GTX 1070 performance issues (?)

[Eddlicious]

To put it simply: I have a strong feeling that my MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X 8GB is heavily underperforming. It has been a common subject of discussion between me and my mates how they are reaching higher frames per second (with the same settings as I run the games we play on), but with last generation's cards. I'm talking GTX 970's and GTX 980 TI's is what they are running.

One example is DayZ Standalone. We were running around in-game, brought up the discussion of each other's FPS since they reworked the renderer (he was running the game maxed out, I was running it one preset lower). He was getting around 180 FPS outside of in-game cities and 60 to 80 FPS within in-game cities. I was getting 100-140 outside of them and 35-55 inside of them. He runs a GTX 980 TI, 16 GB of RAM and I believe a CPU that matches the performance of my CPU (Intel Core i5-6500).

If anyone has any clue what might be the problem, please reply.


Here are my specs if needed:

OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit

CPU: Skylake's Intel Core i5-6500 @ 3.20GHz

RAM: 16GB Dual-Channel @1064MHz

Motherboard: MSI B150M MORTAR

GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Gaming X

Monitor: SL23T-1 LED (1920x1080@60Hz)

Storage: 1863GB Western Digital WDC WD20EZRZ-00Z5HB0 (SATA and 465GB Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB (SSD)

Audio: Realtek High Definition Audio



EDIT: This computer with these parts was built from scratch and is no older than six weeks at most. No upgrades or other modifications done to the computer after it was built.

 

[RobCrezz]

Dayz is not the best coded game and is quite heavily reliant on CPU power, so if he has a higher clocked i5 or i7 that could be the reason.

 

[Eddlicious]

Dayz is not the best coded game and is quite heavily reliant on CPU power, so if he has a higher clocked i5 or i7 that could be the reason.

PlanetSide 2 is another example (a game back from 2012). We would both be running the game with graphical settings maxed out and he would always have significantly higher FPS. He reached 140 FPS in places where I barely hanged on to 60 (50-60).

 

[RobCrezz]

Can you get his exact system specs?

Older single threaded games are extremely reliant on IPC and clock speed.

 

[Wayfall]

Hi

I actually tried out Dazy Standalone again to see if they had fixed many of the issues

(hover over my pic to see specs)
I played on high settings with AA low and got 60fps Vysnced (even in cities), got bored of the game thou after a while.

 

[Eddlicious]

Can you get his exact system specs?

Older single threaded games are extremely reliant on IPC and clock speed.

I'll ask what his exact specs are as soon as he is online.

But by far it feels as if the performance differences are more or less in every game we have played together online. My mates' computers (which on paper should not outperform mine afaik) getting always better performance. So, if you have anything else in mind that might be the problem, please reply.

 

[burdenbound]

Can you get his exact system specs?

Older single threaded games are extremely reliant on IPC and clock speed.

I'll ask what his exact specs are as soon as he is online.

But by far it feels as if the performance differences are more or less in every game we have played together online. My mates' computers (which on paper should not outperform mine afaik) getting always better performance. So, if you have anything else in mind that might be the problem, please reply.

Monitor CPU/GPU temps, core clock, and usage. You want to look and see if one of those are getting maxed out when you are experiencing low fps. On top of that you want to make sure your core clock is staying maxed out and not being throttled.

Like others have said, DayZ is not a good game to test with.

 

[Eddlicious]

Can you get his exact system specs?

Older single threaded games are extremely reliant on IPC and clock speed.

These are the specs he could name from the top of his head in a hurry (was busy):

Motherboard: ASUS x99 Deluxe
CPU: Intel i7-5820k @ 3.5Ghz
GPU: ASUS NVIDIA 980Ti STRIX
RAM: 12 or 16 GB

 

[carlo_bigtunes]

quote from here

well, I'm old in cs and say: no matter how much fps you get. if your monitor is 60hz is what he will give at the end, 60fps and nothing beyond that, no matter your processor, video card. The ticket of the server refers to "packets / sec" and does not have the power to limit fps on your hardware.
I've always had a PC assuring me much more than 60fps, however fixed at 60 to avoid abrupt oscillations. What can not happen is you get less fps than your refresh rate, but this is a problem, we feel at the time.

If you have a 60hz monitor set your fps_max to 60fps

If you have a Monitor of 120hz set your fps_max to 120fps

below fps refresh rate - never
above fps refresh rate - useless
fps leveled to refresh rate - the best choice.

