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Chris when you guys do a full review, could you possibly waste twice as much time on it, and not only test it with an i7 system, but also with one running a q9300 or e8500 or similar (overclocked moderately ofcourse) ? Most of us don't have i7 systems, and it'd be very important for us to know if we can even feed the cards with enough data to work properly.
 
Neiro,

For something like that, I almost think it’d be worth a separate piece. In a review, I’d want to give the hardware as much horsepower as possible to make good comparisons possible. In a scaling story, you could take the 295 and X2, for instance, and check to see at what point both cards start getting choked up by platform bottlenecks. Something like that sound good?
 
It does, but if it won't be released in january or early february, I'd question the use of it, since it'll already be known thru rumors how much power is needed for the cards to work properly.
All it'd take would be to pop the card in a mainstream pc with p35 chipset and some c2d cpu - I'm sure you've got one of those around - and just do a single benchmark for comparison. To get a feel for it.
 
I'd like to know why 1.8gb of ram?

This x2 card makes sense and quite expectedly so. You can argue nvidia has the upper hand now since they released a more powerful x2 card after AMD.

Sort out the driver issues and this will be a good enthusiast card. 3x295 is better than 3x 4780x2's right?
 
[citation][nom]neiroatopelcc[/nom]I replaced a failed 8800gtx with an 4870 this summer, and while the performance is adequate to my expectations, everything else is not! [/citation]

With all due respect, did you consider the possibility that you have a bad card and it's not the drivers?

I've recieved bad cards from both Ati and Nvidia, some dead right out of the box, some that crash without reason. So I send 'em back...

And are you sure your cooling is insufficient? Or your PSU? The driver boogeyman is all too often blamed for every problem. It's an easy armchair diagnosis.... not saying you specifically, but too many people don't dig into the issue and instead just throw the blame at drivers.

Maybe I'm just lucky, I dunno. I've been switching between Radeons and Geforces on my primary gaming machine for the last two years, I still can't think of a situation where either has had a game I couldn't play because of a driver problem. I have good cooling and power, might be a factor...
 
I think ATI (amd or whatever) will end up coming out with another card just a week or more when nvidia launches this card, and its probably gonna be another price to performance blow out. I think nvidia is to pricey for still being on GDDR3 slow core clocks and where are they're stream processors. I used to be a big nvidia fan till ati came out with the 2900xt and 1gb of gddr4. Sorry nvidia but i don't think i can ever go back to your line of cards.
 
[citation][nom]TheGreatGrapeApe[/nom]...But that's just me I guess, and it seems I an people like me are in the minority these days...[/citation]

lol, you old man. You should know by now that you are a minority in more ways than that. As you get older that gulf only increases. 😉

tin-foil hats aside, I believe you are dead-on with Nv's desire/motivation for the preview. Nothing against the Tom's writers (I feel you guys are doing the best w/ what you have) but I do feel that change is in the air [insert Obama-joke here] and things seem "different" with the overall feel of this article than in previews-past.

and all you flamers out there, that is not an anti-Nv statement as I believe if the roles were reversed ATI would do the same. It is just good marketing, however devious its intent. Both camps subscribe to these methods.

back @ ape: bummer on your injury... we have a ton of snow here but are in the midst of frigid-cold that prevents much enjoyment of it. Stay in one piece man, it's all fun and games till someone loses an eye. 😀
 
[citation][nom]TheGreatGrapeApe[/nom]
Not on that part, more like an unexpected bump , binding release , ejection, then chest impacting light powder covered stone situation... Monday night was when I felt it most and knew it wasn't just a bad bruise.[/citation]

Ouch - sorry to hear that, dude.

Take care of yourself on the hills, you crazy ah heck!
 
[citation][nom]Cleeve[/nom]With all due respect, did you consider the possibility that you have a bad card and it's not the drivers? I've recieved bad cards from both Ati and Nvidia, some dead right out of the box, some that crash without reason. So I send 'em back...And are you sure your cooling is insufficient? Or your PSU? The driver boogeyman is all too often blamed for every problem. It's an easy armchair diagnosis.... not saying you specifically, but too many people don't dig into the issue and instead just throw the blame at drivers.Maybe I'm just lucky, I dunno. I've been switching between Radeons and Geforces on my primary gaming machine for the last two years, I still can't think of a situation where either has had a game I couldn't play because of a driver problem. I have good cooling and power, might be a factor...[/citation]

The cooling isn't an issue. I've got more than adequate airflow, but I ain't sure my power supply is enough - but then, every calc I've done sais it is. So I am almost sure it is poor drivers that are causing my issues.
 
Thanks Sojrner and Cleeve. I'm sure it's just as cold where you guys are Cowtown isn't all that different in climate than Montana and Winterpeg.

Yeah, taking it easy, was going to go to Vancouver for Xmas with my sister, but flights have been canceled.

Worst part of being laid-up for the holidays is when watching more movies, especially comedies (which I love) and laughing, OMFG that hurts! Even cuts through the T3s and 800mg Motrins. I had to stop watching the Ricky Gervais special on HBO. So it's all holiday movies and Action for the next week or so. NO COMEDY!

Sojrner, yeah definitely an every shrinking minority, gonna have to get used to it I guess.

Anywhoo, have a great holidays boyz, wish you and yours all the best of the season and in the New Year.
 
