des seems to be better than epu indeed atm:
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1348/gigabyte_des_and_asus_epu_tested/
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1348/gigabyte_des_and_asus_epu_tested/
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I'm currently using a Gigabyte motherboard,I used to use Asus but I had to replace almost everyone I bought (4/5 died one way or another)
I'm not saying don't buy Asus motherboards because I could of just had bad luck I'm just saying I have never had a problem with Gigbyte yet(out of 3 boards)..............maybe Tomshardware could do there own testing in this matter to find out who is lying.
I'm not saying don't buy Asus motherboards because I could of just had bad luck I'm just saying I have never had a problem with Gigbyte yet(out of 3 boards)..............maybe Tomshardware could do there own testing in this matter to find out who is lying.
[citation][nom]unifiedonboarddecoder[/nom]That's slander!!! All brands have lost credibility...except MSI! MSI is better than ASUS and Gigabyte combine through magical technology that puzzles scientist. MSI, the best of the best. If you don't have one than you're not the best so pick up a MSI board today loser.[/citation]
MSI boards are the biggest pieces of $h!t on this planet. I had one die in 1 year and 2 months and I hardly ever used it... and I'm not the only one who has had issues with MSI boards...
MSI boards are the biggest pieces of $h!t on this planet. I had one die in 1 year and 2 months and I hardly ever used it... and I'm not the only one who has had issues with MSI boards...
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I say we wait and see what the usual reviewers say, I for one am almost certain that Tom's will investigate this further (and with more than one Mobo each) becuase for all we know Gigabyte found that the lower end mobo's EPU sucked but the higher end kicked their asses (which might be why they didn't show it), who knows? which is why we should wait for unbiased reviews.
That's a good suggestion Navigator1(and others). Let Toms' support or disprove the claims of their articles rather than subject us to what piratepast40 was correct in labeling "cheap sensationalism". We get enough of that on the six o'clock news.
I agree that it was cheap on the side of gbite. What's good about having a resource like toms' report on this is that like what was mentioned (jonyb) they have the power to provide us with information (that we are left yearning for) beyond what just possible slander.
I agree that it was cheap on the side of gbite. What's good about having a resource like toms' report on this is that like what was mentioned (jonyb) they have the power to provide us with information (that we are left yearning for) beyond what just possible slander.
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First asus screws people with those crap batteried laptops, and I thought that was just a one time thing. Now this. Screw you ASUS. Looks like I will not be buying from you in the near future.
I wanna say that Asus failed me inthe past a7v600-x piece of u know what...
Ecs blow my whole computer .. china technology is crap ... Gigabyte so far so good using Japanese components ... i will never trust Asus again changing several components for the same motherboard made me furious never again crapsus ...
Ecs fu 2 ... Gigabyte most trustly brand so far.. not liars and you get more quality for the price...
Blames ON¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
Ecs blow my whole computer .. china technology is crap ... Gigabyte so far so good using Japanese components ... i will never trust Asus again changing several components for the same motherboard made me furious never again crapsus ...
Ecs fu 2 ... Gigabyte most trustly brand so far.. not liars and you get more quality for the price...
Blames ON¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
2001 Gigabite (don't know the exact version - with crap Via chipset)... Still WORKS
2002 Asus TUSL2 (i815 chipset - lame 512MB RAM max!)... Still WORKS
2007 2xAsus P5KC (E4500 2.2@2.2 Vcore1.25@1.1[1.06 load] || E4500 2.2@3 Vcore1.25@1.34)... No problems so far
2002 Asus TUSL2 (i815 chipset - lame 512MB RAM max!)... Still WORKS
2007 2xAsus P5KC (E4500 2.2@2.2 Vcore1.25@1.1[1.06 load] || E4500 2.2@3 Vcore1.25@1.34)... No problems so far
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Quote: "Asus RMAs new/expensive motherboards with USED/BROKEN motherboards. To tell with taking a chance on $200-$300 motherboards that you risk a used replacement with and even *if* they work don't work as advertised."
That's why I quit using Asus for my personal systems. I've had only two boards ever go bad on me from Asus, though I never bought the low end. However, both of them were replaced with obviously refurbished boards. They both worked, but you'd think they'd at least clean the boards up before sending them back out.
