GTX480 / GTX470 Reviews and Discussion

Page 39 - Seeking answers? Join the Tom's Hardware community: where nearly two million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
Toggle sidebar Toggle sidebar

I know you can punish the 480 harder then that. run fur mark or MSI kombuster under stability test full screen for half an hour and see the temp rise. Although i don't think it matters to much as games aren't likely to put it under that sort of stress. And the 480 we all know has a very aggressive cooler and in a decent case has no issues keeping the card cool.
 

I'm starting to wonder how much validity the reviews have with the heat and noise issue with the 480 most real users are reporting far lower temps and say it's not all that loud like peeps are saying.Stupid reviewers using auto fan setting I mean really I know almost all of my gamer friends and I use software controlled fan speeds.
 
fan noise is subjective, and heat they probably did it something like open benchmarking or if they were cruel in a small case and putting it under furmark for half an hour, which is a good way to see the max temp the card will ever go.
 
sciris, you are obviously an idiot. i cannot even believe you just told TGA to 'do his homework'.

i can guarantee he knows infinitely more on the subject (or any subject i imagine) than you.

your fanboyism is really starting to bug me, stop making stuff up. 'real' users barely even exist yet. you can't possibly go by any account you currently read, especially compared to legitimate websites that have been benchmarking cards for years.

heat and power are issues with Fermi, perhaps the only issue. but to deny it is just stupid.
 

say what you will he was dead wrong about gaining fps when adding a dedicated physX card to an ati and he insulted me.Real users though few and far between do exist and many of them are saying that it is cooler and quieter than reviews say.This may be an issue of the companies putting the cards in a poor cooling environment on purpose for testing purposes but none the less some real users do have this card.
 



Furthermore how could you possibly know what my tech level is.I can tell you this I am A+ certified built more than 250 high end custom gaming rigs in the last 12 months and read an average of 15 hours a week about pc components etc. check my ebay listings if I'm a fanboy then why do the majority of the setups use ATI cards right now HMMMMMMMM.As for my belief that the gtx 400's are taking kind of a bad rap yes I do believe this.People act like a 10 to 15% FPS increase with no aa is a terrible reason to spend $100 more however the majority of us buying a card this high end use aa and will see a 20 to 25% increase combined with PhysX(which by the way is used in 3 the games I currently play alot Dragon age, Mass effect 2 and arkham asylum)and way better tessellation not to mention the compute bells and whistles.How is that not worth $100 more.
 
The problem is s76, it's not going to be $100. It'll end up being $200, or $250. ATI's MSRP is $260 and $370 for the HD5850 an HD5870, IIRC. The GTX470 and GTX480 will rise through the ranks of price due to availability. You'll get cards that will sell for $399 and $600 for the 470/480, probably not too far off into the future.


This is going to be another rendition of the HD4K series. nVidia offers something at this pricepoint, ATI offers something that does the same. In this case, $380 GTX470, $380 HD5870. Though we know ATI has the advantage at the P/P. $650 HD5970, $600 GTX480. Pay $50 more for much better performance / less power. (guessing) ~$270GTX460 to compete with $240 HD5830. $180 GTX450 for HD5770.

Now we can't also forget the (hopefully sooner than later) HD5890 which should tie or beat the 480. The 5970 will be on top for many months to come, and that's a significant thing for ATI, considering the top-dog-card usually is nVidia.
 
sciris: like i said, i agree with most of what you are saying. the fermi cards are not bad, but to say that reputable websites are purposely making out that the cards are hotter or louder than they are is borderline insane.
and i wasn't saying that you knwo nothing about hardware, just that you know less than TGA. He always backs up his statements with facts, and knows more on the subject than anyone ive encountered in these forums, and i would certianly belive his answer before your own.
you however come here telling us all how 'most ati users end up buying a dedicated physx card', which is downright wrong.

i apologize for my post though, i have had a bad day and was far to quick to get aggressive. but my point still stands, if you want to make those sorts of remarks, back them up with some sort of evidence.

 
Backing up welsh's statement, there are about 4-5 well-known games that use physx. People have to find what PhysX is, and if they can use it on their ATI card. Then they have to have a Crossfire/SLI motherboard (x58), a power supply to manage, hacked drivers...the list goes on. Odds are only a few higher-up enthusiasts will bother with it.
 


Agreed but many websites exagerated the heat and noise throughput, many users on OC club among others are proving websites wrong. Anand and canucks stated that both the 470 and 480 would run at 95c "load" with 100% fan speed when in fact that is a bunch of BS. The screenie I posted on the previous page shows the 480 at 68c (furmark/kumbostor) w/ 100% fan speed.

I will also prove Anand wrong tommorow when I get my 470, Anand states that the 470 gets smacked by the 5830 in BC2 at 1680x 1050 w/ AA and AF maxed out.. IMO that is impossible, especially when the 470 shines with eye-candy enabled...

Too many biased reviews ATM, IMO that is not fair to us the consumer. I can understand if one company pays a site to biased, but when you over-exagerate you lose credibility.. Just like I have lost most of the credibility on a few Anand articles..

