Henri Richard explains why AMD failed to gain more marketshare

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Yes I'm well aware of how long appeals and other nonsense can take. I dunno, are you in a hurry or something?
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I find it tedious how the AMD faithfull are always finding one molehill after another to make into their latest Mount Everest.

So I would like to see this play out in a proper court where witnesses can be called and cross examined, information subpoenaed etc.

Then all the bullship likely ends, as with the settlement Intel and AMD struck, Intel bought out ALL of AMD's excuses.

Even if they win this one, they'll lose in the end.


Intel have made so many enemies that their fate is sealed one way or the other.
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Can you expand upon this?

Just who are the enemies?

Corporations only care about profits and how to get them.

If you are suggesting that the decision making process corporations make will somehow change in some major way to Intel's detriment, you need serious help.

AMD is not your friend or your lover, they don't give two hoots about you, no corporation does.

However slimey corporations love to fool the gullible that they do in fact care about them.

 


How about Dell, who's name has been dragged through the mud recently (deservedly so)?

How about HP who intel threatened and bribed, while also not letting on that they were bankrolling Dell same time?

How about Acer who refused at first to have anything to do with it until intel threatened them too?



They aren't exactly falling over themselves to remain exclusive to intel recently are they? Not only that, all the hassle this has brought them from lawyers already, and no doubt a whole lot more coming their way.

Do you think AMD ever caused any of these companies this sort of bother? And that is just the major OEM's. The people in control of them know that intel is just rotten to the core. I wouldn't be surprised if the top level management of every one of them has already met up and agreed to give more and more share to AMD as soon as they can provide enough chips. Cuz you know, competition like that is much better for them in terms of prices, and like you said they only care about profits.
 
How about Dell, who's name has been dragged through the mud recently (deservedly so)?

How about HP who intel threatened and bribed, while also not letting on that they were bankrolling Dell same time?

How about Acer who refused at first to have anything to do with it?



They aren't exactly falling over themselves to remain exclusive to intel recently are they? Not only that, all the hassle this has brought them from lawyers already, and no doubt a whole lot more coming their way.

Do you think AMD ever caused any of these companies this sort of bother? And that is just the major OEM's. The people in control of them know that intel is just rotten to the core. I wouldn't be surprised if the top level management of every one of them has already met up and agreed to give more and more share to AMD as soon as they can provide enough chips. Cuz you know, competition like that is much better for them in terms of prices, and like you said they only care about profits.
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None of what you said makes any sense.

Unless the customer demand is there for AMD over Intel, then the corps won't bother.

It costs them money to make new product lines, yet you carry on like it doesn't, so on a whim they will just try and push AMD products as some kind of fanciful payback to Intel.

Just laughable.
 
Chad, you lack imagination that much is clear.

If I was CEO at HP? I'd be mightily pissed at intel bribing and threatening my company while double dealing with my nearest competitor behind my back.

Go wiki both HP and intel and make your mind up how smart a move that was.
 


I have a link to an article showing that AMD was capacity strained AFTER all this happened when they finally got Dell. That means that at the time before Dell and AMD, AMD still had capacity problems. Should I link it again for you so you can skip over it?

Chad, jennyH is of those who think that AMD is a angelic corporation who cares for them. She also thinks that Intel is the devil, pure evil and that the other corporations are righteous and wont stand for any of this!!!

Its all a day dream.
 


Customers haven't got a clue about pc's. You really think the average joe walks into a store and specifically asks for an intel pc? :na:
 
Chad, you lack imagination that much is clear.
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No, I just lack insanity.

If I was CEO at HP?
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'd be mightily pissed at intel bribing and threatening my company while double dealing with my nearest competitor behind my back.

Go wiki both HP and intel and make your mind up how smart a move that was.
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There are strong financial incentives that HP's board have put in place for HP's CEO to make the company as profitable as possible.

Yet you seem completely oblivious to this and think the CEO of HP is going to go on some kind of stupid fanboy revenge fantasy.

What makes your choice of HP even more ridiculous is that you also seem oblivious to how joined at the hip Intel and HP are.

Have you forgotten who makes HP's non-x86 server CPU?
 
Customers haven't got a clue about pc's. You really think the average joe walks into a store and specifically asks for an intel pc? :na:
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Yes I do, in a great many instances.

A lot of average joe's don't know the finer points of what each CPU is about, but they know that Intel is considered the Premier CPU maker and they know the Intel chime from the ads and the Intel logo.

So if you line two identically spec'd machines up, there needs to be a significant price difference or some clever salesmanship to make average joe pick AMD.
 


I've said it before, put an intel desktop or laptop next to an AMD one and the customer will choose the AMD one almost every time. That is because most people, while stupid, can still see fairly well.

In one case they can see no difference except $$$'s, on the other case they see $$$'s and more shiny stuff on the AMD notebook.

