Hi guys, this is about ATX case, ATX motherboard and ATX PSU

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Basically I'm getting quite a big upgrade in my opinion anyways. However, I need to know if the ATX motherboard I get will fit in the case I want to get but also I need to know what PSU I will be able to use here.
This is the case link : http://www.ebuyer.com/566887-aerocool-gt-s-black-full-tower-gaming-case-20cm-led-fan-2xusb3-side-en52162

This is the Mobo link :https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-Z170--PRO-Intel-Motherboard/dp/B019NFPHFA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1466541778&sr=8-1&keywords=intel+motherboard+ddr4+1151

Now all I need is a suitable PSU around the likes of 600W
I think I need 600w due to the GTX 1070 im getting, i5 6600k im getting, the Mobo im getting and could you also leave recommendations of ddr4 ram 16gb please

It would be appreicated if you could also tell me if my gpu and cpu would fit in the Mobo and the goods and bads about the board
Thanks in advance
 
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Lol ...
efficiency is a marketing trick to squeeze more money from you and have nothing to do with stability. it's about how much energy is wasted while converting. well, it has something to do with heat generation.
The difference between bronze and gold is about 4-5%. So let's say average load is 300 watt (which is actually much less) for 2-3 hours a day, so you are about to get 15w per hour at most. so let's say 50 watt per day for convenience. So we need 20 days to get 1 kilowatt. and now is the shocking truth ! in a month, you'll save about 10-11 cents (US prices). slightly more than a dollar per year.
While I doubt that titanium rated PSU will be of poor quality, but it can be far from the best in terms of stable power delivery...
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Your case and Motherboard are ATX form factor so you are OK.
Your choice of GPU will be no problem.
When choosing a PSU, Get a Gold or Platinum Certified unit.
I recommend either Corsair, Seasonic or EVGA at 850W if you intend to OC your system and to allow for future expansion.

Choose your DIMMs from the Motherboard manufacturers QVL at the frequency and size kit your MB supports. Differing DIMM kits are tested and listed on the QVL.

Here is a kit ideal for your system: HyperX FURY 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) 2133 MHz DDR4 CL14 UDIMM
There are many other size kits and vendors to suit your budget.

The MSI is a decent gaming board and will provide you sufficient capability.

You can Google around for some expert reviews on your choice of Hardware.
 
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It will work



No, not enough power and/or low quality power supply will cause problems.

It seems like you are not familiar with assembling a computer. I'd suggest to get a help of professional or at least from experienced friend or family member. It's not to offend you but to keep you safe and prevent damage to the computer.
 
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That is a minimum requirement and no more power is no problem at all.
What is important is the units efficiency. It is the life blood of your system and not to be underestimated.


 
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One last thing, because all my keyboard and mouse and other usb wires are 3.0 do you think i can get an adapter for them or do you think it is to early for that?
 
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Efficiency is not that important. The components quality, power delivery stability under various loads and temperatures are important :)
 
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It is a good build for gaming. Not an extreme build but for that you will pay much more.

Regarding taking it to a professional I have to disagree, It will cost you more and you will not learn the technicalities of your system.
Build the unit yourself, friends and family can help. Do your research and there is plenty of help here on the Forum.
Again I have to disagree with efficiency not being important.
It is extremely important. PSUs come in differing tiers, Bronze, Gold and Platinum certification. Efficiency is what provides voltage stability for OCing and under stress.
Read some authority on the subject, Go here: http://www.corsair.com/en/blog/2012/august/80-plus-platinum-what-does-it-mean-and-what-is-the-benefit-to-me
And here: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/understanding-the-80-plus-certification/

 
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That is not correct at all. Voltage rgeulation is primarily dependent on the pulse width modulation controller (like its bandwidth) as well as the primary and secondary topologies. The switching fets and capacitors also play a role in transient response, which is voltage stability under the condition of a sudden load change. Capacitors filter ripple and play a role in that. Efficiency is only the ratio of DC/AC and is nothing more. Efficiency just relates to heat output.

