Here Is What You Need To Run Windows 10

[USAFRet]

Let's keep it civil in here, shall we?

 

[somebodyspecial]

What is the big stink over boot times? Is it because so many people are running this on a laptop or something where it's being turned on every time they use the system or am I one of the oddballs who doesn't turn my pc on/off multiple times a day? People seem really jazzed about boot times and I guess I just don't get it. It's such a minor portion of being on a pc or seems like it anyway.

I like linux well enough, it's been the same old story for the past decade though. Troubled by driver updates and support - often times a version or two behind win based systems. It's gotten better but until it has full driver support for various things it's difficult to jump ship from windows completely.

ROFL. I boot once a month usually, and only if I'm totally annoyed by patch Tuesday and don't delay installing them (family members badgering me to give them the go ahead so I finally do it on my units, then give a thumbs up...LOL). Win7 64 is just that good, and I'm too busy to boot most days it seems when patch day hits. You sir, are not alone 😉 I'll even say I've went MONTHS. Most of the time when I go down it's only due to plugging/unplugging so many drives, I think windows ends up confused so I reboot...LOL. Between flash drives, and ~18 externals there's lots of crap I put windows through at times. IF you're protected (AV+threatfire+firewall, behind a router or two also depending on the room), patch Tuesday means nothing. My PC sleeps, never really goes off.

Boot times mean absolutely NOTHING to me (since win9x versions pretty much). SSD=who cares, and today's OS doesn't need reboots like win9x.

Thank you for wasting electricity. But i guess if your parents are paying the bill, who cares.

You also need to get yourself a good NAS drive.

"My PC sleeps"
You missed that I guess. What the heck do you think SLEEP/hybernate is for? I'm in IT, parents don't pay my bills, nas is a waste to me, I do not run my drives all day long. They are on/off quickly to get something done then back on the shelf. They at most have 1000-2000 hours on them and they are 2-8yrs old..LOL. They should last another decade or more the way I use them. You have no idea what I do, but I can tell you I'm not wasting power. Heck every bulb in the house is CREE 9w now...LOL Their Daylight bulbs are awesome. My electrical footprint is quite small (I'm not Al Gore...LOL). Some people....I digress...

 

[skit75]

I installed Windows 10 Tech Preview on a HP dc7800 SFF PC which does not have UEFI support. I don't need Secure Boot.

 

[gggplaya]

What is the big stink over boot times? Is it because so many people are running this on a laptop or something where it's being turned on every time they use the system or am I one of the oddballs who doesn't turn my pc on/off multiple times a day? People seem really jazzed about boot times and I guess I just don't get it. It's such a minor portion of being on a pc or seems like it anyway.

I like linux well enough, it's been the same old story for the past decade though. Troubled by driver updates and support - often times a version or two behind win based systems. It's gotten better but until it has full driver support for various things it's difficult to jump ship from windows completely.

ROFL. I boot once a month usually, and only if I'm totally annoyed by patch Tuesday and don't delay installing them (family members badgering me to give them the go ahead so I finally do it on my units, then give a thumbs up...LOL). Win7 64 is just that good, and I'm too busy to boot most days it seems when patch day hits. You sir, are not alone 😉 I'll even say I've went MONTHS. Most of the time when I go down it's only due to plugging/unplugging so many drives, I think windows ends up confused so I reboot...LOL. Between flash drives, and ~18 externals there's lots of crap I put windows through at times. IF you're protected (AV+threatfire+firewall, behind a router or two also depending on the room), patch Tuesday means nothing. My PC sleeps, never really goes off.

Boot times mean absolutely NOTHING to me (since win9x versions pretty much). SSD=who cares, and today's OS doesn't need reboots like win9x.

Thank you for wasting electricity. But i guess if your parents are paying the bill, who cares.

You also need to get yourself a good NAS drive.

"My PC sleeps"
You missed that I guess. What the heck do you think SLEEP/hybernate is for? I'm in IT, parents don't pay my bills, nas is a waste to me, I do not run my drives all day long. They are on/off quickly to get something done then back on the shelf. They at most have 1000-2000 hours on them and they are 2-8yrs old..LOL. They should last another decade or more the way I use them. You have no idea what I do, but I can tell you I'm not wasting power. Heck every bulb in the house is CREE 9w now...LOL Their Daylight bulbs are awesome. My electrical footprint is quite small (I'm not Al Gore...LOL). Some people....I digress...

I'm sorry, i didn't read your last sentence. You write in a very text message like structure, it's hard to keep going.

