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TAYLOR ??? HEADS UP !!
NEWS FLASH ... HOT OFF THE PRESS :
Intel is reportedly launching the Core i7 9-series Extreme Edition sometime this summer before unleashing the Sandy Bridge E-Series for enthusiasts later this year.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Sandy-Bridge-E-Series-Patsburg-Direct-Media-Interface-Core-i7-9-series,12179.html
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NEWS FLASH ... HOT OFF THE PRESS :
Intel is reportedly launching the Core i7 9-series Extreme Edition sometime this summer before unleashing the Sandy Bridge E-Series for enthusiasts later this year.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Sandy-Bridge-E-Series-Patsburg-Direct-Media-Interface-Core-i7-9-series,12179.html
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So I think i might fold on the waiting for Ivy Bridge to come around. I just got some refund money and think it will be blown on the daily coffee and luxury food, rather than me penny pinching to save it until later. Also, that i7 9-series news, the lack of sata III's worth (at least until SSDs become reasonable for storage too), and the super deals I'm finding right now help me move this way too.
I'm toggling a couple things right now though, and luckily RAID STORAGE is on Alvin's to get to list.
Scenario 01: (4TB, MOBO RAIDed)
(4) Spinpoint F3R ($79ea) or HITACHI Deskstar 7K1000.C ($54ea) 1TB and RAID 5 on mobo
questions: would the Sabertooth loose its value if RAIDING on it and if so what controller should the mobo have to have a decent RAID configurability? Secondly, would buying a RAID pci card solve this? (However, this would rid the Sabertooth of having a slot for SSD PCI-e right?) What are some decent options out there? I have no clue what to look for and have been trying to find absolutely clear and distinct answers to this all night!
Scenario 02: (4TB, G-RAID, $500)
Scenario 03: (4tb, external RAID, $339)
Mediasonic HFR2-SU3S2 PRORAID Box 4 Bay Raid Enclosure with USB 3.0 & eSATA loaded with (2) HITACHI Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 (0F12117) 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s because of the sale going on with newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.608079
Scenario 04: (4TB, external RAID, $400) scenario 03 + scenario 01
SSD stuff:
Second Q. I'm looking at the OCZ RevoDrive 120GB ($309) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227578
and the OCZ Vertex 2 120GB ($176 after rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227590
It's hard to spend twice as much for the same amount of storage. Can you sell me on this Alvin, you stated something above about how they are very worth your doe and it's been in my cart before your comment. Will this help me significantly down the road? Any other way than just OS and Software? Could I partition it to be a scratch disk for programs too? Say 90gb for OS+SW and the other 30GB for Scratch Space? This might justify the splurge for me.
I'll be buying this by next week if I fold fyi. I'm getting antsy and I don't think i'll be able to spend big buck on the LGA 2011 stuff later, but know i can buy the mediocre right now. LGA 2011 will probably be bigtime bucks yeah? What do you guys think?
edit 12.feb.2010:
I think its important to note that I'm interested in using this hardrive setup for future really small business server stuff. Maybe 2 or 3 computers hooked up to it. Any suggestions on a server/ hdd RAID enclosure that would suite my needs in the long hall is appreciated too. I like the idea of owner interchangability.
I'm toggling a couple things right now though, and luckily RAID STORAGE is on Alvin's to get to list.
Scenario 01: (4TB, MOBO RAIDed)
(4) Spinpoint F3R ($79ea) or HITACHI Deskstar 7K1000.C ($54ea) 1TB and RAID 5 on mobo
questions: would the Sabertooth loose its value if RAIDING on it and if so what controller should the mobo have to have a decent RAID configurability? Secondly, would buying a RAID pci card solve this? (However, this would rid the Sabertooth of having a slot for SSD PCI-e right?) What are some decent options out there? I have no clue what to look for and have been trying to find absolutely clear and distinct answers to this all night!
