GT 300 / Fermi Expected launch late November

[Mousemonkey]

It's also worth noting that Nvidia doesn't have a competing option against eyefinity.

However should Nvidia choose to produce a six output card based on the Fermi chip then the Eyefinity software will work perfectly on it, AMD/ATi being the caring sharing corp that they are. A safe assumption?

 

[chef7734]

If you want to find eyefinity benchmarks, try using google. They're out there.

And none use 3 30" displays.

 

[rangers]

http://www.guru3d.com/article/ati-eyfinity-editorial-review/

nvidia cant pump out that resolution, plus one of the best things about DX11 is tessellation god knows how nvidia cards will handle games with heavy tessellation if its not in hardware

 

[Mousemonkey]

And if I were the king of France I'd give everyone cupcakes.

Bottom line, the option doesn't exist nor has a hint that anyone is working on it, or is even being pondered by Nvidia. There's not even a rumor of a rumor. So no, there's no safe assumption in any of that. As far as reality is concerned; ATI is the only option, and will continue to be the only option, for multi-display gaming.

Eyefinity currently only works on the 5000s. You can't make it work with the 4000s in ATI's own line. So to assume the software ports to any card is wrong.

It's a hypothetical question, If nv were to produce such a card, IF they did, would ATi's software work on it?

 

[Mousemonkey]

Which then begs the question why should Nv share Physx when ATi won't share Eyefinity (If there was a new card that could use it of course), this is not directed at you by the way I'm just throwing it out there, just because it's their own little baby if it enhances the gaming experience then surely they should give it to their competitors just as they have to make sure that any future games developed with Eyefinity in mind have to look just as good on whatever Nv's equivalent may be.

 

[Mousemonkey]

See, I knew you were going down the stupid road or trolling one.

Eyefinity is not like physx, absolutely no comparison. It has nothing to do with games directly. Indeed, no special support is needed for eyefinity in games, only multiple aspect ratio support which has nothing to do with ATI, nvidia or anyone else.

It is just a driver enhancement for functionality reasons whilst physx is a physics middleware that is vendor locked.

Lets steer away from the stupid road please. Like for like comparisons only would help.

It was a hypothetical question, I was not comparing the two techs I was asking whether ATi would allow their software to work on a competitors card.

 

[jennyh]

Eyefinity isn't something that can be patented, it's just gaming on 3 screens. There was an interesting argument from Red Hat, who claim all software is just maths and therefore should be patent free. They are actually in court with that right now trying to get some judge to buy it.

We're heading down that road anyway, perhaps not for a few years yet but eventually it will get there.

 

[OvrClkr]

Well the reason is easy, its not the first time that we see gaming on 3 screens, this was done years ago, the only difference is that with the 5XXX series you do not need an adapter....

 

[Mousemonkey]

Eyefinity isn't something that can be patented, it's just gaming on 3 screens. There was an interesting argument from Red Hat, who claim all software is just maths and therefore should be patent free. They are actually in court with that right now trying to get some judge to buy it.

We're heading down that road anyway, perhaps not for a few years yet but eventually it will get there.

It's the screen management software that is part of the driver package that my question concerns, my hypothetical question remember as Nv have given no indication that they have any intention of making a six port card, but if they did and hardware wise it was capable of using the ATi software would ATi let them?

 

[Mousemonkey]

Still no, for the reasons I listed before. The eyefinity software doesn't communicate with any cards other than the ATI 5000s. If you know any Nvidia cards that work using Catalyst drivers, I'd be interested to hear about it.

I give up, no there are no Nvidia cards that use ATi software and I never alluded that there were just as I know that there are no ATi cards that use Nv software.

 

[Harrisson]

It's the screen management software that is part of the driver package that my question concerns, my hypothetical question remember as Nv have given no indication that they have any intention of making a six port card, but if they did and hardware wise it was capable of using the ATi software would ATi let them?

As others said, its apples to tomatoes comparison. Eyefinity is drivers enhanced multi-monitor support, all game devs have to do - add more resolutions, thats it. If/when Nvidia will want to support those resolutions, it can use it just as well. Physics is entirely different thing, and should be industry standard, accessible to any game studio and any manufacturer. If PhysX wont become open - it will be dead end tech, and will be replaced by whatever OpenCL/DC physics standard.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

What I want to know is why the excuses and redirection to Eyefinity?

