[SOLVED] HELP - NVIDIA Geforce RTX 2070 Super Under-performing

[troutfisher]

Hey all,

Was hoping someone could help me determine the bottleneck within my system that is causing my GPU to not produce the expected FPS. Playing Apex Legends on my system, I haven noticed getting ranges of 39FPS to 100 FPS usually bouncing all over the place. Reference videos online show much higher and stable performance of 100+FPS. All my in-game settings are on low so I am pretty sure it's a piece of hardware I am using now allowing my GPU to work at it's capacity. I have reinstalled all software and made sure everything is up to date including drivers, but no changes.

Here is some helpful info for potential diagnosis.

Current hardware and system information posted here:
http://speccy.piriform.com/results/YxcIArvXuVi72QtYe0Vdab5

UserBenchmark posting:
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/37909549

Anyone got any idea what may be my weak link to help our my system? Thanks in advance for any help!

Cheers.

 

[sizzling]

Your cpu is very weak by modern standards. When in game how many cpu cores are at 100% usage?

 

[drivinfast247]

CPU isn't even hitting base clocks. What are your temps?

 

[Krotow]

New resource demanding game in 1440p screen resolution on 8 years old CPU is a recipe for lagging glitches, I'm afraid. Lower screen resolution and/or turn down some graphics related features to Mid/Low.

Also Apex Legends on FX-6350 CPU glitches when all 6 cores are enabled. Try to disable two CPU cores for this game and try again.

 

[DSzymborski]

Yeah, the CPU is a giant red flag. There's little point, really, going above a GTX 960 (and definitely not above a GTX 970) with any AM3+ CPU and you've got a 2070 in there. It also looks like you have a FrankenRAM situation going on as well, which can exacerbate issues.

 

[Krotow]

There's little point, really, going above a GTX 960 (and definitely not above a GTX 970) with any AM3+ CPU and you've got a 2070 in there.

Nothing weird about GPU if he want to upgrade to better system later and keep the GPU. I have RTX 2060 Super now. Used it in previous i5@750 (then Xeon X3470 a bit later) based system for 18 months exactly with system upgrade in better times in mind.

 

[DSzymborski]

Nothing weird about GPU if he want to upgrade to better system later and keep the GPU. I have RTX 2060 Super now. Used it in previous i5@750 (then Xeon X3470 a bit later) based system for 18 months exactly with system upgrade in better times in mind.

Paying for 18 months of a GPU you can't fully use is a waste of money. Performance gets less expensive over time; there's no advantage to "locking in" your GPU prematurely when you can't take advantage of it.

 

[troutfisher]

Your cpu is very weak by modern standards. When in game how many cpu cores are at 100% usage?

Looks like its running each core at 3,917Mhz w/ the multiplier hitting 19.5 which I believe is stating that all cores are full fire. I thought that a 6 core processor with 3.9 GHz clock speed was ample for running games? I think my buddy has a Intel Core i5-9600K processor and his game runs 140-160 FPS continuously but has the 2080 RTX.

I could overclock my CPU to (4.2Ghz) to see if that helps with GPUs though maybe and that would be a direct link to FPS performance in game I am guessing.

What do you think?

 

[DSzymborski]

Looks like its running each core at 3,917Mhz w/ the multiplier hitting 19.5 which I believe is stating that all cores are full fire. I thought that a 6 core processor with 3.9 GHz clock speed was ample for running games? I think my buddy has a Intel Core i5-9600K processor and his game runs 140-160 FPS continuously but has the 2080 RTX.

I could overclock my CPU to (4.2Ghz) to see if that helps with GPUs though maybe and that would be a direct link to FPS performance in game I am guessing.

What do you think?

Six cores is typically still useful, but these are six slow cores (and not true cores in the way of later Ryzen CPUs). You can pick up a few frames overclocking, but this is an old platform from 2012 that was never impressive at gaming and wasn't even a significant upgrade over the previous generation of Phenom II CPUs. Each one of your buddy's six cores is about twice as powerful as each one of yours.

 

[Afro_ninja199]

might pay to gibe your pc some love and have a clean up, tidy up the ram clean up ya SSD's also if you run userbenchmark make sure nothings running in the background your CPU was running g at 39% while userbenchmark was running

 

[sizzling]

Looks like its running each core at 3,917Mhz w/ the multiplier hitting 19.5 which I believe is stating that all cores are full fire. I thought that a 6 core processor with 3.9 GHz clock speed was ample for running games? I think my buddy has a Intel Core i5-9600K processor and his game runs 140-160 FPS continuously but has the 2080 RTX.

