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Ok, maybe not the most powerful cutting edge system, but a really good one. Note, I'm looking to create a powerful computer despite what it might cost. So I'm not looking for best value, just best overall.


This is what I'm looking at, any and all comments to help me configure my new computer better will be appreciated.


Processor - Intel Pentium 3.2GHz 800MHz FSB

Motherboard - I have no friggin' idea. I want a 875P "Canterwood" but it seems that all the motherboards perform well and there is no real best. I'm waiting for a review of the new ABIT IC7-Max3. Besides that, I'm also looking at the Gigabyte GA-8KNXP Ultra, MSI Neo-FIS2R, and the Intel 875P MB. I'll consider Asus MBs as well for all you Asus lovers.

HDDs - (2) Western Digital Raptor 36GB 10,000RPM SATA HDDs , and (2) Maxtor 120GB 7200RPM SATA HDDs

Memory - Corsair 1GB (2 - 512 sticks) 500MHz DDR SDRAM. I may get 2GB (4 - 512 sticks, or is getting 2 - 1GB sticks better). Is OCZ or anyone else better that Corsiar better? What about ECC? Why don't any of the great popular memory manufacturers make ECC memory? Who makes the best ECC memory?

CD Burner - Plextor 52x32x52 PlexWriter Premium CD-RW Drive. Don't know much about CD burners.

DVD Burner - Sony DVD-/+RW Recorder DRU510A. don't know much about DVD burners as well.

Power Supply - Antec True Control 550 Watt Power Supply With 2 Fans 5.25 Control Panel.

Video Card - ATI All-In-Wonder RADEON 9800 PRO 128MB DDR 8X AGP RETAIL for now. I'll probably get the nVidia Quadro FX3000 and perhaps a Pinnacle capture card when I get the money. I want to be able to do stuff with Aliaswaveform's Maya and a lot of video stuff with Avid and other stuff. Let me know of your expertise on this subject.

Sound card - Sound Blaster Audigy2 Platinum. Don't know anything on sound. Let me know of what's the best in this area. I will be using Protools and stuff like that.

I think that's everything. Note, I want to overclock this computer to run synchronously with 1GHz of FSB. Also, I will be custom making my case, so space is not a problem. I'm thinking of making the case into like a suit case type design so I could take it around with me (not like a laptop obviously, but so it has some sort of transportability). Let me know what you think. Thanks for any input you may have.
 
Ok, I just realized that there is a 8X DVD writer (Plextor PX-708A). So swap this with the sony dvd writer I posted earlier.
 
Pretty much the best of the best I'd say. MOBO just get the best as well.

I might pick some different drives, but that's personal preference.

I don't think there will be a lot of head room to OC with that chip but that's just a guess on my part. Most times the Flag Ship chips have little overhead.

What are you going to use such a machine for, if I might ask?

Well, I didn't think that was gonna happen!!!
 
As you can probably tell, I do a lot of video stuff (capture, edit, produce small films, etc.). I'm also getting into 3D animation. So, I need a computer that can handle pretty intensive stuff. Rendering times take forever (i leave my current computer, which I have up for sale on ebay (item#2749221932 "http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2749221932&category=42163&rd=1", on for like a whole day to render some things). So I wans to minimize render times as much as possible.
 
I thought as much. You've spec.ed out a system that will do just that, along with anything else. If it wasn't for doing video, I would have told you to cut back on some things.

Great system. You'll enjoy it for sure!

Well, I didn't think that was gonna happen!!!
 
If you could Oc a 2.4 or 2.6 P4 to ~3.2Ghz it will actually be faster than a stock 3.2, as it'll be running a faster bus. You'll Also not be fully taking advantage of the RAM you're planning to get.

My 2 cents.

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Sure.

The RAM you're planning on is DDR500, meaning it's actually rated for speeds of 250Mhz.

If you get a P4 3.2Ghz, it's going to be running on a 200Mhz Bus (800 QDR), with a multiplier of 16x, to give 3200Mhz. Intel locks the multipliers on its chips, so the only overclocking option is the Bus speed. but increasing the bus of the 3.2, to say, 225Mhz will give a processor speed of ~3.6Ghz with that chip, which is not all that likely to work with air cooling, and your RAM would still only be running at 450Mhz DDR..

But if you buy a 2.4Ghz P4, which only has a 12x multiplier, you should be able to pump the FSB up much higher before you hit the limits of the CPU, probably 250Mhz & beyond, which will give you your full 500Mhz DDR RAM speed, and a cpu speed of ~3.1Ghz

So you see, your RAM is running faster, and the CPU bus is running faster, with the result being 25% extra bandwith for feeding the CPU with info.

THG have recently done an article on how much a P4C enjoys a 250Mhz (1Ghz QDR) bus, look in the CPU reviews section on the main page..

put simply, a P4 which is running at 200x16(3200) will get blown away by one which is 266x12(3.2), despite the fact they're both running at the same actual Mhz.

sorry I'm not too good at explaining this stuff... maybe someone can help clarify some points here?



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Motherboard - I have no friggin' idea. I want a 875P "Canterwood" but it seems that all the motherboards perform well and there is no real best. I'm waiting for a review of the new ABIT IC7-Max3. Besides that, I'm also looking at the Gigabyte GA-8KNXP Ultra, MSI Neo-FIS2R, and the Intel 875P MB. I'll consider Asus MBs as well for all you Asus lovers.
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Among the canterwood chipset motherboards, I'd recommend Abit IC7-MAX3 for this build.
Memory - Corsair 1GB (2 - 512 sticks) 500MHz DDR SDRAM. I may get 2GB (4 - 512 sticks, or is getting 2 - 1GB sticks better). Is OCZ or anyone else better that Corsiar better? What about ECC? Why don't any of the great popular memory manufacturers make ECC memory? Who makes the best ECC memory?
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OCZ Gold for memory. Four 512MB memory modules if 2GB is the goal.

