GTX 770 vs Radeon HD 7970 vs R9 280x

[GamerMT]

Hey. I have a GTX 650 and i can't really choose between this 3 cards. Games that i play are:
Battlefield 4
Neverwinter
and Warface.
But i'm getting a new card because of Battlefield 4. This are my PC specs:
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965
GPU (currently) Nvidia GTX 650
RAM: 8GB RAM DDR3
HDD: 1TB
OS: Windows 7 32 bit (getting 64 bit of course)
so.. which one should i get? 7970 will be MSI Lightning Boost edition or CLUB 3D , R9 280x will be Toxic or CLUB 3D, and GTX 770 will be MSI Twin Frozr OC or Gigabyte OC. Thanks guys!

 

[EvgaLover]

I would say the gtx 770 (prefer the Evga version). Nvidia has in my opinion deliverered so many good products and don't start hating on me, but i think that Amd is a compagny that both tries to make the Best Cpu's and Gpu's and just fails in the attempt of masterying everything. I personally have the Evga gtx 770 installed on my Motherboard and it runs like a dream. Very strong Gpu to say atleast.

Can only agree with your statement. Nvidia has delivered so much better performance (in my opinion) than Amd

 

[slimething]

I would say the gtx 770 (prefer the Evga version). Nvidia has in my opinion deliverered so many good products and don't start hating on me, but i think that Amd is a compagny that both tries to make the Best Cpu's and Gpu's and just fails in the attempt of masterying everything. I personally have the Evga gtx 770 installed on my Motherboard and it runs like a dream. Very strong Gpu to say atleast.

So the above graph is erroneous? I'm just wondering, because for BF4 the 770 just didn't cut the mustard on the max settings in Hardocp's test and when I had it installed. I did not benchmark it; the game was just not fluid. No hate here, only observations. I have no loyalty to either brand and have until January 24 to return the card, and just may if it falls behind by then. Remember, the OP is about BF4.

 

[nikoli707]

between the 7970ghz and 680.... the amd tahiti held ALL the single gpu world records until the titan came out. it handliy beats the gk104 in gpu compute and is a barely noticable 2-4% faster in gaming, 24/7 overclock vs 24/7 overclock. i finding it unfathomable that anyone who knows anything about video cards could try to explain away that the nvidia card is faster. for a certain game, sure, for cuda decoding and processing, obviously.... but for gaming and especially gpgpu compute.... no no no no and no. brand preference is totally another subject and nvidia makes a great product that is efficient. and if one ever plans on going with dual gpu's... then i would hands down recommend nvidia 4gb models. but for single gpu 1080p gaming the 280x is hands down the better performer and costs less as well.

 

[Djentleman]

For the 280x, just set the everything to Ultra, HBAO, 4x msaa @1080p and enjoy 60+ FPS. When Mantle is hopefully released later this month, expect even more video bliss for BF4. The cpu will need to be upgraded however.

I have the Gigabyte OC 280x; consistent 70 FPS with i7 4770k. And no, it doesn't get hot.

Shadow Play? When it works; just more fluff. Ezvid is better and free.

Can't help but laugh at the loyalists on either side, but in this case, the 280x is quite simply better than the 770 for BF4. Period.

You're such a liar.
You can not get those frames with that card.
Stop spreading misinformation. pls
Also, with how biased you sound, i guarantee you have not used shadowplay. So stop giving advice on that too.

Lying? That's what I get consistently. Don't believe it, too bad.

I doubt you've used shadowplay either 😀

Seen too many benchmarks for me to believe you.
I already know you don't use it, you said you have a 280x.
My sig says i have a 770. So i use shadowplay everyday.
Go to battlelog where people like you thrive, we look for unbiased opinions on this forum. Spreading misinformation makes people disappointed.

Didn't you see the above graph?

Do you think HardOCP's results are invalid? They very well could be, but we're talking 14 FPS difference between a 280x and 770 average FPS, a huge chasm. I normally use Operation Locker and consistently attain well above 70 FPS avg using their same settings on full 64 player servers. They tested using Shanghai, which is in fact more GPU intensive than OL. So I ran a few full rounds of that and only once averaged under 70 FPS. As the newer drivers have been rolling out, the video quality has been improving. If Mantle turns out to be anything as claimed, AMD is clearly the better option for BF4. No ifs, ands or buts.

What makes you think I didn't test the 770? The original plan was for a 780 for a change, but I didn't like the price tag, so opted for a 770, was not impressed with the Ultra settings results and returned it for a 280x from Newgg for $300. Now they are $360. If you wish, I'll post a video with FPS on the screen and also verify all video settings, then benchmark an entire round. You will then see a whole lot of FPS >100. I use Dxtory for recording, so far the best tried, but requires some tinkering to get the settings correct.