Scenario 02: (4TB, G-RAID, $500)
Scenario 03: (4tb, external RAID, $339)
Mediasonic HFR2-SU3S2 PRORAID Box 4 Bay Raid Enclosure with USB 3.0 & eSATA loaded with (2) HITACHI Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 (0F12117) 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s because of the sale going on with newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.608079
Scenario 04: (4TB, external RAID, $400) scenario 03 + scenario 01
SSD stuff:
Second Q. I'm looking at the OCZ RevoDrive 120GB ($309) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227578
and the OCZ Vertex 2 120GB ($176 after rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227590
It's hard to spend twice as much for the same amount of storage. Can you sell me on this Alvin, you stated something above about how they are very worth your doe and it's been in my cart before your comment. Will this help me significantly down the road? Any other way than just OS and Software? Could I partition it to be a scratch disk for programs too? Say 90gb for OS+SW and the other 30GB for Scratch Space? This might justify the splurge for me.
I'll be buying this by next week if I fold fyi. I'm getting antsy and I don't think i'll be able to spend big buck on the LGA 2011 stuff later, but know i can buy the mediocre right now. LGA 2011 will probably be bigtime bucks yeah? What do you guys think?
edit 12.feb.2010:
I think its important to note that I'm interested in using this hardrive setup for future really small business server stuff. Maybe 2 or 3 computers hooked up to it. Any suggestions on a server/ hdd RAID enclosure that would suite my needs in the long hall is appreciated too. I like the idea of owner interchangability.
Display's to look at. Coming from the professional (still) photography market the NEC Multisync monitors with the built in calibration software and included matching hardware are the "sweet spot" these days. While not cheap by any standards they calibrate very well to what editors are using so they are looking at what you saw on your monitor at least as close as possible. This one is the 27" but they do offer different sizes. The models that come with calibrators are "said" to be hand picked to be more even across the screen in both color and brightness. Of course the Eizo's are often the standard but really pricy. www.eizo.com
This applies to today's still photography/Photoshop world and can't say it applies to video but color accuracy I would think would be of most importance. If video which I'm just dabbling into is different, please disregard this.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._SV_MultiSync_PA271W_BK_SV_27_Widescreen.html
This applies to today's still photography/Photoshop world and can't say it applies to video but color accuracy I would think would be of most importance. If video which I'm just dabbling into is different, please disregard this.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._SV_MultiSync_PA271W_BK_SV_27_Widescreen.html
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@JimZ,
Thanks (the links don't work but, I can see where they lead).
Most of the folks who are here (on this thread) *would get a dual proc ws and the best pro displays, *IF* money was no object. In most cases (I am guessing), a professional graphics house, or a corporate pubs division will pop for all that hard-core gear because, compared to the personnel and admin overhead, ... as a percentage of outlay, this big iron represents a reltively meager, one-time "charge" (against that cost/profit center).
Typically, *I* (on this forum) have been jumping on threads where I can clearly see students, teachers, and entrepreneurs (etc.) have unclear or misguided perceptions about what level (and type) of investment is required (in a hw platform) to fully meet their current and projected sw reqs ...
... BUT ... With THESE toolsets (which need lots of power and can use ANY amount) ...
... With THESE pro-graphics suites, we are most often tasked with simply deriving as much BALANCED THEOUGHPUT, and ADEQUATE USER INTERFACE from whatever funds are available (or can be justified) ... So ... We are putting "X"-number-of-dollars towards "X"-amount+quality-of-OUTPUT (finished projects) ...
... And ... to do all that, without compromising the continuous operational integrity of (both) the system (continuous function of the total operating environment) and the integrity of all data.
BALANCE ! ! ! . . . Speed ... integrity ... initial outlay ... ongoing ops costs ...
... And, internally, to balance all components and to apply funds to those subsystems which present the greatest obstacle to optimized output (quantity @ spec quality).
So ... I won't spend TOO much time, analysing the specs, of those "highest end" (top tier) monitors ...
... On THIS forum, I do, occasionally, receive clients who are clearly shopping, for the big iron ... but ... those clients are fairly rare, "in here" because ... for that sort of money, there is usually an on-site integrator (and on-demand, on-site support) ... Just like a company might get with one of those High-End Xerox Copy machines ...
... I have been one of those on-site techs ... And, I have also been a (Fortune 500) corporate accounts tech, who provides direct support, to those permanent corporate on-site techs.
... That just seems to be how it goes ... Around here, anyway, the systems we build are typically for people who (for one reason or another .. *budget*, etc.) NEED to get as much of that BIG IRON "oomph", as they can (personally) afford.
... and ... sometimes ... a HS/JC Edit Lab might come calling, just to suss the current landscape (state of the market).