 

[TJohn]

I am running 10 on a late 2005 Dell GX520 desktop with 3.2GHz Pent-D, 2GB mem, and a 250GB Samsung SSD. DVD-RW, floppy !!, on-board Intel graphics and on-board video. Runs very well--as did 8.1. Offfice 2010 is on it. All programs and data were preserved during upgrade--even the startup apps ran. No apps issues. So far we are positive on it, but still playing.

 

[tazmo8448]

I was hoping to see how much space it took on the hard drive not how much RAM it takes for 32 or 64... geeze. The UEFI thing I think will cause a few issues too but that is the way the Mercedes Benz.

***UPDATE*** According to PC World it takes 16 GB this is for the beta tryout deal:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2690339/how-to-install-the-windows-10-technical-preview-everything-you-need-to-know.html

 

[Madmaxneo]

Someone mentioned getting rid of Toslink. Toslink is still one of the best ways to get high end audio. In fact it is still better than HD audio. Fiber optics is still a growing industry and it works very well. Maybe if your not an audiopfile then Toslink may not have an appeal but for me being an audiophile Toslink is the way to go. It's either that or coax cable which is the only thing that comes close. From what I have read and been told by those who have compared the two, you can't tell the difference.

As far as windows 10 goes I am ready for it either way. I don't mind Windows 8.1 and I don't see what all the fuss is against it. It would have been cool if I could have taken my old 2004 laptop and ran windows 10 on it but I guess it will have to stick with windows 7 (which runs flawlessly on that old beast). That old laptop is a Dell Inspiron 9200. Dell's first 17" widescreen laptop, and it still runs without any problems to this day. Yes it is a little slow compared to just about anything else but it does work.

 

[USAFRet]

I was hoping to see how much space it took on the hard drive not how much RAM it takes for 32 or 64... geeze. The UEFI thing I think will cause a few issues too but that is the way the Mercedes Benz.

***UPDATE*** According to PC World it takes 16 GB this is for the beta tryout deal:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2690339/how-to-install-the-windows-10-technical-preview-everything-you-need-to-know.html

I've got it installed on an old Tosh laptop.
Approx 35GB when all is done.

 

[somebodyspecial]

<SNIPPED>

I'm sorry, i didn't read your last sentence. You write in a very text message like structure, it's hard to keep going.

NO harm done. I don't really take the web that personally anyway 😉 I don't think anyone should. You'll be happy to know I just stopped crunching for hours on end on vids etc with a dual core (among other things I do at times that is slow as molasses on this PC). Tomorrow a Devils canyon+board show up which hopefully drops power and heat (required in AZ IMHO), or at least finishes stuff 10x faster thus avoiding much of my heat issues on many things I waited as long as I could for AMD to release a CPU IPC monster (sans gpu, ~70-100w, so they could win back us gamers etc), but jeez my cpu is slow. I couldn't handle it anymore now that I'm doing more crunching etc. I hope they put out a gpu monster and fix freesync before I jump on a 20/16/14nm gpu next. They may still get me on a cpu (one of two here isn't bad if they get a monster out the door in time), as I'll probably hand this machine to my dad and buy broadwell/skylake if either shows massive gains for stuff I'm starting to do more of.

 

[Alec Mowat]

This means you can't dual-boot 10 and Ubuntu, fyi

"Windows 8.1 was required to have UEFI v2.3.1 for Secure Boot, but this was an optional feature. In Windows 10 this is no longer optional."

 

[USAFRet]

This means you can't dual-boot 10 and Ubuntu, fyi

"Windows 8.1 was required to have UEFI v2.3.1 for Secure Boot, but this was an optional feature. In Windows 10 this is no longer optional."

Nonsense. Yes you can.
SecureBoot is required for OEM distribution. Which is what the audience was for that presentation.

 

[erendofe]

yeah it"s being pushed for new hardware. what the worry is that some OEM's might do away with any on/off option in the bios for it. ATM I haven't seen any OEM say one way or the other. I think no on/off for secure boot would be stupid but stranger things have happened.

 

[Guest]

I am a huge supporter of getting rid of old systems in the name of progress, but come on i had a gaming PC from 2008 that did not have a UEFI.

Before getting rid of older BIOS were's there other things that needed to be chopped, i don't know like PS/2 port, VGA, DVI, USB 1.0, Toslink.

Why on earth would you wanna get rid of PS/2 or DVI? DVI should be the new legacy analog connection to replace VGA, and PS/2 still has benefits if you're installing something and default drivers for USB don't work well right away.

