GT 300 / Fermi Expected launch late November

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that i was talking about all the time...maybe their money grow on trees who knows...same thing with gtx 260, when it was released it was about 450 and in a few months price was drop significiantly
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That's because the ATI's were faster and a lot cheaper. Fermi will be neither.
 
The cards will be priced on price vs performance.
If the G300 isnt killing the 5870 itll be priced accordingly, and the 5870 wont move much at all in pricing.
If it does kill the 5870, itll be priced quite high, and leave room for the 5870s current price somewhat.
Either way, the 5870x2, depending on perf, which at least we know what the perf is, wont be priced higher than 500-550$ , so that leaves the G300 in the 400$+ window, so the 5870 may come down to the low 300$ range, but not much less than that
 
The 5870x2 will blow away the top g300 and will almost certainly cost less to make due to yields. Two 2 billion gpu's are probably better on yields than one 3 billion gpu, especially when the maker of the 3 billion gpu has such a lack of experience with so many issues.
 
Morning. I saw an epic sunrise this morning, just over some houses down the street. There must have been some hazy cloud covering it slightly because it wasn't bright to look at. It was kind of like what you see in all those African shows where the sun is huge close to the horizon (although not as big as they show in docos). I haven't seen anything like that before myself.

Sunrises are more interesting than Fermi at the moment 😛
 


Given nVidia's past pricing policies AND THE AMOUNT OF EFFING TRANSISTORS IN THE GT300, and their seeming inability to produce single G300s, I doubt many people will pull out their credit cards for one of them.
 


same thing with a 5870x2, there is always someone who will buy that card because they only want the best card and nothing else and thats called ultra high end market...
 
Isn't the first GT300 Fermi cards meant to be for business applications? Unless you really like cards that can crunch numbers for research purposes I don't get what all the fuss is about, you won't see consumer GT300 cards until next year.
 
Does anyone here actually read sites OTHER than Charlie or FUD?

There actually has been credible sources saying the new GT300's high end card might be out by the end of this year, not just fudzilla.

Go look on the brightsideofnews or just google it, I've found a few sites. I actually made a big GT300 thread over at the extreme overclocking forums if you care to check.

I including all the info I could, even FUD, but more reliable sources as well. Sometimes FUD can be somewhat relevant though, like NVIDIA top employees twittering about how the GT300 will destroy the R870. Gotta read bewteen the lines on those.

The MAINSTREAM Fermi cards are unlikely to be out until next year, but the GT380 is allegedly due out the end of this Nov.

There's already been tons of credible news sites months ago saying NVIDIA had already taped-out and was ahead of schedule (their yeilds are fine btw), I see no reason why that would have changed.

As for pricing, NVIDIA learned their lesson already with the 200 series, ATI caught them with their pants down on that one, and as a result they have to cave their pricing. NVIDIA wont make that mistake again, they've already stated they plan on pricing the newer cards a bit more competitively, in the $500 to $600 range.
 
brightsideofnews is a credible source? Most of Theo Valich's stuff is plagiarised from Charlie and Fud.

If fermis yields are fine can we at least see some working demo's and have the CEO of NVidia hold up an actual working fermi card this time?
 


NVIDIA always does this with new products, makes you wait, it is annoying as all hell, but that's marketting.

But Brightside is more credible than some, I see them post things before most usually (in fact, I see most people plagarize off THEM), there's Anandtech articles and X-bit articles on it as well, as I said, I made a thread about it on eocf.

They demo'd a real GT300 engineering sample already. Not sure what everyone is so up in arms about that for, of course they didn't hand out a real card to media to manhandle, no company does that.

AMD did the same thing with their 5800 series, you don't give out WORKING copies of an expensive card (specially if you have few for demos), for display purposes.
 
It makes no sense for Nvidia to 'make us wait'. Why would they do that while AMD sells 100,000's of 5870's?

The card isnt ready, it's nowhere near production status yet. If the yields are 10-20% then that simply isn't production viable, and only time can fix that.

'Late November', that's 4-6 weeks away. Do any of you truly believe that Nvidia are gonna release fermi in that timeframe? Forget it, it's a total pipe dream. Late February perhaps.
 


They aren't making you wait because they WANT to. They are doing it because they have to. They are late to the game already as AMD has a clear headstart so they don't want to start over-releasing info and killing the hype 'til they can actually deliver something.

Nvidia said AGES ago (nvidia, not fudzilla) that the yields were perfectly fine. The chip was taped-out months ago. Stop taking info from Charlie, he's wrong. I know fudzilla stretches the truth sometimes, it's true, but Charlie just buries the truth in an avalanche of b/s.