 

[Eddlicious]

quote from here

well, I'm old in cs and say: no matter how much fps you get. if your monitor is 60hz is what he will give at the end, 60fps and nothing beyond that, no matter your processor, video card. The ticket of the server refers to "packets / sec" and does not have the power to limit fps on your hardware.
I've always had a PC assuring me much more than 60fps, however fixed at 60 to avoid abrupt oscillations. What can not happen is you get less fps than your refresh rate, but this is a problem, we feel at the time.

If you have a 60hz monitor set your fps_max to 60fps

If you have a Monitor of 120hz set your fps_max to 120fps

below fps refresh rate - never
above fps refresh rate - useless
fps leveled to refresh rate - the best choice.

That does not explain how my FPS is dropping below 60 in situations where (at least on paper) less efficient systems (performance wise on paper) aren't. My system is not even half a year old either.

And yeah I know, FPS beyond 60 on a 60Hz monitor is not going to change anything compared to the FPS being a flat 60 on a 60Hz mointor, but for comparison's sake I mentioned the FPS's I was hitting and my friend was hitting when neither of us had VSync/GSync enabled as it clearly shows some issues with the performance of my system which I have no clue about.

 

[burdenbound]

quote from here

well, I'm old in cs and say: no matter how much fps you get. if your monitor is 60hz is what he will give at the end, 60fps and nothing beyond that, no matter your processor, video card. The ticket of the server refers to "packets / sec" and does not have the power to limit fps on your hardware.
I've always had a PC assuring me much more than 60fps, however fixed at 60 to avoid abrupt oscillations. What can not happen is you get less fps than your refresh rate, but this is a problem, we feel at the time.

If you have a 60hz monitor set your fps_max to 60fps

If you have a Monitor of 120hz set your fps_max to 120fps

below fps refresh rate - never
above fps refresh rate - useless
fps leveled to refresh rate - the best choice.

That does not explain how my FPS is dropping below 60 in situations where (at least on paper) less efficient systems (performance wise on paper) aren't. My system is not even half a year old either.

And yeah I know, FPS beyond 60 on a 60Hz monitor is not going to change anything compared to the FPS being a flat 60 on a 60Hz mointor, but for comparison's sake I mentioned the FPS's I was hitting and my friend was hitting when neither of us had VSync/GSync enabled as it clearly shows some issues with the performance of my system which I have no clue about.

Follow what I posted earlier, take some screenshots and post them here. MSI afterburner/rivatuner will be useful, check out youtube videos on how to do it.

 

[Eddlicious]

quote from here

well, I'm old in cs and say: no matter how much fps you get. if your monitor is 60hz is what he will give at the end, 60fps and nothing beyond that, no matter your processor, video card. The ticket of the server refers to "packets / sec" and does not have the power to limit fps on your hardware.
I've always had a PC assuring me much more than 60fps, however fixed at 60 to avoid abrupt oscillations. What can not happen is you get less fps than your refresh rate, but this is a problem, we feel at the time.

If you have a 60hz monitor set your fps_max to 60fps

If you have a Monitor of 120hz set your fps_max to 120fps

below fps refresh rate - never
above fps refresh rate - useless
fps leveled to refresh rate - the best choice.

That does not explain how my FPS is dropping below 60 in situations where (at least on paper) less efficient systems (performance wise on paper) aren't. My system is not even half a year old either.

And yeah I know, FPS beyond 60 on a 60Hz monitor is not going to change anything compared to the FPS being a flat 60 on a 60Hz mointor, but for comparison's sake I mentioned the FPS's I was hitting and my friend was hitting when neither of us had VSync/GSync enabled as it clearly shows some issues with the performance of my system which I have no clue about.

Follow what I posted earlier, take some screenshots and post them here. MSI afterburner/rivatuner will be useful, check out youtube videos on how to do it.

http://image.prntscr.com/image/de5e548960e34c84ad124b7a37aea2d6.png

There is a picture of Afterburner statistics with Rome II running on Ultra Graphics with SSAO, AA and such enabled. The end half of the Afterburner statistics were gained during a small scale battle (about six units on each side minimum).

 

[carlo_bigtunes]

oh sory , my mistake see the graph..

 

[RobCrezz]

Where are you seeing that? max temp looks like 59'c on the screenshot to me.