Still think I'm lying? Look at the graph again.

Admin. I don't appreciate being called a liar.

I see a minimum of 42.
Also, lockers is far from being demanding. Something like floodzone or paracel would be valid.
I go by what the graphs say, not by accounts of people online. Life is much simpler that way.

 

[slimething]

For the 280x, just set the everything to Ultra, HBAO, 4x msaa @1080p and enjoy 60+ FPS. When Mantle is hopefully released later this month, expect even more video bliss for BF4. The cpu will need to be upgraded however.

I have the Gigabyte OC 280x; consistent 70 FPS with i7 4770k. And no, it doesn't get hot.

Shadow Play? When it works; just more fluff. Ezvid is better and free.

Can't help but laugh at the loyalists on either side, but in this case, the 280x is quite simply better than the 770 for BF4. Period.

You're such a liar.
You can not get those frames with that card.
Stop spreading misinformation. pls
Also, with how biased you sound, i guarantee you have not used shadowplay. So stop giving advice on that too.

Lying? That's what I get consistently. Don't believe it, too bad.

I doubt you've used shadowplay either 😀

Seen too many benchmarks for me to believe you.
I already know you don't use it, you said you have a 280x.
My sig says i have a 770. So i use shadowplay everyday.
Go to battlelog where people like you thrive, we look for unbiased opinions on this forum. Spreading misinformation makes people disappointed.

Didn't you see the above graph?

Do you think HardOCP's results are invalid? They very well could be, but we're talking 14 FPS difference between a 280x and 770 average FPS, a huge chasm. I normally use Operation Locker and consistently attain well above 70 FPS avg using their same settings on full 64 player servers. They tested using Shanghai, which is in fact more GPU intensive than OL. So I ran a few full rounds of that and only once averaged under 70 FPS. As the newer drivers have been rolling out, the video quality has been improving. If Mantle turns out to be anything as claimed, AMD is clearly the better option for BF4. No ifs, ands or buts.

What makes you think I didn't test the 770? The original plan was for a 780 for a change, but I didn't like the price tag, so opted for a 770, was not impressed with the Ultra settings results and returned it for a 280x from Newgg for $300. Now they are $360. If you wish, I'll post a video with FPS on the screen and also verify all video settings, then benchmark an entire round. You will then see a whole lot of FPS >100. I use Dxtory for recording, so far the best tried, but requires some tinkering to get the settings correct.

Still think I'm lying? Look at the graph again.

Admin. I don't appreciate being called a liar.

I see a minimum of 42.
Also, lockers is far from being demanding. Something like floodzone or paracel would be valid.
I go by what the graphs say, not by accounts of people online. Life is much simpler that way.

Thanks for affirming the 770 gets gobsmacked by the 280x in BF4.

Just played a full 40+ minutes high ticket round on Shanghai, 64 players full server, heavy fighting, lots of chopper and tank battles, same settings, after patch. Deal with it.

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
94362, 1359734, 35, 164, 69.397

Firefights in OL can be very taxing because it is closed quarters fighting with multitudes of explosions and bodies packed in tight areas, but as Hardocp states, Shanghai is the most. Paracel (big map, large open areas)? Flood Zone? Not so much.

 

[Djentleman]

For the 280x, just set the everything to Ultra, HBAO, 4x msaa @1080p and enjoy 60+ FPS. When Mantle is hopefully released later this month, expect even more video bliss for BF4. The cpu will need to be upgraded however.

I have the Gigabyte OC 280x; consistent 70 FPS with i7 4770k. And no, it doesn't get hot.

Shadow Play? When it works; just more fluff. Ezvid is better and free.

Can't help but laugh at the loyalists on either side, but in this case, the 280x is quite simply better than the 770 for BF4. Period.

You're such a liar.
You can not get those frames with that card.
Stop spreading misinformation. pls
Also, with how biased you sound, i guarantee you have not used shadowplay. So stop giving advice on that too.

Lying? That's what I get consistently. Don't believe it, too bad.

I doubt you've used shadowplay either 😀

Seen too many benchmarks for me to believe you.
I already know you don't use it, you said you have a 280x.
My sig says i have a 770. So i use shadowplay everyday.
Go to battlelog where people like you thrive, we look for unbiased opinions on this forum. Spreading misinformation makes people disappointed.

Didn't you see the above graph?