I am a BIG believer in "Advanced/Ergonomic User-Optimized Interfaces" and ... yes ... 90%+ of all our human input comes in, thru our eyes ... so ... to the limits of human perception, Display subsystems DO deserve serious and thoughtful consideration ... BUT ... fact ... Unless you are printing glossy hard copy, MOST ALL CONSUMERS, of your professional output (content) will be watching (listenning) to this stuff on NORMAL CONSUMER KIT ... Boomy 2.1 Audio and (only) millions of colors.
Most serious recording studios actually have extra sets of car-speakers and consumer ear-buds, etc., to monitor what the final consumer is likely to ACTUALLY hear/see.
... Sure ... if your 4K feature digital film is going global, it makes sense, to "go big" ... but, even in Hollywood, you are likely to farm that Colorization work to a house which owns the big iron and has on-site support ... schedules and contracts dictate that level of investment.
Grad Student? ... Come and get your DELL/HP monitors !! YAY! (billions of colors!) ... and they CAN be calibrated.
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Thanks (the links don't work but, I can see where they lead).
Most of the folks who are here (on this thread) *would get a dual proc ws and the best pro displays, *IF* money was no object. In most cases (I am guessing), a professional graphics house, or a corporate pubs division will pop for all that hard-core gear because, compared to the personnel and admin overhead, ... as a percentage of outlay, this big iron represents a reltively meager, one-time "charge" (against that cost/profit center).
Typically, *I* (on this forum) have been jumping on threads where I can clearly see students, teachers, and entrepreneurs (etc.) have unclear or misguided perceptions about what level (and type) of investment is required (in a hw platform) to fully meet their current and projected sw reqs ...
... BUT ... With THESE toolsets (which need lots of power and can use ANY amount) ...
... With THESE pro-graphics suites, we are most often tasked with simply deriving as much BALANCED THEOUGHPUT, and ADEQUATE USER INTERFACE from whatever funds are available (or can be justified) ... So ... We are putting "X"-number-of-dollars towards "X"-amount+quality-of-OUTPUT (finished projects) ...
... And ... to do all that, without compromising the continuous operational integrity of (both) the system (continuous function of the total operating environment) and the integrity of all data.
BALANCE ! ! ! . . . Speed ... integrity ... initial outlay ... ongoing ops costs ...
... And, internally, to balance all components and to apply funds to those subsystems which present the greatest obstacle to optimized output (quantity @ spec quality).
So ... I won't spend TOO much time, analysing the specs, of those "highest end" (top tier) monitors ...
... On THIS forum, I do, occasionally, receive clients who are clearly shopping, for the big iron ... but ... those clients are fairly rare, "in here" because ... for that sort of money, there is usually an on-site integrator (and on-demand, on-site support) ... Just like a company might get with one of those High-End Xerox Copy machines ...
... I have been one of those on-site techs ... And, I have also been a (Fortune 500) corporate accounts tech, who provides direct support, to those permanent corporate on-site techs.
... That just seems to be how it goes ... Around here, anyway, the systems we build are typically for people who (for one reason or another .. *budget*, etc.) NEED to get as much of that BIG IRON "oomph", as they can (personally) afford.
... and ... sometimes ... a HS/JC Edit Lab might come calling, just to suss the current landscape (state of the market).
I am a BIG believer in "Advanced/Ergonomic User-Optimized Interfaces" and ... yes ... 90%+ of all our human input comes in, thru our eyes ... so ... to the limits of human perception, Display subsystems DO deserve serious and thoughtful consideration ... BUT ... fact ... Unless you are printing glossy hard copy, MOST ALL CONSUMERS, of your professional output (content) will be watching (listenning) to this stuff on NORMAL CONSUMER KIT ... Boomy 2.1 Audio and (only) millions of colors.
Most serious recording studios actually have extra sets of car-speakers and consumer ear-buds, etc., to monitor what the final consumer is likely to ACTUALLY hear/see.
... Sure ... if your 4K feature digital film is going global, it makes sense, to "go big" ... but, even in Hollywood, you are likely to farm that Colorization work to a house which owns the big iron and has on-site support ... schedules and contracts dictate that level of investment.