A power supply will not "not have enough power". I know I used a double negative, but it is true that a PSU won't "run out of power" or "hit a limit on power". A typical power supply will shut off from protection circuitry before that would ever happens, usually OCP or OPP, or even UVP, and when a unit shuts off from protection that is a safety mechanism, meaning "not having enough power" not only is an unrealistic scenario but is halted by safe mechanisms. If protection circuitry was not available, a PSU would typically burn before that limit is ever reached. The power limit can only be reached with overridden protections, a particular type of PSU design with overrated MOSFETS, and a specialized load configuration.

Also, a power supply does not supply power, it supplies energy, meaning "not having enough power" alone is like saying, "not having enough rate at which energy is transferred". Saying "not having enough energy" would be more proper, even though, it's an unrealistic scenario. If a PSU stored the energy, you wouldn't even need to plug it into the wall. The energy all comes from the power plant, not the power supply. It just converts and distributes that energy. A PSU is not a squirt gun that runs out of "power" - that's the false picture that unfortunately the majority of people have.
 
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When your system is at peak demand as is with some AAA games or stress testing your system for stability.
That demand may exceed what the PSU can or will deliver efficiently and also more heat will be generated by the PSU resulting in system Crashes or shutdowns.
And in more simple terms without the jargon.
A computer power supply takes AC power from the wall and converts it into DC power. During this conversion, some power is lost and is exhausted as heat. If a power supply is more efficient, it requires less AC power to produce the same amount of DC power than a lesser efficient unit and less heat is produced.

 
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So will the power supply know how much to dish out or does it do it by what it is programmed by? For example, 850w will it give it right amount of power or does the graphics card know how much power to take?
 
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Lol ...
efficiency is a marketing trick to squeeze more money from you and have nothing to do with stability. it's about how much energy is wasted while converting. well, it has something to do with heat generation.
The difference between bronze and gold is about 4-5%. So let's say average load is 300 watt (which is actually much less) for 2-3 hours a day, so you are about to get 15w per hour at most. so let's say 50 watt per day for convenience. So we need 20 days to get 1 kilowatt. and now is the shocking truth ! in a month, you'll save about 10-11 cents (US prices). slightly more than a dollar per year.
While I doubt that titanium rated PSU will be of poor quality, but it can be far from the best in terms of stable power delivery.
So before you say something, just do some homework. Here is a good start http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

No to the pro question. Without help, an inexperienced builder without technical education can injure himself or damage one or more components.
So don't advise people to assemble a computer without one when you clearly see that OP lacks a basic knowledge about electricity and computers.
 
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Tell me, if a PSU "can't deliver" enough power, why would we have overpower protection on PSUs? I think you are misunderstanding efficiency. Less efficiency only results in more heat inside of the PSU. Computer hardware is not bread that will toast - it is metal. The amount of heat inside the power supply will be far less than that of the GPU alone, and would not be the reason for crashes.
 
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Power supplies do what is demanded of them. All of them do. There are three barriers, though:

1) SOme may catch on fire if you push them too hard (only really cheap crappy units do this)
2) They all have differences in build quality. You want a unit with proper protection circuitry, good capacitors, proper heatsinking, and all around high-grade parts.
3) voltage stability is important; there are plenty of Bronze units that have better voltage stability and ripple than some Titanium units.
4) Protection circuitry will shut down a PSU if you push it too far, on good units that don't burn, that is.

@n0ns3ns3: Silverstone has a Titanium unit with poor performance. They actually take some measures to improve efficiency which can negatively affect performance. For instance, less filtering capacitors increases efficiency, but also increases ripple.
 
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I was sure that I wrote something like that in a sentence with "far from best" :)
you know, was trying to use terms that will be understood knowingly ignoring their true meaning.
 
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I was just pointing out a real-world example, which supports what you said.
 
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Harri_:) Sorry for all the conjecture and opinion regarding PSUs.

Next I expect to be accused of misinformation for the advice or opinions I have offered.

Come to your own conclusions and look around the net for other proper expertise. Some is crap as you know but you should be able to filter that out. And regarding building your system. We all have started our first build at one point and with proper precaution as with any electrical component you will be fine.
 
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Also, just one more note I'd like to make on efficiency: a silver unit can still be more efficient in certain scenarios than a gold unit. Many engineers tweak their power supplies to be solely efficient under the 80+ load tests, but in general our computers today crossload a lot and are under smaller load than the 20% they test for. You'll find that some units of a less efficiency rating will be more efficient under certain load combinations that a higher-rated unit.
 
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