If you talk to them about battery life, they will just look at you blankly. 'Premier CPU'? Don't make me laugh. All they see is price for what they get, because humanity is out to get all it can for as little a price as possible and if you don't understand that you must be 20 year old and naive.
 
Also don't forget that it is INTEL who are up in the dock here, not AMD. Intel can't go around demanding corporate secrets out of AMD to prove some invalid point that simply doesn't matter.

The FTC are investigating Intel's anti-competitive behavior, not AMD's hypothetical capacity constraints.
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In a civil lawsuit which is what the Intel vs AMD one was that was just settled. If Intel did loose it they could be subjected to triple fines. So they payoff 1.25B vs a possible 3.75B or higher amount.

Seems to me Intel played this one smart. Removed AMD as a litigation thorn in their side. Minimized much larger liability to Intel's Stockholders. AMD got what they were looking for. Extension of the X86 license for 5 more years. A large wad of money that they desperately needed. Intel also gets to keep using the 64bit extensions and any other IP that they have.

You would think AMD would be able to then use Intel's HK+MG technology but that is an Intel Trade secret. The only way AMD could get that is if they stole it or bought if from someone who did steal it.

As for the your suggestion about AMD corporate Secrets are not revalent. If Intel can show that it is pertinent to the FTC and or EU case then they should be able to obtain that information during the discovery process. You don't think that the FTC has not been asking for Intel's costs to prove their contention that Intel sold their product at below cost now do you?

Just some things to think about....
 
I've said it before, put an intel desktop or laptop next to an AMD one and the customer will choose the AMD one almost every time. That is because most people, while stupid, can still see fairly well.

In one case they can see no difference except $$$'s, on the other case they see $$$'s and more shiny stuff on the AMD notebook.

If you talk to them about battery life, they will just look at you blankly. 'Premier CPU'? Don't make me laugh. All they see is price for what they get, because humanity is out to get all it can for as little a price as possible and if you don't understand that you must be 20 year old and naive.
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Jenny,
I see now that I have demolished your nonsense so comprehensively, you have had to resort to denying obvious concepts like a "Premier Maker" of items and the effect it has on influencing consumer choice.

I know your postings on this forum are a testament to you having no shame nor regard for your own credibility, but come on . . . . :lol:


 


Are we both posting on the twilight zone or what? If so, somebody better tell me 😀


you have had to resort to denying obvious concepts like a "Premier Maker" of items and the effect it has on influencing consumer choice.

I know your postings on this forum are a testament to you having no shame nor regard for your own credibility, but come on . . . . :lol:
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I've been involved in this industry for 20 years and I can say for certain that only ONE person has mentioned the name 'intel' to me, in the capacity of buying a pc. I have built, taught and advised on just about everything you can imagine, and a lot of stuff that you've probably never heard of.

Most people I see nowadays have crappy HP notebooks they got free with some cellphone contract. I hardly ever get asked to fix a desktop now when I used to get bugged by friends/relatives non stop. These people wouldn't know intel from Adam, in fact if you put a Nokia sticker on the notebook they'd assume they were the makers.

Premier maker of cpus? lawl.
 
I've said it before, put an intel desktop or laptop next to an AMD one and the customer will choose the AMD one almost every time. That is because most people, while stupid, can still see fairly well.

In one case they can see no difference except $$$'s, on the other case they see $$$'s and more shiny stuff on the AMD notebook.

If you talk to them about battery life, they will just look at you blankly. 'Premier CPU'? Don't make me laugh. All they see is price for what they get, because humanity is out to get all it can for as little a price as possible and if you don't understand that you must be 20 year old and naive.
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Put a Lincoln next to a Ford and people know the Lincoln is the "luxury" car even though its owned by Ford and the smae as the Ford.

And if you talk battery life, the average joe knows about that. In fact its one of the more important aspects of mobile devices. If you think people don't think about that I suggest you read reviews on cell phones from "average" joes. They always talk about battery life.
 


I've never heard of 'Lincoln'. I guess by that yardstick they must be failing to advertise...like AMD?

And if you talk battery life, the average joe knows about that. In fact its one of the more important aspects of mobile devices. If you think people don't think about that I suggest you read reviews on cell phones from "average" joes. They always talk about battery life.
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The fact that they are writing reviews on websites means they aren't average joes.
 
I've been involved in this industry for 20 years and I can say for certain that only ONE person has mentioned the name 'intel' to me, in the capacity of buying a pc.
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You must teach computers to the Intellectually handicapped then.

Your "story" just beggars belief and also goes against common AMDroid fanboy lore that the Intel chime in all their TV ads is yet another unfair advantage Intel has.