Grad Student? ... Come and get your DELL/HP monitors !! YAY! (billions of colors!) ... and they CAN be calibrated.
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I'm working on that. Right now, all I know is that is was being used 24/7 for design and then the occasional render. Since that project ended, it has not acted up since. There is an instant 20 degrees C temp increase as soon as two monitors are connected, but to my knowledge, the temps have not gone much over 50-something C.
I'll post back here when I figure out how to re-create the conditions that caused the problem.
Yeah I hear you Alvin, always a balancing act. I actually have a couple of 24" HP's and Dell that are about 3 years old. They do make some decent monitors for sure but for critical photo editing "many" of the newer models get really hard to calibrate colorwise when you get them down to 110-120cdm/m2. Seems these days the try to make them so bright for office environments. You are absolutely right that most don't want to or can afford these monitors, even though they are half the Eizo's!! Right now I'm willing to sacrifice a bit on the performance end of my systems for critical color work but you are right that most don't need it.... just thought I'd throw that out there for comparisons.
I've been following this thread very closely and have found it more educational than ANY other thread I've ever come across for current quality builds in this arena. I'm in no rush right at the moment am just trying to soak in some of your guys knowledge so that when I pull the trigger on components I might make better decisions. You sharing your knowledge is greatly appreciated by many besides me I'm sure.
Sorry on those links. A little different than other forums I participate in.
Jim
I've been following this thread very closely and have found it more educational than ANY other thread I've ever come across for current quality builds in this arena. I'm in no rush right at the moment am just trying to soak in some of your guys knowledge so that when I pull the trigger on components I might make better decisions. You sharing your knowledge is greatly appreciated by many besides me I'm sure.
Sorry on those links. A little different than other forums I participate in.
Jim
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Back @ JimZ,
If a customer comes into this "process" KNOWING that they will need or want a "more serious and expensive" (Industry Calibration Standard) option, ... If this req/desire is clearly stated, in the OP's Initial Post ... Then ... sher ... I'll jump right on it ... Professional Photogs (25MP RAW types) ... .MXF/.r3d-2K+ (4:2:2 +) ... "extended color-space" ...
... all that ... sher ... Your work-flow and bandwidth "pipe", as well as any "Submission Standards" (BBC/PBS/"House") ...
... And ... I have said that there is a certain value in customer/client perception ... That they will expect "serious" kit, for what they are paying (for a life-time wedding poitrait).
.... I am just saying ... If you ARE a Free-Lance Pro ... Paying THAT kind of money ... ??
... MAKE CERTAIN that your client is fully aware of whate they are sitting in front of !!! .. I would even go as far as to say (to them) ... "You know? ... This monitor costs $2,800 and displays billions of colors but ... to MY eye ... it looks like it might be jjjust a llittle bit ... 'off' ... I think I'll just calibrate it, real quick, before we review your Wedding Proofs " ...
... LoL !! ...
My main point ? ... If you want one of those monitors ... You will be certain of it long before you talk to Alvin, about it ... Alvin can help (with sourcing and connectivity) but ... the best folks to ask (best source of PRACTICAL info), about these monitors, ARE THE PROS THAT USE THEM EVERY SINGLE DAY ...
... I can pick out your cables and connectors ... compare pricing and specs ... acccessories, etc ... mounts ... But shopping for one of those displays is a WHOLE project, in it's self ... not just a whimsical whistle-stop, on the "new-build" itinerary.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd9WJNy7B9s
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If a customer comes into this "process" KNOWING that they will need or want a "more serious and expensive" (Industry Calibration Standard) option, ... If this req/desire is clearly stated, in the OP's Initial Post ... Then ... sher ... I'll jump right on it ... Professional Photogs (25MP RAW types) ... .MXF/.r3d-2K+ (4:2:2 +) ... "extended color-space" ...
... all that ... sher ... Your work-flow and bandwidth "pipe", as well as any "Submission Standards" (BBC/PBS/"House") ...
... And ... I have said that there is a certain value in customer/client perception ... That they will expect "serious" kit, for what they are paying (for a life-time wedding poitrait).
.... I am just saying ... If you ARE a Free-Lance Pro ... Paying THAT kind of money ... ??
