HELP CPU usage up to 100%??!!?

endyen · Jul 20, 2004

All of the above are in bios. To get to bios hold the delete key while booting.

Just checked the manual. Once you are in bios, go across to the advanced tab, and hit enter. At the top of the page that comes up, it should say CPU speed . This should say manual next to it. If not, change it. Your fsb is called "CPU external frequency" Use the down arrow to get to this, then hit enter. You should get a dropdown menu, that you can change. Change it to 155/33. This reduces the speed of your chip by 6.6%, so if it doesn't help, change it back.
If you go down the page you will see an item called Chip Configuration. If you go to it, and hit enter, it will bring up another screen. About half way down the page, you will see an item called Graphics Aperture Size. Go to it , and change it to 128.
Hit the F10 key, then enter, and your system should reboot, with the bios changes.
If you have never been in the bios before, it might be a good idea to go through it, and have a look first. There are some helpful hints on the right of the screen, and feel free to ask questions here.

Edited by endyen on 07/20/04 04:20 AM.

typhuss · Jul 20, 2004

I don't want to flame anybody here, I'm just looking for some help. There was no offence ment, I was just astonished by this poll.

So... I tried the DWORD thingy and WinXP seems to run smoother and a twitch faster.

Didn't improve my freezing though (would have been too damn easy

).

Will try the secpol.msc. But I don't see the connection with the freezing... well it's a start.
I have googled the terms and I think this will at least be usefull for overall performance of WinXP.

What I don't get is how the bandwidth affects the games if I play offline. Had frequent freezes with all sorts of shooters. The demo to panzer generals seems to work quite good. Can't push the anisotropic filter too high though.

Will also try endyen's hints.

Edit:In fact WinXP runs quite a bit faster than before when burning cds... my dad is very happy and that's not easily achieved!

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typhuss · Jul 20, 2004

I have changed the agp aperture to 128 and the only thing which resembled the fsb whas the CPU external frequency, which is running at 166/33.
AGP aperture didn't seem to fix it either.

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typhuss · Jul 20, 2004

Checked it few times over now and its still the same problem.

On my way to fumble with the CPU speed.

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typhuss · Jul 20, 2004

Changed the CPU external frequency to 155/31. Tried to play Söldner: Secret Wars. Seemed to work fine when I was alone in a map. People started to join in and it started to freeze again 🙁
Makes no difference if I put the details to max. or min.

The Panzers demo (offline) isn't working anymore though...

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Zoron · Jul 20, 2004

Using your Network settings lower your Bandwidth to 10BaseT from 100 throughput from full auto negotiate.

That won't do ANYTHING. Did you not hear him saying he's having this problem even when he's NOT playing online?

Sheesh.

I tried setting my NIC from auto-negotiate to 10Mbps/half duplex because that's exactly the specs of my DSL modem... and I would get a bunch of entries in the event log about auto-negotiation. When I did this, I could no longer connect to the internet... so I'm FORCED to use auto-negotiation... whether it's faster or not. (And somehow I doubt it is... once the network connection is established, the NIC doesn't have to constantly re-negotiate the connection).

 If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it.

typhuss · Jul 20, 2004

Anyway, I connect through a USB DSL modem and have to use the connection software of my provider and the option in question is not available. Thus I can't apply this...

I'll ask my neighbour if I can borrow his soundcard to see if that fixes the problem.

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P4Man · Jul 20, 2004

Just thought I'd give you my 2 cents, fwiw

I doubt cpu speed or power supply or even BIOS has anything to do with it, problems with those could cause instability, or lock ups, but if I read your post correctly, the machine hangs" for a few seconds and then resumes, right ? An overclock or underrated PSU will never do that.

Could be many things though 🙁, I would first concentrate on trying to isolate the problem as much as possible. For instance, does it only occur during games, or just with demanding applications in general ? Try running prime95 for instance, or Sandra or whatever, see if it freezes too. If it doesnt, you could try eliminating further, for instance disable onboard sound, try playing with no sound for a while, and see what happens. Try removing (or disabling) the network card, even though SOD's comments where way off at times, network cards can cause all sorts of trouble.. If the problem remains even with no sound, no NIC, no modem, etc, on a freshly installed system. well, I'll be damned then...

Another thing to do: check eventlog for anomalies. Right click "my computer", select "manage", and look for the event logs, especiallly system log. It could expose problems device manager ignores.

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oolceeoo · Jul 20, 2004

Try the soundcard, or goto asus website and download their onboard sound drivers, its under drivers with your motherboard specification. The 4in1 may or may not have updated the sound drivers. Worth a try though.

