Graphics card buyers' guide updated

[Spitfire_x86]

Changes:

-3 new cards in the $300+ section
-old cards of this section are dumped in trash can
-GeForce 6800 Ultra crowned as best buy

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[Spitfire_x86]

bump!

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[coylter]

Can we have reason as why you put the 6800 as the best buy...



-Still iq problem
-Performance suck in farcry with forced 2.0 path...
-Only beat Ati in old game or in game using Q3 engine...


I dont get it...

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[Spitfire_x86]

ATI sucks in CoD, NV in FarCry. Performance difference in other games are ignorable.

PS 3.0, Hardware MPEG Encoding support gives nvidia feature advantage

I didn't bother to check IQ screenshots with my 33.6k dial-up. Are they as bad as GF-FX vs. Radeon 9800?

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[scottchen]

The IQ comparison's similar, except in Far Cry and Generals, the thing is ATI wins in all test with AF, or AA/AF.

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[coylter]

Best gaming card : ATI
Best movie editing card : Nvidia

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[coolsquirtle]

still iq problems? psh... just immature drivers
farcry? forced 2.0 path? who care when u can use the 3.0 path
erm.. no it beats ATi in newer games as well
and if u think 5-10 is OWNING!! then u got serious problems...

wait until PS3.0 games come out... that's when 6800Ultra shines your ass

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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

still iq problems? psh... just immature drivers

Hah! Immature, ok for this card, maybe, but for the whole line far from it. Where is all this great nV driver recovery? Seriously, that would be fine if these weren't TWIMTB-Pooped games. No excuse for immature drivers there, and in many cases this was the latest (2nd set) of drivers for the GF6800, and nothing chaged except for jumps in performance that brought other questions.
Why don't ATI supposed terrible drivers experience these same issues, even when reviewers use the old 4.4 Catalysts?

wait until PS3.0 games come out... that's when 6800Ultra shines your ass

When that happens people will be using it to shine their A$$, because the NV50 and R500 will destroy it. You show me one PS3.0 based game (not just a minor tweak of PS2.0 game) to launch in the near future and then I'd grant you that. The only thing that might come close to that would be the D]|[ and that's OGL so the limitations aren't as rigid as D3DX, I doubt even then the benifits would be as architecture based as they are extension and optimization based.

Right now I don't think anyone can pick a CLEAR winner. Both sides have their benifits. And there is no way that an Ultra nor an XTP are 'BEST BUYS', both OC terribly compared to their slightly lower brethren. Sure they are monsters, but I'd wait for the non-platinum XT, and for the price of the Ultras to actually solidify.

I find it funny that you still can't get a GF6800, but it's alrady part of a buyers' guide. But hey, if a change is needed so be it.

However like early FX5600Ur2 vs R9600P reviews I could show you as many reviews favouring one as the other. I'd really like to see the defence of the choice of either, beyond the idea that they are better deals than people want for 5950Us and R9800XTs.


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[pauldh]

You might not like the methods used in HardOCP's review's, but considering we have more apples to apples tests (not digging into possible driver flops) at so many other sites, I like that Kyle shows just what real world settings these cards can game at compared to other cards. Looking at his review <A HREF="http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjExLDEw" target="_new"> Here</A>, I'd say the playable settings on the 6800U are far lower than on the X800XTpe.

I'd also say it makes sense that the the X800pro should be the best buy in high end over $300 range as it is the only one that can be purchased immediately. Plus it OC's well, save $100 too. Then check into the $500 cards when they hit the shelves.

I'll go look into your updates more now. I just had to comment on the 6800U best buy thingy.


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[speeduk]

GeForce 6800 Ultra crowned as best buy

Is this a joke?


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[speeduk]

Paul is spot on.

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[Spitfire_x86]

GeForce 6800 Ultra crowned as best buy

Is this a joke?

No, it's not.

I think $300+ buyers' always look for the best, not better performer for money card (e.g. X800 Pro)

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[Spitfire_x86]

I've removed "best buy" from $300+ section, since it's controversial unlike other sections. Let the buyer decide based on + and - points of each card

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[coolsquirtle]

this forum is so crawling with ATi monkeys... i can't take this anymore

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[dhlucke]

Best gaming card : ATI
Best movie editing card : Nvidia

That's a much better guide!

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[dhlucke]

this forum is so crawling with ATi monkeys... i can't take this anymore

Leave the stash of beer before you go

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[rook]

I'm not an ATI fanboy, I'm just a NV nonfanboy. If there were more than 2 companys in the running I might use something besides ATI, but I still wouldn't use NV.

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[Spitfire_x86]

Current top XGI card is practically worse than MX440

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[coolsquirtle]

screw u i'm taking all the beers with me

YES ALL OF THEM!!! EVEN THE ONES UP UR ASS!!!!! HAND THEM OVER!!

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[endyen]

Has anyone seen the 6800 do editing or run ps3?
Maybe I dont trust Nvidia graphics devision?

 

[coolsquirtle]

dude..... that's just wrong... u on crack again?

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