... MAKE CERTAIN that your client is fully aware of whate they are sitting in front of !!! .. I would even go as far as to say (to them) ... "You know? ... This monitor costs $2,800 and displays billions of colors but ... to MY eye ... it looks like it might be jjjust a llittle bit ... 'off' ... I think I'll just calibrate it, real quick, before we review your Wedding Proofs " ...
... LoL !! ...
My main point ? ... If you want one of those monitors ... You will be certain of it long before you talk to Alvin, about it ... Alvin can help (with sourcing and connectivity) but ... the best folks to ask (best source of PRACTICAL info), about these monitors, ARE THE PROS THAT USE THEM EVERY SINGLE DAY ...
... I can pick out your cables and connectors ... compare pricing and specs ... acccessories, etc ... mounts ... But shopping for one of those displays is a WHOLE project, in it's self ... not just a whimsical whistle-stop, on the "new-build" itinerary.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd9WJNy7B9s
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I have been following jfklimek and Alvin Smith's excellent (and entertaining) thread with keen interest. It's as complete and thorough as anything I've seen recently, but I still have questions. It seems the more I know the more I don't know. Or just as often I just don't know. Would you please help me to make sure that all the bits and pieces will work together and efficiently.
I hope this is the right place to ask for your input and expertise.
Approximate Purchase Date: Sooner rather than later - unless it makes more sense to wait until April for Sandy Bridge -or- build now and upgrade later?
Budget Range: $2,500 - $3,999 After Rebates
System Usage: Graphics workstation - Autodesk - Maya 2011, 3D max, V-Ray rendering, Adobe CS5 - little or no gaming.
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com, amazon.com
Country of Origin: US
Parts Preferences: I have no preference - just want what will provide the best performance and reliability for the buck.
Overclocking: I need the community's advice since I've never done this.
SLI or Crossfire: Again, I need the community's advice since I've never done this.
Monitor Resolution: At minimum 1920x1200. I'm impressed with Alvin Smith's recommendation of the HP / Hewlett-Packard ZR30w 30" Widescreen LCD Computer Display even though it may break the budget.
Additional Comments: I would like to have a built-in upgrade path. I would like a quiet PC.
CPU Qs:
1. Is an Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz CPU $319.99 (vs AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz $199.99) built-in upgrade path the way to go - eventually upgrading to Sandy Bridge?
MOBO / Qs: To quote from jfklimek: "what are the important things to look at with a mobo besides the fact that all the pieces work with it. Do some parts work better with certain mobos than others?"
ASUS Rampage III Formula LGA 1366 Intel X58 $279.99
MEM Qs:
1. How much does 24 Gigs (vs 12 Gigs) reduce rendering time?
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 $209.99 (x2 $419.98).
GPU: Quadro 4000 $779.99
SSD: OCZ RevoDrive X2 OCZSSDPX-1RVDX0240 PCI-E 240GB PCI-Express x4 $679.00
HDD: Seagate Barracuda XT ST32000641AS 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $169.99
PSU: SeaSonic X750 Gold 750W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD $169.99
COOLER: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 $29.99 &
COOLER MASTER R4-BMBS-20PK-R0 Blade Master 120mm Case Fan $11.99
BURNER: ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL $18.99
CARD READER: Rosewill RCR-IC002 74-in-1 USB 2.0 3.5" Internal Card Reader w/ USB port / Extra silver face plate $16.99
CASE: COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $119.99
KEYBOARD: Logitech 920-000914 Black 106 Normal Keys USB Wired Ultra-thin Illuminated Keyboard $59.99
MONITOR: The Dell UltraSharp U2410 Monitor $499
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM $139.99
Total ~ $3,800
Please don't hold back. Thanks, Mike
I hope this is the right place to ask for your input and expertise.
Approximate Purchase Date: Sooner rather than later - unless it makes more sense to wait until April for Sandy Bridge -or- build now and upgrade later?
Budget Range: $2,500 - $3,999 After Rebates
System Usage: Graphics workstation - Autodesk - Maya 2011, 3D max, V-Ray rendering, Adobe CS5 - little or no gaming.
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com, amazon.com
Country of Origin: US
Parts Preferences: I have no preference - just want what will provide the best performance and reliability for the buck.
Overclocking: I need the community's advice since I've never done this.
SLI or Crossfire: Again, I need the community's advice since I've never done this.