Example:

load_BS.png


how is it that the 480 can achieve 68c using furmark @ 100% fan speed but it hits 94c playing Crysis??? That makes no sense at all, Crysis will not tax the card in the same way that a stress test does so that tells you right there that Anand is full of it..
 


I doubt it, an OC and some better cooling isn't going to make up for a 15-25% margin by itself. And a company can just release a factory OC with hardcore cooling 480 as well to compete so meh.
 
Bah, I'm not sure if buying one 480 now and then one later or just buying two 470s now is a better idea........ but than again I doubt 480's will go down in price in the next year very much so now 470s seems like a better idea.

I know the 5800 cards only went up in price after release...... I am going to scrounge the net to see what info I can get on pricing and try to post it here for everyone...
 
OvrClkr I am sure the tests Anand and other sites made are on AUTO fan, not 100%.

Do you actually think there is people who will bare the noise at 100% non stop? I doubt the actual fan will last long on 100%.

My 5850 on 100% fan makes me think my case will lift off and 400 series have even more rpm to their fans I can only imagine the pitch sound.

So you got it wrong, all reviews use AUTO fan which probably gets to 50-60% under load and as nVidia stated they did leave the GPU to get to 90+ before uping the rpm so cards stay more silent rather than more cooler.

If I up my 5850 on 100% fan speed I get something like 30ish degrees under furmark. Thats not a measure, I cant believe someone will leave it like that or game like that. I cant even hear the game sounds with my HEADPHONES in such a noise.
 

My E8400 rig has five case fans, two GPU fans and a CPU fan that have been going at 100% for almost four years (the GPU and CPU coolers have been used on the previous build), so how long won't they last?
 



Fans at 100% will not have their life shortenned that much if they are giant turds. I've already told you I have 3600 RPM and 5600 RPM Delta fans in ballasts and panels at work running at 100% for like 5 years non-stop... 24/7, and they are still running, although a couple are starting to fail finally, but that is due to corrosion from filthy water/chemicals more than anything else.

And also, the noise the 5800 fans make is more annoying than the 400 series fans. The 5800s make that hairdryer/helichopter noise, so when it gets loud, it is brutal. The 400's Delta fans make more of a whiring/rumbling noise at 100%, so the noise is less irritating. It is still loud for sure, but it doesn't sound like your computer is trying to take flight, just that it is working hard.

So I'm sure there are tons of people that would leave their 400 series fans at 100%, I will probably leave mine at 85%ish when I get them finally >.<
 


Even if the fan was on auto it's still wrong, my GTX 260 has never hit 66c (ambient a 76F+) with the fan speed on auto yet the above graph is showing 75c. Why 75c?? Are they running these cards in 90F ambient rooms??

Why do these sites use AUTO when you should be either using a fan profile or adjusting the speed manually, who would use auto and have their GPU's running a 95c?? I can understand that they need to find the max temp using auto fan but my tests differ from Anands test, there is a 9 degree difference when comparing what my GTX 260 does compared to theirs..
 
Reality you are wrong. Sound of my fan is not pitchy, its just the air flow sound. Like a loud WOOOOOOO from the air rushing back from the card. And I REALLY doubt 100% fan on 5850 is more annoying than 100% fan on 480GTX, hearing it gets to almost doulbe the rpm. Even if its other type of fan.


I am sure there are people who dont care about the noise too much but thats not the majority, and certainly not me.

I have 9700 Zalman on my CPU which rans on 100% and its kinda noisy but I am accustomed to it, however the 5850 starting to overcome it at even 50%.

Noise is subjective.

And about those fans at your work, You can't compare that. Do you know how much dust there is at home. I live in a dusty city, my fans get stucked with dust every MONTH. I need to clear the whole case ever two monts and I take out so much dust you can shove it with shovel. So you cant compare isolated server storage rooms with almost 0 dust to a gaming pc at home.
 




It can differ from card to card, room temp can differ and also the cases can differ a lot. So you cant compare directly.
 


I'm wrong, but it is subjective? Interesting....

Isolated server storage rooms???

Our panels/ballasts are located outdoors, in wastewater plants and get sprayed with shight water and nasty chemicals all the time. Hence why we have a problem with corrosion ruining the fans after 4-5 years. I keep trying to source fans that are anti-corrosive but I always find other problems with them when I do >.<

So I can definitely compare those fans to a gaming PC isolated in your house at home when all it has to contend with is dust and cobwebs 😛
 
BTW I saw a review somewhere with actual clips and noise comparison directly between 5870 and 480 and 5850 and 470 and the 400 series were MUCH MUCH MUCH more louder under load. DISTINCTIVELY MUCH MORE!

you can find it probably if you google it
 


I don't care about fan noise. My volume always surpasses any noise comming from the PC, especially when I have my phones/headset on so that is not an issue. People who complain about fan noise comming from thier PC should have thought about that before the purchase so that is irrelevant IMO.

You don't like noise then watercool, you can't watercool then don't buy the product to begin with...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Latest posts

Moderators online

Share this page

COMPANY
RESOURCES
FOLLOW
Top Bottom