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pauldh · Jul 21, 2004

I have always felt Onboard Sound (Integrated) is lousy for a gaming system. It can rob the CPU of too much power. IMO, A good PCI sound card is better for a gaming rig. I wonder if you disabled the integrated sound altogether if the lag would still be there. Did you update the Sound drivers, or just 4-in-1?

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pauldh · Jul 21, 2004

Dang, I guess I should have read all the posts before responding.

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typhuss · Jul 21, 2004

I just downloaded prime95 and made it run using about half a gig of memory. CPU is up to 100%, but there is no visible effect; no slowing down, no freezing. Everything is just fine. As it is "just" running some tests now, I'll wait until the math set in...

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phial · Jul 21, 2004

I am and have been an Engineer for the last 20 years in High tech.

which is the saddest part. that statement doesnt prove your definition of the problem to be true. perhaps you could be right about the solution, because you have personal experience with that particular motherboard (and it would be great if your right, and ill personally leave you alone for a month or two if you are) but your explanation of whats actually happening internally is just wrong. its like saying his car wont start because it has a flat tire

we have tried to help too, its just to solve this issue we need more information. to me it seems like one of those issues that someone needs to sit down and mess wiht for a few hours, theres so many things that we cant find out through corresponding here

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typhuss · Jul 22, 2004

I installed the benchmark Aquamark3 and when I run the first test, it runs fine until frame 500 or so and then the framerate goes down to 1 or less, freezing sets in and I get severe graphical errors (like the floor of the map isn't shown anymore).

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When running the Burn-In wizzard of Sandra, I get the freezing while it runs the CPU Arithmetic Benchmark and the CPU Multi Media Benchmark...

Edit:This isn't true anymore. Ran the test again and everything was fine 😵 **(?)

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I hope this is somewhat useful.

Edit: If I disable the sound device the games refuse to start, so that I can't test. Or perhaps I disabled the wrong driver... if u have any suggestions...

Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the mostEdited by typhuss on 07/22/04 04:18 PM.

typhuss · Jul 22, 2004

User of another board now confirmed SoDNighthawks idea of buying a new mobo...would the A7N8X Deluxe ver2.0 be the board of choice??

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phial · Jul 23, 2004

thats a good motherboard

if your intent on buying another motherboard (which would probably be cheaper than taking your computer to a repair technition to let them find out whats causing the issue. that could cost you 200 bucks if it takes them a day or two)another good one is the NF7-S, or AN7 (practically identical) which are both top of the line boards. has more features than the A7N8X Deluxe ver2.0 and is only a few bucks more

i wonder what the actual cause of the problem is tho.. it could be something with the AGP bus if the games graphics are freezing but the sound keeps going as if the game is going on as normal in the background. but even 700$ graphics cards dont make use of the full AGP bus bandwidth yet

have you tried disabling fastwrites? have you tried all the settings that SoDNightHawk suddgested? because it definately could fix it.

perhaps its just a hardware conflict?

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phial · Jul 23, 2004

Re: i wonder... [re: phial]

I installed the benchmark Aquamark3 and when I run the first test, it runs fine until frame 500 or so and then the framerate goes down to 1 or less, freezing sets in and I get severe graphical errors (like the floor of the map isn't shown anymore).

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When running the Burn-In wizzard of Sandra, I get the freezing while it runs the CPU Arithmetic Benchmark and the CPU Multi Media Benchmark...

Edit:This isn't true anymore. Ran the test again and everything was fine 😵 **(?)

ok dude theres definately something seriously wrong.

i did a search on the Via forums about your board, and alot of <A HREF="http://forums.viaarena.com/searchresults.cfm?requesttimeout=500" target="_new">search results come up</A> about people having video card related issues.

i had a KT333 motherboard in the past, like yours, and a few nvidia cards. ok here:

<A HREF="http://downloads.viaarena.com/drivers/4in1/VIAHyperion4in1445v.exe" target="_new">Via 4in1 version 4.45</A>. Old version yes, but newer 4in1's are tweaked for newer motherboards. ive used these and they are good

<A HREF="http://downloads.guru3d.com/downloadget.php?id=656&file=1&evp=79aadfb83001bf9faa989f763f1d6768" target="_new"> Nvidia Detonator 45.23 </A>. Again , yes these are rather old, but your playing older games, and i know these drivers are pretty damn good.

<A HREF="http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=603" target="_new">Detonator RIP.</A>. youll need this also.

some things to try:

1.Go into your bios, disable "Fast Writes" and set the AGP bus to "4x". Turn off "SBA", which stands for Side-Band-Addressing. Trust me it wont affect your performance. Also if you see any other options relating to AGP, write them down and tell me because i dont know what your bios has.

2.Boot up your computer in safe mode. To get in safe mode, tap F8 as your computer is going thru the POST screen. Once your in Windows, go into the Control Panel> Add/Remove Programs and remove anything that says NVIDIA and VIA, and anything related to your sound card. If it asks you to reboot, say no.