 


If that was true I'd be getting paid here on THG. 😀
 
I've said it before, put an intel desktop or laptop next to an AMD one and the customer will choose the AMD one almost every time. That is because most people, while stupid, can still see fairly well.

In one case they can see no difference except $$$'s, on the other case they see $$$'s and more shiny stuff on the AMD notebook.

If you talk to them about battery life, they will just look at you blankly. 'Premier CPU'? Don't make me laugh. All they see is price for what they get, because humanity is out to get all it can for as little a price as possible and if you don't understand that you must be 20 year old and naive.
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BS. Every retail store that sells PCs and laptops has this exact scenario in stores and on display. Intel and AMD side be side. People will buy the Intel by name recognition.

The machines look the same. Usually they are from the same OEM in the same cases and screens. There is nothing to see fairly well.
 
Are we both posting on the twilight zone or what? If so, somebody better tell me 😀


you have had to resort to denying obvious concepts like a "Premier Maker" of items and the effect it has on influencing consumer choice.

I know your postings on this forum are a testament to you having no shame nor regard for your own credibility, but come on . . . . :lol:
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I've been involved in this industry for 20 years and I can say for certain that only ONE person has mentioned the name 'intel' to me, in the capacity of buying a pc. I have built, taught and advised on just about everything you can imagine, and a lot of stuff that you've probably never heard of.

Most people I see nowadays have crappy HP notebooks they got free with some cellphone contract. I hardly ever get asked to fix a desktop now when I used to get bugged by friends/relatives non stop. These people wouldn't know intel from Adam, in fact if you put a Nokia sticker on the notebook they'd assume they were the makers.

Premier maker of cpus? lawl.
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define involved. using a pc for 20 years doesnt indicate the level of involvement you infer. I have USED a pc for 9 years but I wasnt INVOLVED until i started building them 5 or 6 years ago, and that doesnt mean I am involved per se since I dont work at a foundry or as a sales rep. That being said , being INVOLVED usually means youre in the channel somehow. I am not in said channel and for you to say 20 years have passed without ever hearing of an Intel purchase suggestion is really counter intuitive of the industry.

1. insiders know AMD makes chips because IBM gave that to Intel and Intel had to share it.
2. Intel has surpassed AMD in performance more than vis versa.
3. Intel evolved the standards for pc's and own the patents.

The list goes on and on here, and as an AMD only user in my short 9 years I find your argument insubstantiated by the very words you use to make it.
 
I've never heard of 'Lincoln'. I guess by that yardstick they must be failing to advertise...like AMD?

And if you talk battery life, the average joe knows about that. In fact its one of the more important aspects of mobile devices. If you think people don't think about that I suggest you read reviews on cell phones from "average" joes. They always talk about battery life.
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The fact that they are writing reviews on websites means they aren't average joes.
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Ahh I forget. Lincoln doesn't sell outside the US. Well here is a quick low down:

Lincoln is owned by Ford (as is Mazda and quite a few others like Aston Martin) and is the same car. But its a luxury version of Ford. Kinda like how BMW has a regular version and a luxury version.

As for the reviews, I wasn't saying they wrote reviews for websites. Every product for anythng these days has a simple review system that a lot of regular people know how to use. You are underestimating an average joe is all it is. They know a few things for laptops: Price, battery life and size. those are probably the three most important things to them and if a Intel system is near the price of the AMD system but gets betetr battery life and weighs the same or less, then the Intel system will sell.
 
Personally, I think Intel should've made extra code paths for strict SSE/SSE2/etc. Then Intel could have a code path just for their chips, a generic SIMD optimized code path for CPUs that respond with correct registers, and a generic x86 code path.

Instead they just had Intel+SIMD or x86 code paths.
 


Really?

I started writing games for the old Spectrum 48k when I was 14 years old. Actually, I was 9 years old when I started coding, I just didn't get successful until I was 14. I hadn't heard of intel by then.

Now you can go through the rest of the 80's and the start of the 90's before you really heard the name 'intel'. Of course I had heard of them long before then, but the average person? Forget it, they barely even knew what a pc was.

So really, you are talking late 90's onward. Intel do not advertise in Europe, at least nothing like they must do in the US. I see the odd intel ad but they are like IBM ads to me now, or drug company ads. The average pc buyer doesn't even link intel to the pc they are about to buy.

The list goes on and on here, and as an AMD only user in my short 9 years I find your argument insubstantiated by the very words you use to make it.
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Nobody has ever told me that 'intel is better than AMD' except on a forum. One one hand Chad tries to argue that nobody knows about AMD, yet on the other he argues that intel are the 'premier cpu maker' and the average joe knows this. We are then supposed to believe that this average person is going to pay $200+ more just because of that. Not only that, but the *majority* of people are doing that, obviously because of intels high market share it must be true?

Complete and utter garbage. If that was true Apple would own a helluva lot more than they do.
 
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