Do you think HardOCP's results are invalid? They very well could be, but we're talking 14 FPS difference between a 280x and 770 average FPS, a huge chasm. I normally use Operation Locker and consistently attain well above 70 FPS avg using their same settings on full 64 player servers. They tested using Shanghai, which is in fact more GPU intensive than OL. So I ran a few full rounds of that and only once averaged under 70 FPS. As the newer drivers have been rolling out, the video quality has been improving. If Mantle turns out to be anything as claimed, AMD is clearly the better option for BF4. No ifs, ands or buts.

What makes you think I didn't test the 770? The original plan was for a 780 for a change, but I didn't like the price tag, so opted for a 770, was not impressed with the Ultra settings results and returned it for a 280x from Newgg for $300. Now they are $360. If you wish, I'll post a video with FPS on the screen and also verify all video settings, then benchmark an entire round. You will then see a whole lot of FPS >100. I use Dxtory for recording, so far the best tried, but requires some tinkering to get the settings correct.

Still think I'm lying? Look at the graph again.

Admin. I don't appreciate being called a liar.

I see a minimum of 42.
Also, lockers is far from being demanding. Something like floodzone or paracel would be valid.
I go by what the graphs say, not by accounts of people online. Life is much simpler that way.

Thanks for affirming the 770 gets gobsmacked by the 280x in BF4.

Just played a full 40+ minutes high ticket round on Shanghai, 64 players full server, heavy fighting, lots of chopper and tank battles, same settings, after patch. Deal with it.

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
94362, 1359734, 35, 164, 69.397

Firefights in OL can be very taxing because it is closed quarters fighting with multitudes of explosions and bodies packed in tight areas, but as Hardocp states, Shanghai is the most. Paracel (big map, large open areas)? Flood Zone? Not so much.

You just proved my point. You don't stay above 60fps constantly.
My avg with the 770 -
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
8289, 111016, 51, 140, 74.665
Those hardcops are of singleplayer, and were done on release. Many updates have been done.
I thought paracel was the worse, because of the foliage. Shanghai is just un-optimized.

 

[Mciahel]

For the 280x, just set the everything to Ultra, HBAO, 4x msaa @1080p and enjoy 60+ FPS. When Mantle is hopefully released later this month, expect even more video bliss for BF4. The cpu will need to be upgraded however.

I have the Gigabyte OC 280x; consistent 70 FPS with i7 4770k. And no, it doesn't get hot.

Shadow Play? When it works; just more fluff. Ezvid is better and free.

Can't help but laugh at the loyalists on either side, but in this case, the 280x is quite simply better than the 770 for BF4. Period.

You want to know how I know hes lying?

A Haswell not getting hot. I have the 4670K, and with the stock cooler on I debated underclocking it. 60C+ under full load.

So yeah hes lying through his teeth.

 

[iam2thecrowe]

For the 280x, just set the everything to Ultra, HBAO, 4x msaa @1080p and enjoy 60+ FPS. When Mantle is hopefully released later this month, expect even more video bliss for BF4. The cpu will need to be upgraded however.

I have the Gigabyte OC 280x; consistent 70 FPS with i7 4770k. And no, it doesn't get hot.

Shadow Play? When it works; just more fluff. Ezvid is better and free.

Can't help but laugh at the loyalists on either side, but in this case, the 280x is quite simply better than the 770 for BF4. Period.

You want to know how I know hes lying?

A Haswell not getting hot. I have the 4670K, and with the stock cooler on I debated underclocking it. 60C+ under full load.

So yeah hes lying through his teeth.

60 c at full load? is that all? not hot for those cpu's. even ivy bridge cpu's can overheat and throttle with the stock cooler, its not a cpu problem, the cooler is a piece of crap, look how thin it is....

 

[slimething]

For the 280x, just set the everything to Ultra, HBAO, 4x msaa @1080p and enjoy 60+ FPS. When Mantle is hopefully released later this month, expect even more video bliss for BF4. The cpu will need to be upgraded however.

I have the Gigabyte OC 280x; consistent 70 FPS with i7 4770k. And no, it doesn't get hot.

Shadow Play? When it works; just more fluff. Ezvid is better and free.

Can't help but laugh at the loyalists on either side, but in this case, the 280x is quite simply better than the 770 for BF4. Period.

You want to know how I know hes lying?

A Haswell not getting hot. I have the 4670K, and with the stock cooler on I debated underclocking it. 60C+ under full load.

So yeah hes lying through his teeth.

Maybe people should learn about CPU temperatures before posting something so ignorant and calling others liars. Stock coolers are not very efficient on any brand CPU, but do you think Intel or AMD is going to put a cooler on that will damage it with stock or slightly overclocked?