3.Once you are done that, run Detonator RIP to remove any files that werent deleted when you uninstalled the drivers. Then reboot.

4.Once it comes up in windows, it may detect your video card and motherboard chipset because the drivers are removed. Just cancel any of those, dont let them go thru or else Windows may install its own crappy built-in drivers, or the ones you previously had.

5.First install the VIA 4in1's selecting all the options if it asks you. If it asks you to reboot, say yes.

5.When you get back up in windows, if it detect your video card "unknown hardware or somethig" cancel it again. Then install the video drivers that I linked you to.

6.Also if you want, reinstall Directx9. you can get it from <A HREF="http://www.microsoft.com" target="_new">Microsoft</A>.

7.IF your really feeling frisky, format your hard drive completly, and do steps 1, 4, 5, 6 and 7.

[edit]: LOL skip 7 obviously

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typhuss · Jul 23, 2004

OK did steps 1-5. The detonator rip wouldn't start... "The application failed to initialize properly (0x0000135)".

I tried most of what SoDNighthawk suggested. Didn't try to lower bandwidth of my NIC as I can't access this option in the software of my ISP (USB DSL modem).

So here is what my BIOS says:

Advanced settings:
Graphics Aperture size - 128MB
AGP Capability - 8x (I can't change this option)
AGP Performance control - disabled
AGP Fast Write control - disabled
Video Memory Cache mode - USWC
PCI Delayed Transaction - disabled
Onboard PCI IDE - both
DRam Burst Lenght 8QW - disabled
S2K Bus Driving Strenght - auto

I/O Device Configuration:
Onboard AC'97 Audio Controller - auto
Onboard Midi I/O - disabled

PCI Configuration:
PCI Latency Timer 32
PCI/VGA Palette Snoop - disabled
Primary VGA BIOS - AGP VGA Card

Apparntly the VIA 4in1 which you suggested hasn't got the audio drivers in it. I'm going to download these from ASUS for my board.

I'll post in a few minutes with the results...

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typhuss · Jul 23, 2004

HA!!!
Seems to be working fine now...some minor lags but I suppose they are due to some connection issue. So the older drivers did it? If someone could explain THIS to me.

Played Söldner:Secret Wars demo without any freezing for 15-20 minutes: THAT IS A RECORD FOLKS!!!

Thanks to all of you and especially phial and SoDNighthawk

The next frags will be dedicated to you guys

I'll run the aquamark3 benchmark again to see what result this will yield...

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ChipDeath · Jul 23, 2004

If someone could explain THIS to me.

VIA are a bunch of muppets whose generally awful chipsets are matched only by their terrible driver quality, particularly (as Phial mentioned) when it comes to support for their older chipsets in the newer drivers.

I wasted half a day trying out different 4-in-1 driver revisions on a PC I have here at work until I found some that were 'Acceptable'. This is the sort of thing their Quality Control/Test department should be doing, not ME.

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mopeygoth · Jul 23, 2004

Congrats 😉

the reason? VIA... as always

if the problem re-appears you might want to try disabling onboard devices and install them as regular pci devices instead (like; use a pci NIC and a pci soundcard)

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phial · Jul 23, 2004

thats awesome! 😀

the reason why the VIa4in1's worked is because back then, the KT333 was thier top of the line chipset. so they tweaked their drivers for it. i dont kow why they coudlnt just take the code from the older 4in1's and just included it separately in the newer ones, but thats VIA for you

id also like to note that this thread proves how much FUD SodNightHawk spews

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Zoron · Jul 23, 2004

How was SoD's post helpful? I know he suggested a new motherboard, but that's mostly because he thought your board might be defective... which clearly it wasn't.

If you read VIA's driver page, you can see that they suggest downloading older chipset drivers for their older chipsets. The newest 4-in-1's are optimized for their newer chipstets, and may not help older chipsets. Also, audio drivers are never included in the 4-in-1's... they must be downloaded separately.

Glad you found a solution. Now we can see that most of SoD's post truly was BS. :tongue:

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phial · Jul 23, 2004

haha. i hate pissing on SOD so much, but this dude could have blown 100 bucks on a new board as you said

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typhuss · Jul 24, 2004

I wanted to thank him for his long posts and essentially for the UDMA66 thingy, which improved the burning/ripping speed and thus made my dad happy (and this is a surprise to me, because everytime I touch something in "his" PC some other program of his pops up an auto update or error message or some problem or unusual behaviour which he can't cope with... 😱 and I get the blame).
But it is equally true that I would probably have spent another 100 bucks for a new mobo...

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HELP CPU usage up to 100%??!!?

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