Monitor Resolution: At minimum 1920x1200. I'm impressed with Alvin Smith's recommendation of the HP / Hewlett-Packard ZR30w 30" Widescreen LCD Computer Display even though it may break the budget.
Additional Comments: I would like to have a built-in upgrade path. I would like a quiet PC.
CPU Qs:
1. Is an Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz CPU $319.99 (vs AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz $199.99) built-in upgrade path the way to go - eventually upgrading to Sandy Bridge?
MOBO / Qs: To quote from jfklimek: "what are the important things to look at with a mobo besides the fact that all the pieces work with it. Do some parts work better with certain mobos than others?"
ASUS Rampage III Formula LGA 1366 Intel X58 $279.99
MEM Qs:
1. How much does 24 Gigs (vs 12 Gigs) reduce rendering time?
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 $209.99 (x2 $419.98).
GPU: Quadro 4000 $779.99
SSD: OCZ RevoDrive X2 OCZSSDPX-1RVDX0240 PCI-E 240GB PCI-Express x4 $679.00
HDD: Seagate Barracuda XT ST32000641AS 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $169.99
PSU: SeaSonic X750 Gold 750W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD $169.99
COOLER: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 $29.99 &
COOLER MASTER R4-BMBS-20PK-R0 Blade Master 120mm Case Fan $11.99
BURNER: ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL $18.99
CARD READER: Rosewill RCR-IC002 74-in-1 USB 2.0 3.5" Internal Card Reader w/ USB port / Extra silver face plate $16.99
CASE: COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $119.99
KEYBOARD: Logitech 920-000914 Black 106 Normal Keys USB Wired Ultra-thin Illuminated Keyboard $59.99
MONITOR: The Dell UltraSharp U2410 Monitor $499
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM $139.99
Total ~ $3,800
Please don't hold back. Thanks, Mike
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Well, there have been several systems built here for exactly the same applications that you intend to use. I think the MAIN thing this thread has proved is: The i7-950 - GTX570/580/560Ti?, 12GB ram, one 128GB SSD, one or more 1TB Spinpoints, is a VERY GOOD system for these apps. There is NO NEED for a Sandy Bridge system at this time, UNLESS you do NOT need to build your system NOW.
It seems to me, unless there is something wrong with my math, given your budget, you can afford a new top-end system PLUS the 30" HP.
Look carefully at the previous systems that were built here. I can tell you from first hand experience, they will do the job, you will be very happy. The i-7-950 / GTX580 that I built loads 3ds Max 2011 in seconds, renders large objects in very acceptable times, and allows very fluid viewport manipulation. Every last part for that system is in a post somewhere here. You may be able to save a little by using a different MB and memory. I probably would have gone cheaper if I could do it over, but I'm happy.
More importantly, the person I built it for is VERY happy, and she runs EXACTLY the same apps as you indicated above.
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1. Is an Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz CPU $319.99 (vs AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz $199.99) built-in upgrade path the way to go - eventually upgrading to Sandy Bridge?
I'd go with i7. eventually the extreme x58's will drop and you can upgrade then. I'm planning on this now.
MOBO / Qs: To quote from jfklimek: "what are the important things to look at with a mobo besides the fact that all the pieces work with it. Do some parts work better with certain mobos than others?"
ASUS Rampage III Formula LGA 1366 Intel X58 $279.99
I'm not the one for this.
MEM Qs:
1. How much does 24 Gigs (vs 12 Gigs) reduce rendering time?
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 $209.99 (x2 $419.98).
I think 24 gigs will allow you to do heavy rendering without restriction. I'm not very sure how much more 1600 would save you vs. 1333, all i know is when you hit a memory restriction, it's the pits
GPU: Quadro 4000 $779.99
what illy has discovered is the indifference and actually restrictions the quadro has vs. gtx 580. I just recently spoke with the school computer technician and he spoke briefly about the difference between gaming and ws cards. He said if you know you will be doing much 2d work, i.e. PS, workstation cards are it. The thing is that workstation cards are designed to read 2d and 3d entities separately however gaming cards are configured? built? to read all with 3d language. I know, however, that AutoCAD can somehow tell the GPU to read 2d stuff 3 dimensionally so AutoCAD, i don't think, is heavily affected, nor other 3d programs.
