Henri Richard explains why AMD failed to gain more marketshare

[fazers_on_stun]

Again, four countries, billions in fines, and a pay off to AMD to make the lawsuits go away...I support Intel getting a chance to defend themselves and state their case to the FTC, but regardless of that, it is impossible for all but the most faithful of fanboys to deny that Intel screwed the pooch and is effectively guilty in at least four countries of anti-competitive business practices. And, when/if the FTC or State of NY finds Intel guilty it should not be a surprise to anyone.

And, given that this is not civil or private litigation, the chances of Intel getting "their day in court" in the classical sense is probably never going to happen. Like it or not, whatever the FTC finds come this September is what will be legally binding.

Actually the case will start to be heard by the ALJ in September (i.e., the beginning of the hearing). Most prognosticators think it'll be a couple years before the ALJ renders a judgment, by which time there will probably be several new FTC board members, who may or may not pursue an appeal should the case come out unfavorably to the FTC or if Intel should appeal.

Also didn't Intel appeal the EC fine already? AFAIK they have not dropped the appeal, so yes their case should be heard in court eventually. I don't think they bothered to appeal the Korean & Japanese decisions since those fines amounted to pocket change for Intel.

 

[C00lIT]

And yes, if this is spintel's greatest defence................

I also appreciate the defense of the great Henri Richard of the Montreal Canadiens. #16. the socalled "Pocket Rocket" and brother of the "Rocket" Maurice Richard. #9. back in the days of 5 consecutive Stanley Cups, when it was like a rock concert to see Les Habitants play the game like no one else could.

I am from Montreal and I am a habs fan... even if they suck half the time...

For the nice little Maurice Richard post, you gained some points in my book...

I am still persisting... IT'S INTEL DAMNIT !!!


Editted...
After reading below's entertainment by Sigh... I take back what I said... the man's insane.

 

[sonoran]

I don't think they bothered to appeal the Korean & Japanese decisions since those fines amounted to pocket change for Intel.

Actually there wasn't even a fine levied in the Japanese case, but it seems not many know that. I guess not getting fined doesn't make the evening news. 😉

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Actually there wasn't even a fine levied in the Japanese case, but it seems not many know that. I guess not getting fined doesn't make the evening news. 😉

Yeah, but this does:

Intel Fourth-Quarter Net Income $2.3 Billion, Up 875%

Intel Corporation today reported fourth-quarter revenue of $10.6 billion. The company reported operating income of $2.5 billion, net income of $2.3 billion and EPS of 40 cents.

For 2009 Intel posted revenue of $35.1 billion. The company reported full-year operating income of $5.7 billion, net income of $4.4 billion and EPS of 77 cents. The company generated more than $11 billion in cash from operations and paid cash dividends of $3.1 billion.

“Intel's strong 2009 results reflect our investment in industry-leading manufacturing and product innovation,” said Paul Otellini, Intel president and CEO. “This strategy has enabled us to generate unprecedented operating efficiencies while growing our traditional businesses and creating exciting new market opportunities, even in difficult economic times. Our ability to weather this business cycle demonstrates that microprocessors are indispensable in our modern world. Looking forward, we plan to deliver the benefits of computing to an expanding set of products, markets and customers.”

So even with the payouts, Intel made a hefty profit in 2009...

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/01/12/intel-amd-execs-cited-its-failings-not-intel-tactics/?mod=rss_WSJBlog

Intel: AMD Execs Cited Its Failings, Not Intel Tactics


Some highlights from the former AMD VP Henri Richard:

Intel cites, among other things, internal statements in 2004 by Henri Richard–then AMD’s top sales exec and now a senior executive with Freescale Semiconductor – that a person looking at the situation “with an objective set of eyes” would never buy AMD chips.

“I certainly would never buy AMD for a personal system if I wasn’t working here.”

Some of Richard’s other comments are redacted, but he goes on in the document to rail against AMD selling only microprocessor chips themselves, and not a “platform” of those products and accessory chip sets, as Intel does.