While Gigabyte customer support was better than Asus, I had more problems with them. I've purchased four boards from them in the past and all four had to be RMA'd. One went back twice. Though they gave me no hassle about it, I'm not a fan of the trial and error method.
MSI seems to be hit or miss. The boards I've played with from them have been either stellar or dirt with about a 50-50 split (my personal experience). I've never had an in-between.
I currently lean towards DFI. I haven't had a change to check out their tech support, though, as their boards have given me no issues. I just have a hard time being patient enough to wait for them to get to the market.
I'm hesitant to try Abit, but I'd be curious to know what board manufacturers people in this forum recommend.
Quote: "Asus RMAs new/expensive motherboards with USED/BROKEN motherboards. To tell with taking a chance on $200-$300 motherboards that you risk a used replacement with and even *if* they work don't work as advertised."
That's why I quit using Asus for my personal systems. I've had only two boards ever go bad on me from Asus, though I never bought the low end. However, both of them were replaced with obviously refurbished boards. They both worked, but you'd think they'd at least clean the boards up before sending them back out.
While Gigabyte customer support was better than Asus, I had more problems with them. I've purchased four boards from them in the past and all four had to be RMA'd. One went back twice. Though they gave me no hassle about it, I'm not a fan of the trial and error method.
MSI seems to be hit or miss. The boards I've played with from them have been either stellar or dirt with about a 50-50 split (my personal experience). I've never had an in-between.
I currently lean towards DFI. I haven't had a change to check out their tech support, though, as their boards have given me no issues. I just have a hard time being patient enough to wait for them to get to the market.
I'm hesitant to try Abit, but I'd be curious to know what board manufacturers people in this forum recommend.
From my own share of parts, I had more Gigabyte parts blown up/have problems.
Two graphic cards that burned out (an FX5700 and the replacement did the same a while later) earlier.
A motherboard that was DOA.
Asus for me is a tad better, with one dead motherboard (corrupted bios) only. My other boards all work fine (currently using one with EPU in it, and no there are no weird voltage drops like what others experienced, it stays at what I set in the bios, idle/med load/full load, but then again, different boards, different setup/cpus, so i prove nothing too.)
Does that mean anything? No.
Its always a chance with whatever you get, quality control for every company has improved over the years, but I doubt that only ASUS motherboards have blown up capacitors? The slides above state simply that only Japanese make good capacitors, true? Not really.
Asus lieing? Which marketing tactic is not a lie? Gigabyte's own claims are a marketing tactic as well. Don't believe what each manufacture says, it will always favor themselves. If you believe this without solid proof (currently theres none) then why not go believe Crossfire and SLI always gives you 2x the performance, that Tri-SLI/Quad and CrossfireX gives you 3X 4X the performance?
The key words in any marketing is "up to" the 80% statistics that ASUS measured was simply in optimal configuration favoring themselves. Gigabyte tests were also done in optimal conditions favoring them as well.
Two graphic cards that burned out (an FX5700 and the replacement did the same a while later) earlier.
A motherboard that was DOA.
Asus for me is a tad better, with one dead motherboard (corrupted bios) only. My other boards all work fine (currently using one with EPU in it, and no there are no weird voltage drops like what others experienced, it stays at what I set in the bios, idle/med load/full load, but then again, different boards, different setup/cpus, so i prove nothing too.)
Does that mean anything? No.
Its always a chance with whatever you get, quality control for every company has improved over the years, but I doubt that only ASUS motherboards have blown up capacitors? The slides above state simply that only Japanese make good capacitors, true? Not really.
Asus lieing? Which marketing tactic is not a lie? Gigabyte's own claims are a marketing tactic as well. Don't believe what each manufacture says, it will always favor themselves. If you believe this without solid proof (currently theres none) then why not go believe Crossfire and SLI always gives you 2x the performance, that Tri-SLI/Quad and CrossfireX gives you 3X 4X the performance?
The key words in any marketing is "up to" the 80% statistics that ASUS measured was simply in optimal configuration favoring themselves. Gigabyte tests were also done in optimal conditions favoring them as well.
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I'll buy whatever fit my needs (and my wallet). I used many Asus and Gigabyte sytems and never had any problems with either. I'm running a server 24/7 on an old Asus P4T-E and I'm surprised it still running. My brother's computer is running on a 2002 (forgot the model) Gigabyte mobo and it's still rock stable.
