other people agree with me I must be right"
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So I work for Microsoft do I? Is that really the best you can do? Your entire argument is based on fear and pessimism with no foundation other than your belief, which by sheer definition makes you the fanboi
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What exactly are you afraid of? That you won't be able to install pirated software? Windows 8 already allows non-Metro software to be installed, free software allows you bypass Metro on startup, you could have spent all of 10 seconds looking for it yourself - but no, you just rant on again and anyone that thinks the opposite to you gets insults
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I have seen your sort come and go many times in these forums, haven't been here 10 minutes, hardly any posts and act like a seagull - swoop in, make a lot of noise and shit on everything
 
[citation][nom]ricdiculus[/nom]JUST GIVE US AN OPTION ALREADY STRAIGHT FROM THE FACTORY PLEASE![/citation]
I'm sure some people want Firefox installed and working on Windows straight out of the box too, but obviously that doesn't happen, Microsoft have earned the right to "suggest" their preferred option, but ultimately give you the choice to do what you want. Don't want Internet Explorer? OK i'll download Firefox. Don't want Metro? OK i'll download ClassicShell. What exactly are you expecting from them, to wipe your nose for you as well?
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]You clearly are incapable of an adult conversation, i'm not the only person who disagrees with you, read the forums, there are plenty, but as usual you do what most loudmouth bullies do and try to shout them down and say "because several other people agree with me I must be right"...So I work for Microsoft do I? Is that really the best you can do? Your entire argument is based on fear and pessimism with no foundation other than your belief, which by sheer definition makes you the fanboi...What exactly are you afraid of? That you won't be able to install pirated software? Windows 8 already allows non-Metro software to be installed, free software allows you bypass Metro on startup, you could have spent all of 10 seconds looking for it yourself - but no, you just rant on again and anyone that thinks the opposite to you gets insults...I have seen your sort come and go many times in these forums, haven't been here 10 minutes, hardly any posts and act like a seagull - swoop in, make a lot of noise and shit on everything[/citation]
Not a single one of my posts have used argumentum ad populum to support my position. Either you're getting my posts confused with someone else (likely) or you're flailing around in hopes that nobody will notice that you're not actually countering my arguments (also likely). On the other hand, here you are, doing exactly what you're accusing me of. Just because people share your position doesn't make it not wrong.

Anyway, whatever, bro. I've been posting on TH for two years, and have been reading for longer than that, but keep on believing I came around solely to rant about Windows 8...
 
[citation][nom]irh_1974[/nom]I'm sure some people want Firefox installed and working on Windows straight out of the box too, but obviously that doesn't happen, Microsoft have earned the right to "suggest" their preferred option, but ultimately give you the choice to do what you want. Don't want Internet Explorer? OK i'll download Firefox. Don't want Metro? OK i'll download ClassicShell. What exactly are you expecting from them, to wipe your nose for you as well?[/citation]

Nope. But the option to REMOVE metro and all its tabletnes from my DESKTOP OS would be appreciated(just like IE)!! Release Microsoft Tiles for all you kids that embrace this lego duplo block interface that Microsoft insists on CRAMMING DOWN OUR THROAT! Then Release a proper DESKTOP OS For the other 75% of us. An option is all it would take to fix this issue, but then they couldnt mold us into there APP ZOMBIES like all the Isheep! Hell even Apple sees there is a place for TWO DIFFERENT operating systems. If (more likely when) the slate fails, then how smart will Moneysofts strategy be? Do you people want this kind of crap from here on out? 'Cause thats whats instore for us if they deem windowsGREAT a success!
 
[citation][nom]Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer[/nom]Not a single one of my posts have used argumentum ad populum to support my position[/citation]
Apart from this one
[citation][nom]Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer[/nom]It's almost like you think you're arguing against one person with one complaint instead of several people with different complaints[/citation]
Sounds like using argumentum ad populum to support your position to me
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[citation][nom]Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer[/nom]I've been posting on TH for two years[/citation]
Yep, and in that 2 years you have posted 118 times, mostly in the last couple of months, mostly in Windows 8 articles where you have a solid rant - you think i'm blind? Your a bully and a troll and everyone knows it
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Apart from this one...Sounds like using argumentum ad populum to support your position to me...[/citation]
Failure of reading comprehension on your part does not constitute logical fallacy on mine. But since you seem to think that putting words in my mouth, either other people's or your own, is an actual, viable argumentation technique, it's pretty obvious that trying to have a rational discussion with you is a waste of my (and everyone's) time.
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Yep, and in that 2 years you have posted 118 times, mostly in the last couple of months, mostly in Windows 8 articles where you have a solid rant - you think i'm blind? Your a bully and a troll and everyone knows it[/citation]
Oh, hey, you finally figured out that you can click on forum handles! Good for you!

Dude, seriously...keep on trolling. It's obvious you're incapable of actually having a rational discussion, so...
 
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