He described that AMD strategy as “pathetic,” for “exposing a partial story, particularly in the commercial segment, that is clearly inferior to Intel’s, if we want to be honest with ourselves.”

He added that AMD is saddled with a reputation that “we’re cheap, less reliable, lower quality consumer type product.”

The Intel document cites similar admissions from other AMD executives, some of which are also blacked out in the document. But one theme is AMD’s execution problems, including those that resulted when it landed Dell as a chip customer after years of failures–resulting in problems delivering chips to other customers.


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But I guess it is just easier for the fanboys to blame Intel for everything and deny that AMD had many shortcomings that prevented them from getting the marketshare the fanboys thought they should have been able to do.

Now just as Henri Richard implored his co-workers to be honest with themselves, perhaps now a few AMD propagandists on this forum could try doing that too.

I knew there was context to that statement. Tomshardware ought to redact their post and instill some context into Mr. Richards Statements.

Richard felt that AMD had an inferior marketing strategy (no platform etc) just as I had indicated as a response to the article. I figured that would be the case or something like that. AMD has never been good at delivering an entire package. Only with the acquisition of ATi do they now offer a very nice overall platform (and the fact that you don't need to use those dreadful nVIDIA chipsets anymore is a plus IMHO).

 

[Chad Boga]

Again, four countries

Which 4 countries?

billions in fines

Since when was 1.4 billion equal to billions?

And, given that this is not civil or private litigation, the chances of Intel getting "their day in court" in the classical sense is probably never going to happen. Like it or not, whatever the FTC finds come this September is what will be legally binding.

Intel will get the chance to both call and cross exam witnesses, something they were not able to do in the EU and something they wouldn't bother with in Japan and Korea, considering how trifling those two countries Trade Commission recommendations/rulings were.

 

[Chad Boga]

i am amazed that this actually got an article on TH as well considering this comes off as a bitter rant from an ex-employee that was probably a failure at his job at the time.

He wasn't an ex-employee at the time of the quote and why would he be bitter?

 

[amdfangirl]

AMD has the best ads, I swear!

Clicky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DPQW0e9ufM

 

[Chad Boga]

AMD has the best ads, I swear!

Clicky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DPQW0e9ufM

Good to see them putting their user base in their ads. That must be what explains the zealotry amongst so many of them.

 

[sighQ2]

charleybogus bends over inserts head in a$$ before posting

well done

 

[sighQ2]

you don't even make a good troll

 

[sighQ2]

take lessons from some of the other losers on this site

you know who they are

 

[jimmysmitty]

take lessons from some of the other losers on this site

you know who they are

This kind of out lashing is just evidence that you are losing an argument. Plus you need to stop insulting others.

The fact is that the guy was not down talking AMD so much as their marketing and platform approach which from 2000 to 2006 (2006 was when they aquired ATI) their platform was utter nothingness and their marketing sucks almost as bad..... wait its still pretty bad.

Tie that in with the fact that they had capacity issues even AFTER the alleged anti-competative things Intel did does not make it look any better. If AMD couldn't meet demand for Dell and its more faithful OEMs (you know the faithful ones that ALWAYS buy your chips, yea AMD snubbed them for Dell) then how could they meet demand at that time?

And are we still on the other countries issue? How many times will people mistake their laws, rulings and decisions for the worlds? Do you think that if we found Sony guilty of something Japan would too? Depends on their laws.

 

[sighQ2]

This kind of out lashing is just evidence that you are losing an argument. Plus you need to stop insulting others.

The fact is that the guy was not down talking AMD so much as their marketing and platform approach which from 2000 to 2006 (2006 was when they aquired ATI) their platform was utter nothingness and their marketing sucks almost as bad..... wait its still pretty bad.

Tie that in with the fact that they had capacity issues even AFTER the alleged anti-competative things Intel did does not make it look any better. If AMD couldn't meet demand for Dell and its more faithful OEMs (you know the faithful ones that ALWAYS buy your chips, yea AMD snubbed them for Dell) then how could they meet demand at that time?