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You've already seen the IC7-G in action, the Max3 version removes a couple legacy ports and adds a better voltage regulator cooling solution and secure IDE. You wouldn't really need to see a review of the Max3 to know that everything else works the same, so if you like those new features, I say buy it.

Someone mentioned overclocking for performance. The 2.6 goes to 3.25GHz at 250MHz bus, and would nicely outperform a stock 3.2C. The 2.8C goes to 3.5GHz at 250MHz FSB and would outperform most gods. You MIGHT be able to do that 2.8C at 3.5GHz using the Zalman CNPS-7000AlCu air cooling.

The 3.2C would be a bad pick for overclocking because it usually doesn't clock much higher than the 2.8C, and would do so at a lower bus speed.

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So if im going to be OCing , it would be best to buy a 2.4c and OC it to 3.0+ then to acutally buy a 3.0? Then just get the DDR500 and make it run at top speed? How much better would the performance be if i OCed a 2.4c to 3.0, then if i would acutally have a 3.0c?

Im in the same spot as bjr74, I have finally got enough cash together to build a top of the line system reguardless of what it costs(no im not rich but military+warzone=cash), but i also wana start getting into OCing. From all the stuff I have been reading about the P4 line, its seems that the 2.4 is the best for OCing. The highend p4 like the 3.2 dont seem to get as much of an OC out of them. Still have another month or so till i actually put this machine together but trying to get an idea of what to get before im ready to stick it all in.
 
So, Crashman, would you recommend the Max3 over the other MBs I listed? And as for CPUs, what would be best if only air cooling was applied? what would be the best if water cooling was applied? If I were to do math correct, if I got a 3.2GHz and applied 250 FSB (1GHz quad-pumped), wouldn't I get 4.0GHz? If so, would that even be possible to cool? Would water cooling be able to handle that? You say the 3.2 doesn't multiply as well as 2.8. So if that is the case, what would be the best 800FSB processor to get? Anyway, thanks for the reposnse.
 
It's not that the 3.2C can't clock as high as the 2.4C, it's just that if you got 3400MHz out of both, the 2.4C would be overclocked by 1000MHz, while the 3.2C only 200MHz, they call that a "better" overclock.

In order to keep bus speeds managable, I suggest the 2.6C or 2.8C. The 2.6C should do 3.25GHz on good air cooling, the 2.8C would require much more effort to get to 3.5GHz, but might make it with excellent cooling, both those numbers using a 250MHz FSB and allowing you to use PC4000 "in synch".

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Read the above post, it's not that they "don't multiply as well", it's just a matter of what bus speed you want to use. PC4000 allows synchronous clocks up to 250MHz. I don't doubt some people will get the 3.2C to 4.0GHz, but that would require very high core voltages (shortening the life of the CPU) and very cold temparatures (probably below freezing).

That's why I'm recommending the 2.6C and 2.8C. 3250MHz using the 2.6C at 250MHz bus shouldn't be too hard to cool, and the 2.8C can *probably* reach 3500MHz with...quite a bit more cooling.

As for the motherboard, pick what you like, all those should reach 250MHz bus. Supposedly the Asus boards can clock a little higher than the others you listed, according to a review I read at Anandtech. But all of them went over 250MHz FSB.

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So for the pc4000 using a 1:1 ratio the bus speed would have to be 250. Which would give you the DDR500(250x2)? Havnt done any OCing but reading alot on it. Once i get back to the good'ol USA, ill be doing OCing for sure.

Now for the processor part, 2.4c(12x) 2.6c(13x) 2.8(14x) now that would be times the 250 bus speed to give you the mhz of the processor. So the 1:1 ratio would be the best way to run PC4000? Then once you hit 250 fsb, you could slowly up it until you find out how far you can actually take it? But say you up it a little more, the 1:1 ratio would also up the RAM as well? Am I close here or way off ? LOL
 
I'm just wondering, I was going over some of the THG guides. There is one where he had the P4 3.2 800MHz FSB and he upped it to 1000MHz FSB, and kept the CPU speed and 3.25. Wouldn't that mean I could run synchronously and not require that much cooling since the speed isn't overclocked excessively?
 
Yes you could run 1:1 ratio(Ram and cpu both at 250 bus) cause the PC4000(DDR 500) will be able to handle the 250 bus speed(250x2=DDR 500 250x4 = 1000fsb), if what i wrote above is correct. But if the multi is 16x for the 3.2c and the fsb is 250 you would have 4000mhz which would really need good cooling. The normal for the 3.2c would have to be 200 bus x16 to give you the 3.2c. Crash could prolly explain this better then i can, im just picking up but i hope the info i gave you is right , cause if its not LOL im lost.
 
No, he had a 3.2C and a 2.6C overclocked to 3250MHz, he compared the stock 3.2C to the overclocked 2.6C.

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A ratio of 1:1 is always prefered. And dual channel operation make the DDR500 memory have the same bandwidth as a QDR1000 P4 bus, both having an actual clock rate of 250MHz.

Yes, you can slowly take it up from there, but I'm seeing most of them memory topping out between 256MHz and 266MHz, so you wouldn't be taking it far.

For truely high overclocks a lot of guys take the 2.4C to around 3200MHz or more, but that requires running the memory asychronously, slower than the CPU bus, with a performance penalty.

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