 

[burdenbound]

Is Rome II one of the games where your expecting better performance? It looks like your GPU only rarely hits 100% and your CPU doesn't appear to be working all that hard either. During this test did you have vsync on and sitting at 60fps? If not I would expect to see GPU usage near 100% at all times because it will be trying to get maximum frames per second.

 

[Eddlicious]

Is Rome II one of the games where your expecting better performance? It looks like your GPU only rarely hits 100% and your CPU doesn't appear to be working all that hard either. During this test did you have vsync on and sitting at 60fps? If not I would expect to see GPU usage near 100% at all times because it will be trying to get maximum frames per second.

http://image.prntscr.com/image/7326da7a0eab4eabbdcae430afdf24a1.png

Here is a screenshot of Rome II running with VSync off. GPU and CPU didn't reach 100% usage at any point and mostly stayed at about the same usage percentages even when VSync was on.

 

[Eddlicious]

So, any ideas what is seemingly/allegedly causing my performance to drop?

 

[Wayfall]

If your only getting this with dayz....

 

[Eddlicious]

If your only getting this with dayz....

Not only with DayZ. I've mentioned PlanetSide 2 and Rome II here as well.

 

[carlo_bigtunes]

did you already try set power management ?
HERE

 

[Wayfall]

If your only getting this with dayz....

Not only with DayZ. I've mentioned PlanetSide 2 and Rome II here as well.

Look I really do not mean to be rude here but the issue your having is not your fault

Planetside 2 has low fps on hexa core builds with SLI'd GPU's, the servers are terrible and overloaded... there are hundreds of people in games.

Dayz is recommended you have a i7, I found the game unplayable till I got an i7 but I still ran into drops due to the servers.

Rome total war is CPU bound really, It has to keep track of thousands of soldiers and it juggling a lot more of stuff in the background, also this game was not make for 2015-16 hardware really.

Your computer is totally fine!

 

[Eddlicious]

If your only getting this with dayz....

Not only with DayZ. I've mentioned PlanetSide 2 and Rome II here as well.

Look I really do not mean to be rude here but the issue your having is not your fault

Planetside 2 has low fps on hexa core builds with SLI'd GPU's, the servers are terrible and overloaded... there are hundreds of people in games.

Dayz is recommended you have a i7, I found the game unplayable till I got an i7 but I still ran into drops due to the servers.

Rome total war is CPU bound really, It has to keep track of thousands of soldiers and it juggling a lot more of stuff in the background, also this game was not make for 2015-16 hardware really.

Your computer is totally fine!

Well, shit.

So, Intel Core i5-6500 is shit (or at least not that good + no need to be careful with your words, I won't get my panties in a twist over people saying things straight)?

 

[Wayfall]

If your only getting this with dayz....

Not only with DayZ. I've mentioned PlanetSide 2 and Rome II here as well.

Look I really do not mean to be rude here but the issue your having is not your fault

Planetside 2 has low fps on hexa core builds with SLI'd GPU's, the servers are terrible and overloaded... there are hundreds of people in games.

Dayz is recommended you have a i7, I found the game unplayable till I got an i7 but I still ran into drops due to the servers.

Rome total war is CPU bound really, It has to keep track of thousands of soldiers and it juggling a lot more of stuff in the background, also this game was not make for 2015-16 hardware really.

Your computer is totally fine!

Well, shit.

So, Intel Core i5-6500 is shit (or at least not that good + no need to be careful with your words, I won't get my panties in a twist over people saying things straight)?

Sorry buddy the bit that says "not your fault" was meant to say "not your builds fault"

Your computer is really really good, there are just some games that don't uses computer hardware efficiently due to bad coding. There have been many posts about Dayz low fps with a powerful build and all we can say is that the game is still badly coded, its improved but still needs some tweaking.

Your computers fine.

 

[Eddlicious]

Sorry buddy the bit that says "not your fault" was meant to say "not your builds fault"

Your computer is really really good, there are just some games that don't uses computer hardware efficiently due to bad coding. There have been many posts about Dayz low fps with a powerful build and all we can say is that the game is still badly coded, its improved but still needs some tweaking.

Your computers fine.

Alright, thanks to everyone for the answers, I think I'm satisfied with what Wayfall said in what I quoted.

This is my first ever built computer (piece by piece) and I'm feeling a bit paranoid about a few things (such as the FPS rates) because I shoved a good 1450€ ($1600) in to it.

 

[RobCrezz]

Day-z just isnt very well coded.