 

[Madmaxneo]

I am a huge supporter of getting rid of old systems in the name of progress, but come on i had a gaming PC from 2008 that did not have a UEFI.

Before getting rid of older BIOS were's there other things that needed to be chopped, i don't know like PS/2 port, VGA, DVI, USB 1.0, Toslink.

Why on earth would you wanna get rid of PS/2 or DVI? DVI should be the new legacy analog connection to replace VGA, and PS/2 still has benefits if you're installing something and default drivers for USB don't work well right away.

I am not sure where this person was coming from as most of those are still modern ports and will probably be around for awhile. Though to be honest PS/2 has not really been needed for a long time. I don't think I have had to use a PS/2 mouse for 3-4 years and I honestly can't think of anything else that would use that port. Now there was a computer I was using a couple of years ago that had to use a PS/2 mouse and it was difficult finding one that still worked, but that is different than needing to use one.

 

[SamQ]

"For the desktop version of Windows 10, the system requirements are almost identical to Windows 8.1. For a 32-bit OS, you will need 1 GB of RAM with 16 GB of storage space, and for a 64-bit OS, you will need 2 GB of RAM with 20 GB of storage space."

ROTF LMBO

Anyone experienced in the PC world knows that this statement is laughable at best. You might get the bare operating system up in 2GB but a typical system with a couple printers installed and some background processes running will suck this up PDQ. Start an actual program ... or app as the children like to say now .. and the hard drive will start getting the workout of its life. If you don't know why, please just move along (nothing to see here). Start a few programs -- like the 8 I have running this moment (including 5 Chrome windows with about 35 tabs total) and the memory need stands at 9.25 GB. And this is only Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit SP1!! So even the typical 8 GB system one finds at Walmart will be hard pressed if one begins to put it to work in a real way.

I always advise buying the baddest Intel CPU (i7 or Xeon currently) and the most RAM one can afford. The rest will follow suite and last for a while. I have never, ever had a complaint.

BTW, I see a future where this changes. Once M$ has the kids used to renting everything (ala Office 365), I believe we will see a fundamental change in computing. Adobe has already sensed this and is now transitioning their software over to the "rental" model. Many other major players are seeing the cash flow success this is -- especially with corporate customers who have been renting software/hardware since the IBM glory days and don't know any better -- and are also making plans to move to the "rental" model. IMHO, it will be the end of mass computing as we know it. But I digress. At some point (Windows 12 maybe?), M$ will transition completely to the web leaving only a shell manager on the actual computer/hardware; everything else being done via web pages. Ask them how they're getting Office 365 to play nice across platforms. It's because the bulk of the code is running from their web server while your device just has to format the web page to fit your screen (just like a web browser). Tada! And, once this is accomplished, the monthly billing can begin. Because you will no longer have anything that can actually operate on it's own. < grin and bear it > Once the rental model is fully in place (including your documents in their cloud don't forget), only the well-heeled and the government-financed will be regulars in the computing world. What's left of the middle class, and fixed-income seniors, will be out of the picture. BTW, has anyone noticed that Office 365 has transitioned from $15/year to $70/year? LOL Told you so. < smirk >

 

[tazmo8448]

I was hoping to see how much space it took on the hard drive not how much RAM it takes for 32 or 64... geeze. The UEFI thing I think will cause a few issues too but that is the way the Mercedes Benz.

***UPDATE*** According to PC World it takes 16 GB this is for the beta tryout deal:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2690339/how-to-install-the-windows-10-technical-preview-everything-you-need-to-know.html

I've got it installed on an old Tosh laptop.
Approx 35GB when all is done.

Thanks Top

 

[yoji]

I was hoping to see how much space it took on the hard drive not how much RAM it takes for 32 or 64... geeze. The UEFI thing I think will cause a few issues too but that is the way the Mercedes Benz.

***UPDATE*** According to PC World it takes 16 GB this is for the beta tryout deal:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2690339/how-to-install-the-windows-10-technical-preview-everything-you-need-to-know.html

I've got it installed on an old Tosh laptop.
Approx 35GB when all is done.

That may be fine for an initial install.. but don't forget - if you keep it for a while.. it will grow, and you cant do much about it. My 50GB install of Win 7 (base OS plus a few progs.. like AV) has grown to 80GB with me adding nothing.. checking I can see the (hidden, system only) folder "installer" has grown to 21.7GB (and other people report even bigger.. up to 30GB in a quick scan of people who have checked) and the winsxs folder has grown to 10.9GB so for people planning a 'real' install.. make sure you get a SSD which has enough room to grow adequately

HTH
Cheers