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Im building a gaming pc.
Im planing to use i7 4771 that is Haswell.
But i was wondering is there any difference in the performance between Hasswell and Ivy bridge?
If there is,should i go with haswell or ivy bridge?
 
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So i have a Core i5-4430 (Haswell) processor... i can't find an Asus H87M-Plus here in my place... Is it ok it if put this on Asus Z87-A motherboard?
 
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If your not overclocking you'l be fine with a H87 board.

Back to the OP... Going Haswell now will allow you to upgrade to a future LGA 1150 processor. An Ivy setup would be cheaper and only slightly behind a Haswell. But if you got no budget constraint might as well go Haswell.
 
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I would say that depends on which CPU the OP buys...

The refresh of Haswell will likely only mean lower power consumption, improved iGPU and very modest increase in performance. Perhaps another 6%; assuming the same clock speed. Purchasing a dual core Haswell Core i3 CPU now will mean the OP can definitely buy a re-freshed "2014 Haswell" quad core i5 there will definitely a gain in overall performance.

Buying a low end Haswell Core i5 now like the i5-4430 @ 3.0GHz, then upgrading to a new "2014 Haswell" higher end Core i5-5xxx CPU does make sense as long as the difference in clockspeed is big enough. For example upgrade to the "new i5-5430" with the same clockspeed will only a small increment boost in performance (the fictional 6% I stated above). Upgrading to a "new i5-5670" with a clock speed of 3.4GHz (same as the i5-4670k) would make better sense since the additional MHz contributes to overall performance. Assuming the 6% increase in performance a "new i5-5670" would be equal to a Core i5-4670 @ 3.6GHz. That would mean the factitious "new i5-5670" would have 20% more raw performance than the i5-4430 @ 3.0GHz. Upgrading to the factitious "new i5-5670k" would mean even more performance because "K" model CPUs can be overclocked.

Buying the faster i5-4570 @ 3.2GHz and then upgrading to the factitious "new i5-5670" would result in a performance increase of just less than 13% which makes paying the upgrade less attractive.
 
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This is a very interesting CPU conversation by everyone chatting here. It is disappointing Intel does not really bring a bigger performance level increase with their new generation i CPU's, around 20% would be something to really get our blood moving if they could maintain a pricing also.

But never the less this is a good thread because of all the detailed input and views given, thanks :)
 
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The most disappointing part of this is that Intel also seems to insist on including iGPU with every mainstream desktop CPU they sell. Really, a guy who is buying I5 or I7 has no use for that crap, it's a dead weight that costs extra 40$.

We could have easily had 250$ I7s' and sub-200$ I5s' if they would not include that iGPU crap on die - I mean the Xeon for example is just that - I7 without the bull and it is much cheaper.

Here - http://ark.intel.com/compare/75122,75055 - basically the same CPU - Xeon removes the useless iGPU and slashes 40$ off it's price tag. You lose QuickSync boohoo.

And I also think that the performance gain we got with Haswell is nothing short of a slap in the face. I think they are just holding back, since AMD has nothing on them anyway in the enthusiast price range.

Since apparently Haswell architecture does not even NEED that iGPU part to function, it makes me believe that Intel is just out for a money grab. Intel is like Electronic Art$ of the hardware world.
 
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Whether you like it or not, hardware enthusiasts and overclockers are not Intel's primary customer base. Their primary customer base is are OEMs like Dell and HP. The direction for electronics is heading toward integration where formerly separate functions performed by separate components are combined together or integrated into few components that can perform the same functions. This is known as SoC or System on Chip which I believe is a term that originated for ARM processors.

Over the years, things like the memory controller, graphics core and more recently VRM (Voltage Regulator Module) has been integrated into the CPU. For OEMs this is a cost savings because it means the fewer different components taking up warehouse space. Motherboards are simpler to design due to fewer components as a result of integration. That in turn means it takes less time to manufacture the motherboard and also to assemble PCs and laptops. In total, this results in a cost savings for OEMs.

Not everyone will be using the iGPU inside the CPU, but I would say most people will be using it since most of the computers sold are not to gamers. Most PCs are sold to businesses for office work and to casual users for which the iGPU should suffice.

If you really do not want to buy a CPU with an integrated graphics core, then just by a Xeon or buy AMD's FX series. You can whine and complain all you want (I too would like to buy an Intel CPU at a lower price), but that's not going to slow down the current IT trend of integration.

I would bet that AMD will be stictly producing APUs in the future. They need to reduce costs because they are not doing very well financially speaking. They should simply drop socket AM3+ altogether since those CPUs are only targeted for desktop PCs which has a declining (negative) growth trend. On the other hand the APUs serves both desktop and mobile markets, so it would be best for them to simply end the production of desktop exclusive CPUs which free up money that can be used for R&D for all their other products. Therefore, AMD will also be going in the same direction as Intel; integration...
 
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I haven't heard that before, hmm... might be upgrading my CPU, and hope to do a small oc, so sandy bridge might be a good option for me then. Thanks!
 
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Probably because they don't make them anymore and people who have old motherboards would still like it to cut the costs and hassle.
 
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Especially those that want to upgrade but are unfortunate enough to have an older board that didn't get a bios update for Ivy.
 
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if your not going to game and just want something for the internet and performance is of no concern... go to best buy... you flat out cant build a cheap computer for the price of a cheap desktop from bestbuy.... its just a fact of packaging, not to mention a much better warranty from bestbuy.
 
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Better warranty? I think not. It will cost you more, but you can get better components and better separate part warranties than what you could ever get from a crappy OEM system at Best Buy. Actually, you factor in the cost of some of the so called extended warranties from Best Buy, you could probably build for the same cost and still have better components.
 
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