Nvidia Know that ATI is just going to come out with another Video card to blow this one away. Why don't Nvidia Come out with more Video cards that are two to four video cards in one. like a GTX 280 x2 or even a 9800GTX x4. Would be even nicer if they make a 8800GTS 320/320 x2. If not ATi is going to do it. I'm going to guess with in the next few months.
 
[citation][nom]neiroatopelcc[/nom]With regards to sparky2010 :"The problem with ATI is that they release good products but give them incomplete/unoptimized drivers"
It does what you say it was supposed to. But it does not provide a stable gaming platform, a convenient platform for multi monitor setups, or a convenient platform for non-stock enclosures! I replaced a failed 8800gtx with an 4870 this summer, and while the performance is adequate to my expectations, everything else is not! The drivers keep crashing when I have my 19" lcd as secondary, and if I put my old tv as secondary I can't play games on the primary screen (22") at higher resolutions than 1024. And I still have that annoying fan spinup issue a short while after booting. And did I mention the graphics drivers crashing? I did - but I'll do it again. It crashes on average once or twice a week. Unable to reproduce it, it happends mostly when I'm running wow and have a secondary monitor active, or when I'm playing flatout ultimate carnage. But then, that's probably because I only play those two. Having abandoned farcry 2 because it performs so bad I stopped trying to play it.[/citation]
Yea some reason those drivers do not like wow. I can't send error report cuz I don't know how to set the email thing up.
 
[citation][nom]Rahbot[/nom]Nvidia Know that ATI is just going to come out with another Video card to blow this one away. Why don't Nvidia Come out with more Video cards that are two to four video cards in one. like a GTX 280 x2 or even a 9800GTX x4. Would be even nicer if they make a 8800GTS 320/320 x2. If not ATi is going to do it. I'm going to guess with in the next few months.[/citation]
Lets flip those quad whoopers like there nothing but drivers for quad are non existant atm for NVIDIA
 
[citation]Having abandoned farcry 2 because it performs so bad I stopped trying to play it...

Yea some reason those drivers do not like wow. I can't send error report cuz I don't know how to set the email thing up.[/citation]

I can't speak for WoW because I don't play it, but I've put a lot of time into Far Cry 2 with the 4830's I used during testing and playing and I haven't had a single crash (yet).
 
I have seen some reports of the .12 drivers from amd being problematic w/ crossfire on certain setups. Naturally, as both companies have released drivers that break some configs (especially multi-card configs) it is easy enough to simply revert back to the previous (working) version until a fix. This is not a defense or justification, simply an observation that if it is truly drivers that cause the issue (and not a different software or hardware install) then go back to the last working version and be happy. Most of you w/ crossfire/sli setups fight with these issues off and on already so you should be used to it. lol. 😉

green and red have both bonked stuff w/ new releases and (usually) issue a fast hotfix or (in the case of red) fix it on the next month's release.

A single bad release (from either camp) does not forever bad drivers make.
 
@ Cleeve : I didn't mean to imply it crashes. I haven't had it crash in fact. But for some reason it isn't running very well on my rig, and I was under the distinct impression it was supposed to run a lot better than crysis.
Anyway I've upped my clock to 395x9 on my e6600 now, and am running the 4870 at 790. Also I added the 8.12 drivers and disabled my secondary monitor. Perhaps those steps will make it run as expected.

ps. Remember the supreme commander talk the other day? Having now tried playing a 20km map with a friend (forged alliance now) we noticed his 3.4ghz e6400 with his 8800gtx isn't good enough for later in the game. So you're right. It does require a lot of the computer. The original still runs okay on the old P4 I mentioned though. But I suppose it has to do with the detail my dad doesn't do multiplayer.
 
I still fail to see the glamor of owning a card that has 1600 Stream Processing Units and is being one up'd by a card with less than half that. Im sure AMD is working on competition for nVidia's 295 and Im sure it will have a zip code worth of SPUs to do so. But for now I have to give props to nVidia for working on CUDA, PhysX, nForce, 9400m, Tesla and still manage to produce competition for AMD's ATI line of GPUs. And, didnt have to use the same amount of hardware to do so.
 
[citation][nom]constonce[/nom]I still fail to see the glamor of owning a card that has 1600 Stream Processing Units and is being one up'd by a card with less than half that. Im sure AMD is working on competition for nVidia's 295 and Im sure it will have a zip code worth of SPUs to do so. But for now I have to give props to nVidia for working on CUDA, PhysX, nForce, 9400m, Tesla and still manage to produce competition for AMD's ATI line of GPUs. And, didnt have to use the same amount of hardware to do so.[/citation]

It doesn't really matter how many shaders it has. It's like comparing a 6 liter v8 from an american sportscar with a bmw's 4 liter v8 - they may both produce the same ~470bhp and use the same amount of fuel - so does it matter in the end which is the bigger one? not really.
 
[citation][nom]constonce[/nom]I still fail to see the glamor of owning a card that has 1600 Stream Processing Units and is being one up'd by a card with less than half that. Im sure AMD is working on competition for nVidia's 295 and Im sure it will have a zip code worth of SPUs to do so. But for now I have to give props to nVidia for working on CUDA, PhysX, nForce, 9400m, Tesla and still manage to produce competition for AMD's ATI line of GPUs. And, didnt have to use the same amount of hardware to do so.[/citation]AMD uses a totally different approach to designing their GPUs. Comparing SPs directly is pointless.
 
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