And are we still on the other countries issue? How many times will people mistake their laws, rulings and decisions for the worlds? Do you think that if we found Sony guilty of something Japan would too? Depends on their laws.

get off the fanboii bs

the whole thing is antitrust

support criminal all you
rationalize all you want
say whatever
the great pig you worship is goin down

and you would put them above the law, in any country

as for your boyfriend - he needs all the help he can get - but he's an idiot troll - only different from you, in that you are a semi-intelligent troll with a good memory

now if you or your boyfriend had any class, none of this would be happening - but since insults are just common on this poor excuse for a fanboi infested website, it is, and no hope of improvement in site

so shove it sideways, and don't speak to me like I am stupid enough to cosign any of your spintel flavoured, endless, horseshit. support crime by yourself. seems you think it's the american way - maybe it is - in which case, the whole country is on glue -

you can't have it both ways, idiot.

not with one company saying wrong, and the other with you as front line spinner saying ...
wtf u don't even matter.
take your trainee away for reprogramming.

out.

 

[randomizer]

Drop the personal attacks if you want to keep posting here.

 

[jsc]

AMD has the best ads, I swear!

Clicky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DPQW0e9ufM

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[jimmysmitty]

Drop the personal attacks if you want to keep posting here.

Considering that he consistently does it.......

nvm....

To sighq2, personal attacks only show that its getting to you. You have no argument left so you decide to go on the offensive. Everything I point out is true. At the time AMD did not have a stable platform which made them less attractive to large PEMs and businesses. At the time AMD was capacity strained and shooed off the little OEMs for the big catch Dell yet even then they couldn't provide enough chips to Dell to meet demand.

Unless you can prove otherwise, don't post.

 

[hell_storm2004]

1. I haven't seen an AMD ad on TV till now. Although i have seen a few ads online.

He added that AMD is saddled with a reputation that “we’re cheap, less reliable, lower quality consumer type product.”

2. People who lack the knowledge of Computers would always go for an Intel. The statement made by the VP is quite true and holds good for common people, as far as i can say.

3. Could be a strategy to regain some reputation which it has lost after loosing the case.
4.

 

[hell_storm2004]

4. Why is it that the person who make these statements always are unavailable for comments.

 

[randomizer]

Considering that he consistently does it.......

I can only comment on what I read, and I don't read every post. You can always report posts...

 

[fazers_on_stun]

I can only comment on what I read, and I don't read every post. You can always report posts...

Well just as Intel has 'been convicted in 4 countries', I guess SighQ2 is trying for the title 'perma-banned on 4 sites' 😛...

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Please stopwith the insults.
Lets look at this.
Whos written all this? Several sites right? And none have had the ability to contatct Mr Richard?
Whos being stupid here?
Ive stayed out of this thread for the most part because its obviously wrong somewheres, and is flamebait, and its sad it was carried by any site, Toms included.
Ive re-entered the thread because of insults etc.
This is a flame bait thread, and if we cant be respectable, it ends

 

[sonoran]

>>>Whos written all this?

Apparently Mr Richards wrote all that, as it's a direct quote in the official Intel response to the FTC's complaint. Doubtless those quotes came from the discovery materials made available by AMD.

If anyone is going to argue that this quotation was taken out of context to make AMD look bad, they'll have to admit the same could have been done with the quotations from Intel.

* Not speaking for Intel Corporation *

 

[Chad Boga]

>>>Whos written all this?

Apparently Mr Richards wrote all that, as it's a direct quote in the official Intel response to the FTC's complaint. Doubtless those quotes came from the discovery materials made available by AMD.

If anyone is going to argue that this quotation was taken out of context to make AMD look bad, they'll have to admit the same could have been done with the quotations from Intel.

* Not speaking for Intel Corporation *

Exactly.

I have seen rabid fanboys here suggesting that there can be no other possible meaning to Otellini saying "Michael Dell is the best friend money can buy", than Intel guilt of whatever their fevered imagination is cooking up.

Yet it could easily be interpreted as Otellini thinking that Michael Dell is an idiot and would sell his mother if there was a profit in it.

 

[amdfangirl]

Monkeys are cool.

Now I wonder what would happen if Apple hired a monkey?