Just like all other Fermi/F100/G300/GT300, people don't understand the basics of what is being said, and therefore buy into the BS.

So the 'news' is far from it and as empty and the demo card JHH held aloft.

As for Eyfinity, it's not the same thing, nV can do it similarly and the game support built into games can work on both, nV just needs to put the hardware and drivers into their solution to support it, it has less to do with ATi's relationships than nV's own actions, this is not the same as Batman, anyone bringing that up doesn't understand either.

 

[randomizer]

TripleHead2Go FTW.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Exactly, and how do you make TH2Go work?

No excuse there for nV, either they get the hardware in the NVIO or they, don't, but at the very least it starts with a new NVIO requirement, and the NVIO is almost a guarantee if they're focusing on TESLA boards instead of graphics, and then the controllers.

So if they don't offer it in hardware, then it's either a $100 add-on for TH2Go (with lower res support) or else an HD5K series card.

 

[chef7734]

What I want to know is why the excuses and redirection to Eyefinity?

Just like all other Fermi/F100/G300/GT300, people don't understand the basics of what is being said, and therefore buy into the BS.

So the 'news' is far from it and as empty and the demo card JHH held aloft.

As for Eyfinity, it's not the same thing, nV can do it similarly and the game support built into games can work on both, nV just needs to put the hardware and drivers into their solution to support it, it has less to do with ATi's relationships than nV's own actions, this is not the same as Batman, anyone bringing that up doesn't understand either.

There never was any excuse or redirection. A fanboy made a huge statement and needed to be shown what is going on. you had the same thing with all the ati fanboys on the forum before the card every came out or specs were released. Everyone went crazy over a picture and when someone said anything against it they were accused of being a fanboy no matter what was said and not the same thing is going on except the people posting the pictures are being accused as being a fanboy and all of a sudden it is not ok because it is not someone posting about ati. This holier than thou attitude with the ati fanboys needs to stop and people need to see the whole picture and stop the double standard and be objective. As I have stated before I could care less who is on top as long as everyone is open to the facts. Thats why I run core i7 so I can run either crossfire or sli.

 

[EXT64]

Yeah, we really need the facts to come out on the GTX 380 or whatever it will be called. Maybe it will calm down then, or at least until the first refresh (and that is probably optimistic).

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

This holier than thou attitude with the ati fanboys needs to stop and people need to see the whole picture and stop the double standard and bee subjective.

Actually that's the problem, people ARE being subjective, when they should be OBJECTIVE. I realize you meant Objective, but that's not likely in this unbalanced fact vs hope situation. And the discussion of anything other than the believability of a November 'launch' in this thread seems irrelevant, but it seems that both G300/F100 threads have gone from the possibility of this chip seeing anything more than a review bench by Novemeber to discussion of some other features (Eyefinity and Batman AA).

It's also funny how there's more 'positive' posts about the spin on the F100/G300 fiasco rather than the actual launch of the HD5850, but yes let's be 'subjective', because it's pretty damn hard to be objective about something that only exists sofar in a few PDFs and Powerpoint slides and a mock-up, versus cards people actually have in their hands.

I've seen others have taken the role of devil's advocate to offer balance, but I have no such allusions, and strictly say, give me the damn engineering card, warts and all, or else stop feedind FUAD FUD, because I knew what the F100 looked like before the event (thanks to strategic leaks) and I didn't need either the fake board or the fake launch BS and 'fake' dates.

As I have stated before I could care less who is on top as long as everyone is open to the facts.

I agree, but give me the Facts, not the FUD that we've had sofar, and I definitely don't need discussions of unrelated issues as a defense of that FUD.

All I need now is someone to tell me when it arrives (or else confirm how textures and other graphics questions will be handled) until then, it's as useful as having a Haynes book about a car model instead of actually having that vehicle to get me to work.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I know what its like to be on the waiting end, and its not fun.
If G300 is as successful as nVidia hopes, itll be a decent card, but it still has to come in a decent price, with a few lil brothers that also perform well too, and again, priced right.