SSD: OCZ RevoDrive X2 OCZSSDPX-1RVDX0240 PCI-E 240GB PCI-Express x4 $679.00
This is heavy. will it help your work greatly? do you know something i don't know? please share!
HDD: Seagate Barracuda XT ST32000641AS 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $169.99
I have a question. I see hitachi 5k3000 2tb 5800rpm 32mb cache on newegg for $70/per. Their 7k3000 2tb 7200rpm 64mb cache is $120/per. If an SSD is going to be used as the boot and apps drive, will the difference between these two types of hdds really affect the performance in a workstation computer? what if they were raided similarly?
PSU: SeaSonic X750 Gold 750W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD $169.99
This should be enough? If you get the 850 you'll probably be safer for future upgrading, SLIing, etc.
CARD READER: Rosewill RCR-IC002 74-in-1 USB 2.0 3.5" Internal Card Reader w/ USB port / Extra silver face plate $16.99
I've been reading up on these lately. Can't seem to find a RIGHT answer so your guess is as good as mine!
KEYBOARD: Logitech 920-000914 Black 106 Normal Keys USB Wired Ultra-thin Illuminated Keyboard $59.99
I heard this was awesome from some reputable peoples
I think Alvin is in hibernation. an 11 paged will do that to anyone.
I'd go with i7. eventually the extreme x58's will drop and you can upgrade then. I'm planning on this now.
MOBO / Qs: To quote from jfklimek: "what are the important things to look at with a mobo besides the fact that all the pieces work with it. Do some parts work better with certain mobos than others?"
ASUS Rampage III Formula LGA 1366 Intel X58 $279.99
I'm not the one for this.
MEM Qs:
1. How much does 24 Gigs (vs 12 Gigs) reduce rendering time?
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 $209.99 (x2 $419.98).
I think 24 gigs will allow you to do heavy rendering without restriction. I'm not very sure how much more 1600 would save you vs. 1333, all i know is when you hit a memory restriction, it's the pits
GPU: Quadro 4000 $779.99
what illy has discovered is the indifference and actually restrictions the quadro has vs. gtx 580. I just recently spoke with the school computer technician and he spoke briefly about the difference between gaming and ws cards. He said if you know you will be doing much 2d work, i.e. PS, workstation cards are it. The thing is that workstation cards are designed to read 2d and 3d entities separately however gaming cards are configured? built? to read all with 3d language. I know, however, that AutoCAD can somehow tell the GPU to read 2d stuff 3 dimensionally so AutoCAD, i don't think, is heavily affected, nor other 3d programs.
SSD: OCZ RevoDrive X2 OCZSSDPX-1RVDX0240 PCI-E 240GB PCI-Express x4 $679.00
This is heavy. will it help your work greatly? do you know something i don't know? please share!
HDD: Seagate Barracuda XT ST32000641AS 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $169.99
I have a question. I see hitachi 5k3000 2tb 5800rpm 32mb cache on newegg for $70/per. Their 7k3000 2tb 7200rpm 64mb cache is $120/per. If an SSD is going to be used as the boot and apps drive, will the difference between these two types of hdds really affect the performance in a workstation computer? what if they were raided similarly?
PSU: SeaSonic X750 Gold 750W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD $169.99
This should be enough? If you get the 850 you'll probably be safer for future upgrading, SLIing, etc.
CARD READER: Rosewill RCR-IC002 74-in-1 USB 2.0 3.5" Internal Card Reader w/ USB port / Extra silver face plate $16.99
I've been reading up on these lately. Can't seem to find a RIGHT answer so your guess is as good as mine!
KEYBOARD: Logitech 920-000914 Black 106 Normal Keys USB Wired Ultra-thin Illuminated Keyboard $59.99
I heard this was awesome from some reputable peoples
I think Alvin is in hibernation. an 11 paged will do that to anyone.