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Speaking of cheap capacitors. Look at this link all of a sudden after Gigabyte's accusations : http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-5131-view-Asus-P45-motherboards-list.html
Makes you wonder if Gigabyte doesn't have a point
Makes you wonder if Gigabyte doesn't have a point
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Hi Guys
First time commenting here. I'm an expat in Asia and electricity prices have gone up by 30% in May. I have both Asus and Gigabyte boards in my systems and both are quite acceptable performance and quality wise. I'd be interested to see what Tom's has to say about which has less power consumption because, franckly, I don't have the time or knowhow to test them against each other.
The quieter the better!
First time commenting here. I'm an expat in Asia and electricity prices have gone up by 30% in May. I have both Asus and Gigabyte boards in my systems and both are quite acceptable performance and quality wise. I'd be interested to see what Tom's has to say about which has less power consumption because, franckly, I don't have the time or knowhow to test them against each other.
The quieter the better!
As a the lead computer tech at a local computer repair shop I've seen motherboards from all the namebrands and I can tell you that capacitors can make or break a motherboard. I see many boards come in here with cheap capacitors blown out causing the computer not to boot. Now being also a TV repair shop we're able to replace those capacitors when shot.
As for problems with Asus boards, I've seen enough of them, but I've seen almost as many problems with other brands. The ones I used to trust the most were MSI but quality is down and having to pre-pay a $35 fee on the 3rd year of a board's 3 year warranty really isn't good. All boards are going to have issues. Personally I've owned parts from almost every brand and have mixed experiences with all.
Is it possible Asus is using cheap capacitors?
Yes, but so might other brands, including Gigabyte.
Can it make a difference using cheap capacitors?
Yes, impurities in the capacitors can cause them to fail sooner. Saving a little bit on cheap capacitors and causing an increased failure rate isn't acceptable.
Really it's going to be hit or miss with capacitor failure. For most people though, they have a better chance of their computer dying for other reasons before the capacitors have a chance to fail.
As for problems with Asus boards, I've seen enough of them, but I've seen almost as many problems with other brands. The ones I used to trust the most were MSI but quality is down and having to pre-pay a $35 fee on the 3rd year of a board's 3 year warranty really isn't good. All boards are going to have issues. Personally I've owned parts from almost every brand and have mixed experiences with all.
Is it possible Asus is using cheap capacitors?
Yes, but so might other brands, including Gigabyte.
Can it make a difference using cheap capacitors?
Yes, impurities in the capacitors can cause them to fail sooner. Saving a little bit on cheap capacitors and causing an increased failure rate isn't acceptable.
Really it's going to be hit or miss with capacitor failure. For most people though, they have a better chance of their computer dying for other reasons before the capacitors have a chance to fail.
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Just remember about capacitors - those problems affect all boards from many companies when there's a problem. The DELL GX280 Optiplex line sold in 2005 leaked like crazy. I've replaced over 40 motherboards for that issue, this year and last.
Now personally, I've been an Abit fan for years. However, with the ATI/AMD pairing, I'm not sure where to buy anymore, unless I jump the AMD ship and accept the Intel Q6600 as my next proc. I'm uber-anti-ATI and have been since they existed. Hate their drivers. I will only buy an nVidia video card, no matter what any chart or report says. If they (Abit) just didn't have that damned ATI chipset in their AMD boards, I'd consider one for my next machine.
Now personally, I've been an Abit fan for years. However, with the ATI/AMD pairing, I'm not sure where to buy anymore, unless I jump the AMD ship and accept the Intel Q6600 as my next proc. I'm uber-anti-ATI and have been since they existed. Hate their drivers. I will only buy an nVidia video card, no matter what any chart or report says. If they (Abit) just didn't have that damned ATI chipset in their AMD boards, I'd consider one for my next machine.
It's all cyclical anyway. If ASUS has gone to unreliable parts, their RMA costs will increase and they'll change them. All companies do it as part of cost-cutting.
The story sounds more like it's focused on this EPU thing and Gigabyte's assertion that it's just marketing garbage. Sounds like a simple enough thing to test for, the P5K I have doesn't have it, and if it did, I think I'd want to disable an automatic underclock/undervolt anyway.