I could overclock my CPU to (4.2Ghz) to see if that helps with GPUs though maybe and that would be a direct link to FPS performance in game I am guessing.

What do you think?

You cannot compare CPU’s based on clockspeed or core count alone. The cores in the FX series have a very low IPC and are therefore very weak be modern standards. This cpu was being outperformed for gaming by 3rd/4th gen i5’s and we are now on 10th gen. The 9600k is massively more powerful than any FX cpu.

Monitor cpu usage (not speed) on each core, I expect several or even all are at or close to 100% usage.

 

[Crosslhs82x2]

What ram slots do you have your ram in?
Userbench is not even saying how many gb's or speed of ram.
Would start there.
They should be in the 2nd and 4th slots working right from the cpu.

 

[Krotow]

Paying for 18 months of a GPU you can't fully use is a waste of money. Performance gets less expensive over time; there's no advantage to "locking in" your GPU prematurely when you can't take advantage of it.

I bought RTX 2060 Super it being fully aware about that this GPU is overkill for my current system. However by replacing AMD R9 280 3 GB in same system it improved things quite much. At least FPS in some games with 30-50 FPS on R9 280 raised to 60 and above on RTX 2060 Super which in my situation then was complete profit. I planned to upgrade home PC already a year ago so new GPU purchase was justified. Did not happened then due to sudden emergency repair expenses in home. I believe it was not bad at all. Planned to get AMD 3700X CPU on X470 motherboard then, but now I have AMD 5800X with MSI MPG B550 Gaming Edge WIFI motherboard instead. When RTX 30xx hype will calm down together with prices, I will buy RTX 3070 (maybe 3080 if things will go well) and give away RTX 2060 Super to my nephew who have AMD 3600X CPU on ASRock B550M Pro4 motherboard.

 

[troutfisher]

CPU isn't even hitting base clocks. What are your temps?

Temps are fine. Usually i run 30-40 degrees C.

 

[troutfisher]

Yeah, the CPU is a giant red flag. There's little point, really, going above a GTX 960 (and definitely not above a GTX 970) with any AM3+ CPU and you've got a 2070 in there. It also looks like you have a FrankenRAM situation going on as well, which can exacerbate issues.

MY Ram is 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 669MHz (9-9-9-24) with a total of 16GB in all four slots, which is what my motherboard accepts as a Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. 970A-UD3P (CPU 1). If I upgrade to a new CPU... will I have to get a new motherboard as well?

 

[troutfisher]

You cannot compare CPU’s based on clockspeed or core count alone. The cores in the FX series have a very low IPC and are therefore very weak be modern standards. This cpu was being outperformed for gaming by 3rd/4th gen i5’s and we are now on 10th gen. The 9600k is massively more powerful than any FX cpu.

Monitor cpu usage (not speed) on each core, I expect several or even all are at or close to 100% usage.

Seems as if my motherboard and my CPU are outdated. Any advice on what CPU may be a logical upgrade with me, keeping in mind my limitations of my MOBO?

Thanks!

 

[Krotow]

MY Ram is 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 669MHz (9-9-9-24) with a total of 16GB in all four slots, which is what my motherboard accepts as a Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. 970A-UD3P (CPU 1). If I upgrade to a new CPU... will I have to get a new motherboard as well?

More wise approach would be purchase of parts for completely new gaming PC based on decent no more than year old hardware. Choice between AMD / Intel /with or without RGB doesn't matter (I'm afraid to start - it will cause huge holywar). Keep GPU, monitor, keyboard and mouse for new system. Then sell remains of your old system.

 

[troutfisher]

More wise approach would be purchase of parts for completely new gaming PC based on decent no more than year old hardware. Choice between AMD / Intel /with or without RGB doesn't matter (I'm afraid to start - it will cause huge holywar). Keep GPU, monitor, keyboard and mouse for new system. Then sell remains of your old system.

All I need is a new MOBO and CPU and RAM. But trying to determine if my MOBO needs to be replaced to allow current generation CPUs to function.

 

[Crosslhs82x2]

Ok so something still is not right with the ram it should have read what the ram is and 4 of 4 slot being used and the speed.

Could try just 2 sticks in slots 2 & 4
In different combinations, then recheck userbench and check your perfomance in what you do.
It will only severve as a band aid till you figure out what you want to do.

