GTX 470 vs GTX 480 vs 5870 vs 5850

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Which one do you feel is the overall best card for performance and the price?

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I agree. Hocp rolls to the beat of his own drum. Regarding Kyle. His tests IMHO are a joke and not the least bit scientific or
even useful. Those audio tests are edited. He states in the discussion for the article he edited sound levels
to reflect the real differences in what he heard. So not only is there video missing , he skewed any objectivity by altering
the volumes. He made all sorts of doozy comments that are unprofessional and beyond biased.
"I spit on the heat pipes" - Thanks for that image lol
and this beauty.
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He responded with F-bombs at least 3 times, when asked about his testing methods. Said he was responding from a bar on his blackberry, he was drinking beer.

edit: Also in the past, Kyle Hocp has preached he's old school in a lot of his thinking. He preaches case cooling with intake , exhaust fans.
Air movement in the case ! Yet, he forgets thats going to happen, when he tests cards on the bench with no air moving over anything. Show me the cards in a case, with numerous fans, tips and cooling steps enthusiasts take,if you want to make your case on noise and real world operating temperature.
 


Yeh, And Jenn, the 5850 has fallen to MSRP, and the GTX 480 is much more, just to stiffle any argument there.

And, Notty, he sounds like a true unbaised scientific gentleman.
 

When you get a chance, watch his video's on intel ssd's and the corsair h50.
I give this guy credit. He's making a living, created a business, has a big following~ doing things alot us love to do as a hobby.
That said. He oozes contempt with things he does not like, its pretty clear , he AIN'T LIKING ssd's, lol
His mind is made up on his view of those products even as he's reporting and doing his testing.
 


Jenny you prove my point. At 10% slower the GTX 470 still isn't bad. With driver improvements we should see it gain a 5-10% increase while the 5870 likely won't, making it on-par with the 5870. Also the heavy tessellation performance advantage, while not a huge deal, is still pretty nice. Also, find me one 5870 selling for $380 that is in stock. The best is $420 from the Egg, I know I've been shopping for one. Now you may say that the GTX 470 may increase in price above the MSRP, which is valid, but not a given outcome yet. At $70 more, the 5-10% performance now, equaling out to almost nothing in a month or so with an increase in tessellation performance, and 20w less power consumption at load is NOT a good deal. In this context, the current context that we are talking about now, the GTX 470 is a much better deal than the 5870.

Oh and of course the 5850 is a better deal than the GTX 470, it rapes the 5870 even more in that regard. The 5850 is a kick ass card for the money. When the 2GB version comes out, whenever it does. It will likely be slightly less than the GTX 470 and will likely perform the same, except with heavy tessellation, which will make it just as good of a product as the GTX 470 and make the 5870 even more irrelevant for the money.
 
It's not the ATI fans spazzing out over those, its the sane people who are.

There is no doubt that Fermi has a respectable advantage with tessellation, but it is no where near that high.
 
It probably is. But cudos to Nvidia for finding a way to visually make it appear bigger !
The first column. The 5850 across the board is the 100% or 1.0 value. The 470 is about at 1.12. That would put it 12% better. Which is probably correct.
 
GTX480 is a bad deal compared to either the 5850 or 5870 and especially the 5970. Runs way too hot and uses way too much power.

The GTX470 looks like an ok deal, $50 cheaper than a 5870 and performs between a 5850 and 5870. It'll satisfy anyone who is an Nvidia fan or wants to use Nvidia-extras such as PhysX or extra tessellation. The main problem with the GTX470 is it uses as much as the 5870 and runs a bit hotter.

So if my GPU budget was around $350 and I couldn't afford the 5870, I probably would go ahead and get a GTX470.
 
In my opinion, the driver immaturity, though likely more mature than usual, and tessellation performance advantage make it extremely hard to recommend a 5870 over a GTX 470 just because it runs a little hotter since the performance is close now and will likely be very close in the future.
 
