GTX 660 Ti / GTX 660

[Maxx_Power]

Are the custom cards going to be released along with the reference cards? Seems that was the case for the 670.

I don't see why not, unless there are Nvidia release restrictions in effect. But any custom cooler on the 670's would work on the 660's, if the information above remains correct.

 

[Maxx_Power]

It is a back-to-school, ready-to-flunk-all-grades, fall special!

 

[17seconds]

Maybe we will see a GTX 660 Ti 256-bit version that scores on par with a 7970 in 3D Mark 11?
http://www.guru3d.com/news/geforce-gtx-660-ti-256bit-version-planned/

 

[cypherx]

Hopefully, VideoCardz.com indicates that there is only one version of the 660Ti however and that is the 256-Bit one.

 

[Sakkura]

It is a back-to-school, ready-to-flunk-all-grades, fall special!

Right after the Steam Summer Sales too! They're sneaky like that.

 

[Maxx_Power]

Right after the Steam Summer Sales too! They're sneaky like that.

Haven't thought of that, good call.

 

[17seconds]

Right after the Steam Summer Sales too! They're sneaky like that.

And then they sell these games with names like "half-life" and "oblivion" that ironically also describe your social life after you make the purchase.

 

[Sakkura]

And then they sell these games with names like "half-life" and "oblivion" that ironically also describe your social life after you make the purchase.

And all those energy drinks and snacks - when you go to the bathroom it's Blood Bowl: Legendary Edition.

 

[renz496]

Maybe we will see a GTX 660 Ti 256-bit version that scores on par with a 7970 in 3D Mark 11?
http://www.guru3d.com/news/geforce-gtx-660-ti-256bit-version-planned/

so more rumors comes out eh? i think we should get the definite answer in two or three weeks

 

[cypherx]

660Ti performance leak, 6.4% slower than a 670

http://videocardz.com/34035/geforce-gtx-660-ti-performance-leaked

 

[cypherx]

Here is the review, apparently the site is known for breaking NDA's and leaking info. The review includes benchmarks on numerous games.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4869/nvidia_geforce_gtx_660_ti_2gb_reference_video_card_review/index.html

 

[17seconds]

Here is the review, apparently the site is known for breaking NDA's and leaking info. The review includes benchmarks on numerous games.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4869/nvidia_geforce_gtx_660_ti_2gb_reference_video_card_review/index.html

Beats the 7950 hands down and seems to trade blows with the 7970? Not bad for a mid-$200 card.

 

[Maxx_Power]

Beats the 7950 hands down and seems to trade blows with the 7970? Not bad for a mid-$200 card.

Here is to hoping for further massive price cuts from AMD (on the 7870 and below).

 

[17seconds]

Here is to hoping for further massive price cuts from AMD (on the 7870 and below).

Here's what TweakTown has to say on the subject:
"The problem for AMD, though, is that while this card is priced at levels around the HD 7850 and HD 7870, its performance is around that of the HD 7950 and HD 7970. You combine this with the fact that AMD really don't have any more room to move on price due to recent price drops. We really do wonder what AMD can do. NVIDIA do this excellent job of taking on multiple AMD models with just one video card and in this case, we see that happening again."
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4869/nvidia_geforce_gtx_660_ti_2gb_reference_video_card_review/index14.html

 

[Maxx_Power]

Here's what TweakTown has to say on the subject:
"The problem for AMD, though, is that while this card is priced at levels around the HD 7850 and HD 7870, its performance is around that of the HD 7950 and HD 7970. You combine this with the fact that AMD really don't have any more room to move on price due to recent price drops. We really do wonder what AMD can do. NVIDIA do this excellent job of taking on multiple AMD models with just one video card and in this case, we see that happening again."
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4869/nvidia_geforce_gtx_660_ti_2gb_reference_video_card_review/index14.html

I read that entire review and am hoping this doesn't come true. I know the 7800 series silicon is much cheaper to make than the GK104 Nvidia is re-harvesting, so maybe AMD can cut MSRP again...

 

[Mousemonkey]

I read that entire review and am hoping this doesn't come true. I know the 7800 series silicon is much cheaper to make than the GK104 Nvidia is re-harvesting, so maybe AMD can cut MSRP again...

And reinforce any rumours that they've been price gouging? I'm sure that would go down like a fart in a lift with the company faithful. :lol:

 

[Mousemonkey]

You know what sounds like price gouging to me? Releasing your midrange GPU for a whopping $500 because your competition didn't force you to do better and because you can't get your manufacturing act together.

😗

I recall an article from way back that postulated the reaction of the AMD faithful if leaks proved true and Nvidia's mid range Kepler GPU was more than a match for AMD's finest, your post makes me think of that time. Why is that? :lol:

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Point here is, it was nVidia that complained about the costs of 28nm, no one else.
They no longer enjoy only good di per wafer, and have to absorb the higher costs of an expensive node.
Using a larger die will cost more

 

[Mousemonkey]

Point here is, it was nVidia that complained about the costs of 28nm, no one else.
They no longer enjoy only good di per wafer, and have to absorb the higher costs of an expensive node.
Using a larger die will cost more

The point I was trying to make was about the negative feedback they may receive if they were to make any price cuts but feel free to read what you want. 😉

 

[Maxx_Power]

How do you know this?

GPU Die sizes from published reviews and so on...

GK104 -> 294 mm^2
Pitcairn -> 212 mm^2

Smaller die size, more per silicon wafer. More per silicon wafer, the cheaper per die. Since both Nvidia and AMD are paying per wafer now (AMD has always been paying per wafer, I think), last I read.

Also, I won't be surprised if the yields are better on the AMD Pitcairn. They came to market way earlier and initial yields of the GK104 were supposedly not satisfactory.

 

[Maxx_Power]

And reinforce any rumours that they've been price gouging? I'm sure that would go down like a fart in a lift with the company faithful. :lol:

Price gouging are the words. The graphics market shrunk so much over the years, and now it is essentially a two party system at mid to higher level performances and a different two party system at low, integrated performance levels...

I remember the old days when S3, Matrox, 3dfx (3DFX), PowerVR, Trident, Rendition were still competitive in consumer graphics.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Price gouging are the words. The graphics market shrunk so much over the years, and now it is essentially a two party system at mid to higher level performances and a different two party system at low, integrated performance levels...

I remember the old days when S3, Matrox, 3dfx (3DFX), PowerVR, Trident, Rendition were still competitive in consumer graphics.

Ah, ye be an old fart too...? :lol:

 

[Maxx_Power]

Ahhh OK. I haven't read much about Pitcairn because it never really interested me... Tahiti & GK104 were the only chips I was interested in reading about.

I was just curious because I knew GK104 was originally designed to be a $300 part, so it was surprising that it might be more expensive to manufacture than AMD's $200-300 part. I did know that Nvidia has yield problems, though - forgot to think about how that increases costs.

Yet more hope to AMD cutting prices to the bone. That AMD's 200-300$ part was due to *cough* price gouging... I don't know AMD's original intentions, but I suspect the die was sized originally for sub 200$ market, and they are raking in money every time someone buys a 7800 series.

 

[Maxx_Power]

Ah, ye be an old fart too...? :lol:

Too old for the computer world, I suppose. I have noticed my loss of interest in high performance computing and the lack of motivation to try new games now that I've played a historical list of great games...

 

[Mousemonkey]

Too old for the computer world, I suppose. I have noticed my loss of interest in high performance computing and the lack of motivation to try new games now that I've played a historical list of great games...

I'm glad I'm not the only one, there are a few games around that are a bit of a giggle but I'm still waiting for something to grab me by the family jewels in the same way that Half-Life did back in '97.