But yes a upgrade would definitely do the 2070 super a great justice.

Sadly you will be looking at Mobo, Cpu And Ram.

 

[Krotow]

All I need is a new MOBO and CPU and RAM. But trying to determine if my MOBO needs to be replaced to allow current generation CPUs to function.

Your current CPU use AM3+ socket. Any newer AMD CPU worth to have, use AM4 socket and DDR4 RAM - both incompatible with your current motherboard. Same for decent Intel CPUs. So you must replace all 3 new components (CPU, motherboard and RAM) at once anyway. If your PSU can power current CPU and RTX 3070 now then you can keep it. Existing case would become a little hot though. Older cases a decade ago often had PSU in wrong place in terms of better airflow and missed other cooling helper features like front fan intake openings and mounts and too small openings at back side.

 

[Third-Eye]

Current hardware and system information posted here:
http://speccy.piriform.com/results/YxcIArvXuVi72QtYe0Vdab5

For now I'm disregarding the fact you ran your userbenchmark with a ton of background tasks running. What I want to know is if you have you ever updated the firmware on your Samsung 840 Evo which was detected by Speccy?

There is a defect in the Nand storage of the Samsung 840 and 840 Evo that would decrease performance over time, but only the 840 Evo had a firmware fix released to help fix or mitigate the issue. There is a chance that your performance issues are related to the 840 Evo defect.

Download Samsung Magician and have it check for a firmware update.

Tool & Software Download | Samsung Semiconductor Global

Download various software related to your product, including Samsung Magician, designed for use with Samsung's memory products, and find related information.

www.samsung.com

 

[Krotow]

For now I'm disregarding the fact you ran your userbenchmark with a ton of background tasks running. What I want to know is if you have you ever updated the firmware on your Samsung 840 Evo which was detected by Speccy?

There is a defect in the Nand storage of the Samsung 840 and 840 Evo that would decrease performance over time, but only the 840 Evo had a firmware fix released to help fix or mitigate the issue. There is a chance that your performance issues are related to the 840 Evo defect.

Download Samsung Magician and have it check for a firmware update.

Tool & Software Download | Samsung Semiconductor Global

Download various software related to your product, including Samsung Magician, designed for use with Samsung's memory products, and find related information.

www.samsung.com

Good catch about firmware issue in Samsung 840. Mine old 840 had this issue too and no problems after firmware update. But that will not help to overcome performance problems caused by very old CPU with low IPC and missing performance related newer instructions like AVX. Also last few Windows versions use a ton of background processes by default which are not possible to switch off at all.

 

[troutfisher]

For now I'm disregarding the fact you ran your userbenchmark with a ton of background tasks running. What I want to know is if you have you ever updated the firmware on your Samsung 840 Evo which was detected by Speccy?

There is a defect in the Nand storage of the Samsung 840 and 840 Evo that would decrease performance over time, but only the 840 Evo had a firmware fix released to help fix or mitigate the issue. There is a chance that your performance issues are related to the 840 Evo defect.

Download Samsung Magician and have it check for a firmware update.

Tool & Software Download | Samsung Semiconductor Global

Download various software related to your product, including Samsung Magician, designed for use with Samsung's memory products, and find related information.

www.samsung.com

Wow - awesome thank you so much for insight. Will work on this in conjunction to getting a new CPU and MOBO.

 

[troutfisher]

Good catch about firmware issue in Samsung 840. Mine old 840 had this issue too and no problems after firmware update. But that will not help to overcome performance problems caused by very old CPU with low IPC and missing performance related newer instructions like AVX. Also last few Windows versions use a ton of background processes by default which are not possible to switch off at all.

Thanks much Krotow - I follow you. Any insight I should have when looking at getting new RAM to handle DDR4 with new MOBO I procure other than 16GB

 

[Krotow]

Thanks much Krotow - I follow you. Any insight I should have when looking at getting new RAM to handle DDR4 with new MOBO I procure other than 16GB

Be my guest. About new hardware for gaming so far it seems better to stick in Team Red side. So get affordable AM4 motherboard - with longevity in mind it probably should be one with B550 chipset in 130-160$ price range. Also for newest CPU you should get 5600X though it may happen that someone in your area us upgrading and want to sell his 3700X or even 3900X for peanuts - then it is worth to have. And DDR4 3600 MHz CL16 or 3200 MHz CL14 RAM. Don't forget about appropriate cooler.