So again, taped-out, yields are fine, ahead of schedule. The whole 300 line wont be out this year, obviously, but the high end card(s) are supposed to make it by the end of 2009, which is entirely possible. That's only a couple months sooner anyways (if that), so why is that such a stretch.

Now, NVIDIA could totally be lying out their arses and making it all up; however, I don't think they would do that after AMD has shown they can actually be semi-competitive. They don't want to take more damage from this than they already have.

In any case though, NVIDIA still owns the majority of the GPU market share, so until AMD changes that... all of this is still pretty moot.
 
As far as I am concerned the GT300 is just a mythological chip people will eventually forget about. As for the super computing field it may only turn out to be a fad since there is already readily available CELLBE in the form of AIB (add in board) that uses a ordinary 16x pci-e slot while being able to run power pc code that are common use for servers used by Blizard for it's WOW. Once this chip comes out we will see if it is another much needed G80 or a fail whale like the NV35.
 
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that fermi will launch late november. None whatsoever, all we've seen is an empty shell that was supposed to be fermi and one demo which may or may not have been fermi...it could just as easily have been a couple of 5870's doing that demo.

Nvidia dont even have a proper dx10.1 working part yet because of driver issues, never mind dx11. They are still having issues with gddr5 too. No reviewers have mentioned any chance of seeing fermi in November, in fact most are saying Q1 2010 at the *earliest*. The only ones who aren't saying that are Fud and BSoN.

To believe that yields on a scratch built chip of the size of fermi are 'fine' just makes no sense either. If miracles happen, then yes I suppose so, otherwise the money is on fermi yields being a lot less than fine. ATI did all of TSMC's 40nm donkey work with the 4770, Nvidia were months behind.

It is just about possible than Nvidia will paper launch fermi in late november, but general availability will not happen until the start of next year at best.
 


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You seem to think I mean a full blown wide-spread launch. I don't believe that at all.

I'm sure however they will release a limited quantity of 380's or something before christmas to cash in on that. Even with crap yeilds, producing a single line of single GPU cards in small quantities when you can sell them at a crazy price markup is entirely doable.

The real question is, who will pay the extra price for such a thing, the answer.... me for one, assuming it does indeed out perform the 5870 by a significant amount. Hell I'll probably buy 2 to SLI for the shear awesomeness of it, might as well spend my co-op money on something. It's the same reason I have an HT Omega and incredibly expensive surround sound system for my comp, cause some of us love that kind of power. Same reason I'm probably going to spend a few hundred on a Cowon S9.

And considering 99% of DX11 features can be done with DX10 through software emulation, I highly doubt tesselation alone is holding them back by months.....

And yeah, only FUD and BSON are saying it'll be out by Nov., you're right, how could I be so blind... Oh man, what's this... google... what a lovely tool, cough cough.
 


Hahah

Anandtech

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Xbitlabs

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Inpai

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Nvidia

Sorry got carried away, do you people really just read the first link on a search engine and ignore the rest or something?

If nVidia pulls a MATROX.... then you all have every right to nut me, until then, I'ma keep playing devil's advocate on all you nVidia haters...
 
Google? Ok.

1st is Fud
2nd is http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20091001125155_Nvidia_Rumoured_to_Delay_Launch_of_Next_Generation_GeForce_Fermi_to_2010.html

"At the GTC, Nvidia demonstrated the A1 revision of the Fermi-G300 graphics chip made in late August, whereas usually the company uses only A2 or even A3 revisions on commercial products. It usually takes months to create a new revision, therefore, it is highly unlikely that the new GeForce GTX 380 arrives in 2009."
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And the rest under that are just copying what Fud said about 3 cards being launched.

http://vr-zone.com/forums/490863/nvidia-plans-three-fermi-cards-at-launch.html

Seriously click it and see it is just a copy of what Fud said, linking to the site at the bottom. There is nothing to see except copies of what Fuad wrote.
 


I've been googling news for this thing every day for the past few weeks, hence where I've found all this. I've searched everything from Fermi to GT300 to GF100 to nVidia to news..... and then all of those randomly jumbled together. Do all that, use google's time frame selecting deal, and browse for more than 2 seconds, I guaruntee you will find other sites than FUD, BSON, etc. (and not just forums either).

You just have to sort your way through all that crap to find the non-FUD copied crap.

EDIT: Do that every day for a few weeks as well :)
 
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