The stock cooler is still in the box so I can't say what temps it runs. I use a Hyper 212 EVO which not a high end cooler. With it running AIDA64 stress test on a 4770k, it hovers around 43c stock clock 15 minutes into the test. At idle it is 27c. Ambient temp is 22c. The case is a Corsair Carbide 500R; 2 front fans, one side fan, one rear exhaust; nothing special.

 

[slimething]

For the 280x, just set the everything to Ultra, HBAO, 4x msaa @1080p and enjoy 60+ FPS. When Mantle is hopefully released later this month, expect even more video bliss for BF4. The cpu will need to be upgraded however.

I have the Gigabyte OC 280x; consistent 70 FPS with i7 4770k. And no, it doesn't get hot.

Shadow Play? When it works; just more fluff. Ezvid is better and free.

Can't help but laugh at the loyalists on either side, but in this case, the 280x is quite simply better than the 770 for BF4. Period.

You want to know how I know hes lying?

A Haswell not getting hot. I have the 4670K, and with the stock cooler on I debated underclocking it. 60C+ under full load.

So yeah hes lying through his teeth.

Here ya go buddy. 5 minutes of BF4 full server TDM after operating temps reached. CPU temp rarely tops 40c and GPU 60c. This video was done with Ezvid; quick and dirty but to the point. Don't call me a liar again. Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9og7f_t9qU

 

[nudave]

This whole thread is pointless unless you can get a 280x at retail price.

 

[Djentleman]

This whole thread is pointless unless you can get a 280x at retail price.

Good point.

 

[Zehomie]

For the 280x, just set the everything to Ultra, HBAO, 4x msaa @1080p and enjoy 60+ FPS. When Mantle is hopefully released later this month, expect even more video bliss for BF4. The cpu will need to be upgraded however.

I have the Gigabyte OC 280x; consistent 70 FPS with i7 4770k. And no, it doesn't get hot.

Shadow Play? When it works; just more fluff. Ezvid is better and free.

Can't help but laugh at the loyalists on either side, but in this case, the 280x is quite simply better than the 770 for BF4. Period.

You're such a liar.
You can not get those frames with that card.
Stop spreading misinformation. pls
Also, with how biased you sound, i guarantee you have not used shadowplay. So stop giving advice on that too.

That much I agree. I put out tf2 frag videos on youtube but hate just freaking using fraps the whole time (Makes big files and I have to go through it and 30 fps). Shadowplay is marvelous. Whenever i have a cool moment i click a button and the previous 5 min are saved in a tiny file. Also, only 5 fps diff.

 

[Memhorder]

Man...This whole thread has turned into an argument about who GPU is better. Of course people would defend what they bought. I'm looking for GPU as well and looks like the 770 does have a almost a sliver of an edge performance wise over the 280X although the 280X has Mantle. Both Beautiful cards. Decisions Decisions

 

[Djentleman]

Man...This whole thread has turned into an argument about who GPU is better. Of course people would defend what they bought. I'm looking for GPU as well and looks like the 770 does have a almost a sliver of an edge performance wise over the 280X although the 280X has Mantle. Both Beautiful cards. Decisions Decisions

Yeah, the funny thing though is that I never said one was better than the other.

But don't even get me started on mantle.

 

[TriBeard]

I'd go with a 280x if you can find one. Better multiple display support (IMHO) and comparable if not better performance. The larger frame buffer may not matter today, but I bet it will in the near future, and within this cards lifespan. Also, regardless of what you think of mantle, consoles use graphics core next based AMD GPU's, so having one of the same in your PC would seem to be a benefit this generation. Not all of the optimizations will carry over across platform, but a lot of them will.

 

[Djentleman]

Also, regardless of what you think of mantle, consoles use graphics core next based AMD GPU's, so having one of the same in your PC would seem to be a benefit this generation. Not all of the optimizations will carry over across platform, but a lot of them will.

That statement has been spewed a million times on the forums.

I doubt any developer has exclaimed that it does carry over.
That is all just theory.
Mantle is cool, except for the fact that there isn't much information about it. And is more likely to not be supported by nvidia.

 

[Sayken]

so much crap in this post.... lol.
since when did bf4 become a benchmark for which gpu is better?
for those who want to buy one of those cards and have no clue read the info from another thread. this here is so borring.
only fanboyism, crap and fights.
and for those saying get this only 60fps + min. pleeeeease both cards tend to have some bad optimization and drivers isues even now for some apps and games. no 60fps minimum even in old games. pfff..
for 1080p both cards offer same performance. there are over 1000 apps and games out there.