Well you all have convincing points, why would I want the new GTX 470 when it gets better performance then the 5850, and keeps up with 5870 but its 350 so that is definetly a rip-off. Then geez it has 3D and PsyX who needs that. I don't know what my case is going to do with all that normal heat, I dont know if all my fans and coolers are meant for that. Obviously its way to small for my case, I need one of those 12 inch cards to fill up my case. I also have to much money in my wallet and have an extra $800 to get the dual card 5970, and I have all the time in the world so I can wait until its in stock.
Yeah ATI cards are so much better cause Nvidia's cards are only slightly better but not a whole lot. And the gtx 470 needs a minimum required 550 watt power supply, and to ATI fans this is way to high, well the 5870 and 5850 needs atleast 500, so that is such a huge difference, so that is definetly a deal breaker along with the high temperature 93C with the GTX 470 fully loaded, which is only 7 degrees higher than the 5870 and 15 than the 5850. Well if someone is getting any of these cards, they know they "all" get hot, so everyone who gets any of them is going to have to have some kind of cooling system, so I guess that makes it a big deal, cause if I go get the 5870 you won't need the same amount of cooling as the 470 cause it runs way to hot compared to the 5800's, well that is just the stupid is thing I have ever heard, either way you go, your going to need cooling.

Well after all this is done and said, to think that the GTX 470 sucks just because it didnt beat the 5850 as hard as you think it should, to be a good card, and that it runs to hot and sucks way to much power just to catch up with the 5870, this all makes it a shiz card. Am I missing anything to why it sucks to ati fans. To wrap this it up, I would like to say that Nvidia has delivered the greatest card on the market, and to those who don't think so, then just go get the ATI card cause if your a FanBoy of ati then even if the gtx 470 could get you laid you still wouldn't see the positive side to it, you would say that gets way to hott.
 


The GTX 470 pulls 20w more than the 5870, that is insignificant and completely unimportant. How does it need to be faster to justify something so irrelevant? If it bothers you that the GTX 470 provides basically the same performance and will come even closer in the future, but pulls 20w more power and is a bit hotter, how is $70 for you? A pretty good trade I think...
 


It is true, the GTX 470 only pulls a slight, insignificant, amount of extra power and it is only slightly hotter than the 5870 while giving similar performance for a nice chunk of change less. It is definitely not the greatest card, performance or price to performance. The 5850 is easily the best card for the money, but the GTX 470 isn't bad for those who want a little more muscle, and is definitely a better deal than the 5870.

Oh and no one needs PhysX, its dead and useless.
 


The GTX 470 is about as fast as the 5850.

It would need to cost less than the 5850 to be buyable, the 5850 is 280$, almost as fast, less power usage by a mile.
 
The the 5850 has been the best card on the market, with tons of posibilities as far as ocing goes. Just to make sure, I am not saying that the 5850 is bad in anyway I just giving the 470 justice to people who dont want it to be good.
I do agree that if the GTX 470 can get a wide spread amounts for it, esp. less than 350, cause the 5850 is above asking price and is higher than it was when it came out, so they definetly should be lowering there prices even more, and on top things are going to keep changing cause there going to keep getting better so we all win in the end, and the next set of 5870-6's and doulbe gpu cards should be quite interesting.
All in all every body is going to need something different, like if you want 3D then your going to get the nivida. If your looking for a great deal on a card that can OC and catch up to his older bother then you got the 5850.
I think it is funny that the lower cards from the top are getting all the attention, and are more liked by the people.
Can you guys vote, cause I thought I made it so everyone could vote so we could see the ultimate winner by choice of the mass, if I did it wrong let me know, cause I would like to get it working.
 


According to the reviews and benchmarks, the GTX470 is a bit faster than the 5850 on average.

And besides a few sporadic deals here and there, the vast majority of 5850s still costs $300 or above. The price isn't going down any time soon.
 


jesus...obviously you need to read for another 10 hours if you got that rubbish wrong-info out that link. Everything you claim is so not-true that it almost sounds like you're being sarcastic. 470 uses MORE watts, has HIGHER tempts, and scores hardly any higher than 5850 in most games. so OCing would put you WHERE YOUR GTX470/480 WILL OVERHEAT AND PRODUCE ARTIFACTS. not to mention the PhysX THAT ONLY THE HANDFUL OF GAMEs USES...So Nvidia has given people who have been waiting for 6 months of FAILURE(to impress). I could go all day but I will stop.
 
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