 

[chef7734]

Actually that's the problem, people ARE being subjective, when they should be OBJECTIVE. I realize you meant Objective, but that's not likely in this unbalanced fact vs hope situation. And the discussion of anything other than the believability of a November 'launch' in this thread seems irrelevant, but it seems that both G300/F100 threads have gone from the possibility of this chip seeing anything more than a review bench by Novemeber to discussion of some other features (Eyefinity and Batman AA).

It's also funny how there's more 'positive' posts about the spin on the F100/G300 fiasco rather than the actual launch of the HD5850, but yes let's be 'subjective', because it's pretty damn hard to be objective about something that only exists sofar in a few PDFs and Powerpoint slides and a mock-up, versus cards people actually have in their hands.

I've seen others have taken the role of devil's advocate to offer balance, but I have no such allusions, and strictly say, give me the damn engineering card, warts and all, or else stop feedind FUAD FUD, because I knew what the F100 looked like before the event (thanks to strategic leaks) and I didn't need either the fake board or the fake launch BS and 'fake' dates.

As I have stated before I could care less who is on top as long as everyone is open to the facts.

I agree, but give me the Facts, not the FUD that we've had sofar, and I definitely don't need discussions of unrelated issues as a defense of that FUD.

All I need now is someone to tell me when it arrives (or else confirm how textures and other graphics questions will be handled) until then, it's as useful as having a Haynes book about a car model instead of actually having that vehicle to get me to work.

Thanks mate. That is what happens when you are really tired and reply. I knew it did not quite look right as I typed it. I agree. I would love some facts on the matter just as I stated when they posted a pic and had no clue about the ati release. I would love a nov launch for this card as it will allow me to upgrade sooner. If it takes more than say 4 months then I will go ahead and buy the top card at that time. I guess I could always get a card now and if nvidia beats it sell the card to an ati fanboy. lol. problem is I usually dont buy just one it is usually in a triplet when buying vid cards. ATI has the fastest card right now but I would still like to see what nvidia has up its sleeves before I purchase one or the other.

 

[wiinippongamer]

I doubt it happens, but we need competition so I dont mind if Nvidia would launch like... yesterday 😛 More realistically hard launch wont happen until next year. Only Nvidia fans and those who really dont need an upgrade wont buy 5xxx series till then, see sig 😉

only an idiot will buy a 5870 now, knowing that it will drop at least half of its price when gt300 comes out, that's ati's strategy

 

[OvrClkr]

only an idiot will buy a 5870 now, knowing that it will drop at least half of its price when gt300 comes out, that's ati's strategy

Negative Sir, the 5870 will not drop its price in half like you stated.... The 5870 is considered a bargain right now since it has more or less the same performance as a GTX 295 but yet it uses less power, runs cooler and is DX11 ready.... non the less the 100.00$+ you save compared to the 295......

I don't know where you got that info but it is obviosly wrong. And no that is not ATI's strategy, they would be losing a TON of money if they sold the 5870 for 180.00/190.00$$$

 

[Guest]

only an idiot will buy a 5870 now, knowing that it will drop at least half of its price when gt300 comes out, that's ati's strategy

that i was talking about all the time...maybe their money grow on trees who knows...same thing with gtx 260, when it was released it was about 450 and in a few months price was drop significiantly

 

[Guest]

Negative Sir, the 5870 will not drop its price in half like you stated.... The 5870 is considered a bargain right now since it has more or less the same performance as a GTX 295 but yet it uses less power, runs cooler and is DX11 ready.... non the less the 100.00$+ you save compared to the 295......

I don't know where you got that info but it is obviosly wrong. And no that is not ATI's strategy, they would be losing a TON of money if they sold the 5870 for 180.00/190.00$$$

if nvidia release faster card than they will need to drop price because its their strategy so dont be so sure in that.

 

[OvrClkr]

Yea but not by half, look at the 4870x2.... Nvdia came out with the GTX 295 and ATI only lowered the price by 100/150.00$....

The 5870 will cost 180.00$ maybe in 2 years, but not when Nvdia launches the 3xx series.....

 

[Guest]

of course not a half but 80-100 $ will be more than enough for begining, and that will be a pressure for nvidia to drop price for gt 300 and thats good for us consumers...raw performance for few bucks...