The story sounds more like it's focused on this EPU thing and Gigabyte's assertion that it's just marketing garbage. Sounds like a simple enough thing to test for, the P5K I have doesn't have it, and if it did, I think I'd want to disable an automatic underclock/undervolt anyway.
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[citation][nom]cabose369[/nom]MSI boards are the biggest pieces of $h!t on this planet. I had one die in 1 year and 2 months and I hardly ever used it... and I'm not the only one who has had issues with MSI boards...[/citation]
Sorry but, I ran many MSI boards, and never had problem with any of them. So your point is if you have problem with one thing, it's automatically s***? If a Gigabyte blow you'll switch to ASUS, and if it blows too you'll switch to MAC?
For sur some component have flaws sometime, but it happens in any makes, just read other posts here, somes blame Gig because their one blowed, some agree because their ASUS blowed... it's all the same for reliablity , many records proves it, it's all around 3-6 % of defective boards, it's minor. You only need luck not to get a lemon.
Sorry but, I ran many MSI boards, and never had problem with any of them. So your point is if you have problem with one thing, it's automatically s***? If a Gigabyte blow you'll switch to ASUS, and if it blows too you'll switch to MAC?
For sur some component have flaws sometime, but it happens in any makes, just read other posts here, somes blame Gig because their one blowed, some agree because their ASUS blowed... it's all the same for reliablity , many records proves it, it's all around 3-6 % of defective boards, it's minor. You only need luck not to get a lemon.
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[citation][nom]cabose369[/nom]MSI boards are the biggest pieces of $h!t on this planet. I had one die in 1 year and 2 months and I hardly ever used it... and I'm not the only one who has had issues with MSI boards...[/citation]
I was only joking about that statement. MSI boards are great. I can't claim them to be the best but they have the best electrical effieciency out of the top of line 790FX chipsets. It beats Gigabyte and ASUS. check the 35 amd cpus test by tomshardware.
I was only joking about that statement. MSI boards are great. I can't claim them to be the best but they have the best electrical effieciency out of the top of line 790FX chipsets. It beats Gigabyte and ASUS. check the 35 amd cpus test by tomshardware.
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I think Gig is more trustworthy this time. If Gig is lying, Asus will simply sue Gig soon, let's wait and see. I hope Tom's can do a 3rd party test for it.
I have following personal experiences recently:
Experience 1:
I have a motherboard - Asus P5WDG2 WS Pro. (Intel 975X), purchased in late 2006. According to Asus website, BIOS 0905 supports Core 2 Quad Q9450. I was very happy to see that and bought the new CPU. But I realized I need to do overclocking in order to run the CPU at full speed (2.66GHz). I do not expect that as it has been never mentioned in the website! Luckily I can run the CPU with full speed without replacing the whole PC. (Gig will let you know if you need to overclock to support CPU released later than the motherboard.)
Experience 2:
My Eee PC 702 with keyboard having problem while I have the EeePC less than a month (I do take care of my laptop and not using too much). When I am in the repair centre (just 15 minutes), there are 3 more people having problem with Eee PC (one is SSD problem; another one is LAN port issue; the last one is power supply problem). I suddenly feel that I was the luckiest among them.
I have purchased many Asus products since 1997.
My experience is: The quality of Asus much less as good as before.
Now, I will stop buying Asus products.
I have following personal experiences recently:
Experience 1:
I have a motherboard - Asus P5WDG2 WS Pro. (Intel 975X), purchased in late 2006. According to Asus website, BIOS 0905 supports Core 2 Quad Q9450. I was very happy to see that and bought the new CPU. But I realized I need to do overclocking in order to run the CPU at full speed (2.66GHz). I do not expect that as it has been never mentioned in the website! Luckily I can run the CPU with full speed without replacing the whole PC. (Gig will let you know if you need to overclock to support CPU released later than the motherboard.)
Experience 2:
My Eee PC 702 with keyboard having problem while I have the EeePC less than a month (I do take care of my laptop and not using too much). When I am in the repair centre (just 15 minutes), there are 3 more people having problem with Eee PC (one is SSD problem; another one is LAN port issue; the last one is power supply problem). I suddenly feel that I was the luckiest among them.
I have purchased many Asus products since 1997.
My experience is: The quality of Asus much less as good as before.
Now, I will stop buying Asus products.
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