 

[Kakorat119]

Get the gigabyte gtx 770 4gb OC version. Its got superior cooling and build quality. Dont go for 2gb VRAM as most games will need 3gb. Also, crossfire has lead to many issues as with my friend's pc. My cousin has a pc with 2 gtx 670s running in SLI overclocked and he gets 100fps in crysis 3 woth msaa at x2 or x4. Plus, if you want to SLI in the future, gtx 770 would be the best option. SLI would give you best 'bang for buck'. But the 280x takes an advantage is it memory bus. It has a 384-bit memory interface, which only high-end cards have, making it give a bit better performance. But if you are going to SLI, the 770 4gb, if you don't want to SLI, r9 280x, either way i reccomended gtx 770 4gb.

 

[Sayken]

you recommend people to get the 4gb version for a gpu with only 256 bit bus when there are already gpus with 4gb running at "512" bit bus.
for a 3-4 fps increase in a few games this recommendation lacks logic 🙁

 

[Kakorat119]

you recommend people to get the 4gb version for a gpu with only 256 bit bus when there are already gpus with 4gb running at "512" bit bus.
for a 3-4 fps increase in a few games this recommendation lacks logic 🙁

If you want logic:
If he plans on only one gpu: 280x
If he want dual gpus in future: 770
If he is going to upgrade soon(less than 2yrs):770

I meant that the 256-bit will be more than enough for early upgrades or SLI. I dont really know any 512-bit gpus im not too smart. The next step from this is a r9 290 and 780 and they both are not worth the money.

 

[Sayken]

depending on regions r9 290 (512 bit bus 4gb) can cost 20 more $ than a 4gb gtx 770 or even same price.
from what I have seen in most countries the 4gb gtx 770 version cost 50$(even 80$) more than gtx 770 2gb (so not worth it)
the average power run on a gaming gpu should be something like 128 bit bus for 1 gb.
4gb divided on 256 bit bus equals 64 bit bus for 1gb ... and sli will never double bit bus or ram of gpu so performance increase will be extreme low.
up to a 2560x1080 resolution 2gb is and will be enough (just cause a game can utilize 3gb ram doesn't mean 2gb ram gpu will get stuck (ram has nothing to do with settings like low - high - ultra... except dual monitor setup or higher resolutions where it should be worth it).
gtx 770 4gb was a smart recommandation 3 months ago taking into account crossfire was ridiculous but nah not anymore now.
better 280x for crossfire (meant for resolutions higher than 2560 and 2 monitors where it matters) rather than sli 4gb gtx 770s (if you buy both cards which will make you pay 110$ higher difference than getting the 2gb sli which will perform almost the same (3-7 fps less at maximum)).
sorry if I sounded like a jerk (maybe I was) and I apologize about logic part (I lack that too sometimes xD)

 

[Memhorder]

Just get a 780. 3 G's and 384 bit bus. Dominates 1080p ultra settings

 

[Sayken]

why should he pay 100$ more for a 780 when he can get r9 290 512bit 4gb for 100$ less at same performance?
crossfire on r9 is lot more stable than in the past so I don't see any reason O_O

http://www.amazon.com/MSI-R9-290-GAMING-4G/dp/B00HPS4AFG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1393450997&sr=8-2&keywords=r9+290

http://www.amazon.de/Gigabyte-Windforce-Grafikkarte-PCI--GDDR5/dp/B00HG7E8VW/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1393451033&sr=8-5&keywords=r9+290

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Radeon-DirectCU-Graphics-GDDR5-Express/dp/B00HOW1Q46/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1393451170&sr=8-5&keywords=r9+290

 

[Memhorder]

why should he pay 100$ more for a 780 when he can get r9 290 512bit 4gb for 100$ less at same performance?
crossfire on r9 is lot more stable than in the past so I don't see any reason O_O

http://www.amazon.com/MSI-R9-290-GAMING-4G/dp/B00HPS4AFG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1393450997&sr=8-2&keywords=r9+290

http://www.amazon.de/Gigabyte-Windforce-Grafikkarte-PCI--GDDR5/dp/B00HG7E8VW/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1393451033&sr=8-5&keywords=r9+290

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Radeon-DirectCU-Graphics-GDDR5-Express/dp/B00HOW1Q46/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1393451170&sr=8-5&keywords=r9+290

To each their own. I would get a R9 290 if I could find one. They are the same price around here if not more and they are scarce. 780 takes a better score in benchmarks though regardless of 290 specs.
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-290X-vs-GeForce-GTX-780