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So i'm really getting close to building these things. I've ordered the following:
i7-950
Thermalright Archon CPU cooler
Mushkin 998770 (1333mhz 3x4gb kit) (x2) = 24gb ram
Lian Li A77f
I am sold on the following:
Seasonic x850
ASUS sabertooth x58
PNY gtx 570
I'm wondering if a card reader or a fan controller are worth $40?:
sunbeam fan control: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811995075
aft card reader: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820176016
The big question has to do with hard drive space:
I'd like Hitachi drives. I'd like to RAID them but could get to that later. I'm not sure how serious I should go with this but I've been looking at getting a NAS for upgradeable and remote access to my drives.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822122058
I think this is a killer deal but it is really expensive. I could definitely use this money towards a better monitor.
or should i just buy a raid card for the sabertooth?
or get the ASUS Px58D-E for the raid capability?
or should i go with a cheaper NASish solution?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816322004
My main desires are to have a long lasting system that could convert WHEN the time is right into a small business server. The initial price for the better NAS would be acceptable if it would be reliable for many many many years to come. Please let me know yalls thoughts.
Lastly is the question posted in my last comments to mikeB's build. Are the 7k3000 7200rpm 64mb cache 2tb drives a much better solution for a high quality workstation build over the 5k3000 5900rpm 32mb cache 2tb drives? right now the 5k3g's are $70 each on neweeg vs. 7k3gs $120 price tag. Do you understand my problems?
much obliged forumies!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAMIlPudalQ
(in hopes to bring Alvin out of his slumber... but i hope when off his rem cycle of course).
i7-950
Thermalright Archon CPU cooler
Mushkin 998770 (1333mhz 3x4gb kit) (x2) = 24gb ram
Lian Li A77f
I am sold on the following:
Seasonic x850
ASUS sabertooth x58
PNY gtx 570
I'm wondering if a card reader or a fan controller are worth $40?:
sunbeam fan control: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811995075
aft card reader: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820176016
The big question has to do with hard drive space:
I'd like Hitachi drives. I'd like to RAID them but could get to that later. I'm not sure how serious I should go with this but I've been looking at getting a NAS for upgradeable and remote access to my drives.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822122058
I think this is a killer deal but it is really expensive. I could definitely use this money towards a better monitor.
or should i just buy a raid card for the sabertooth?
or get the ASUS Px58D-E for the raid capability?
or should i go with a cheaper NASish solution?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816322004
My main desires are to have a long lasting system that could convert WHEN the time is right into a small business server. The initial price for the better NAS would be acceptable if it would be reliable for many many many years to come. Please let me know yalls thoughts.
Lastly is the question posted in my last comments to mikeB's build. Are the 7k3000 7200rpm 64mb cache 2tb drives a much better solution for a high quality workstation build over the 5k3000 5900rpm 32mb cache 2tb drives? right now the 5k3g's are $70 each on neweeg vs. 7k3gs $120 price tag. Do you understand my problems?
much obliged forumies!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAMIlPudalQ
(in hopes to bring Alvin out of his slumber... but i hope when off his rem cycle of course).
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I really hate to say this, but I'm not sure anymore about Sandy vs i7 950. I mean, look at the AnandBench for exemple. The 2600K beats the 950 on every single field.
Photoshop
Video Encoding/Compressing
Gaming
etc.
All the applications I'm going to use seems to run faster with these Sandy Procs.
Why an i7 950/12GB would beat a i7 2600K/16GB ?
Someone could help me with this ? Please ?
Photoshop
Video Encoding/Compressing
Gaming
etc.
All the applications I'm going to use seems to run faster with these Sandy Procs.
Why an i7 950/12GB would beat a i7 2600K/16GB ?
Someone could help me with this ? Please ?
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Great advice and feedback - thanks. I've revisited the component list and shaved off some $900. If I stretch I could even get the 30" HP!
MOBO: ASUS Sabertooth X58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $187.99
CPU: Intel Core i7-950 (OC'd to 3.8GHz with a Noctua 140mmx120mm push-pull cooler) $299.99
COOLER: Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler $89.99
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COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 $29.99 &
COOLER MASTER R4-BMBS-20PK-R0 Blade Master 120mm Case Fan $11.99 (together - $41.98) Has anyone configured the Sabertooth mobo, i7 950 cpu and Noctua or COOLER MASTER cooler successfully?
GPU: Quadro 4000 $779.99
MEM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9T-12GBRL $134.94
HDD: 2 x SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $129.98
SSD: OCZ RevoDrive OCZSSDPX-1RVD0120 PCI-E x4 120GB PCI Express MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $279.99
PSU: SeaSonic X750 Gold 750W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD $169.99
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SeaSonic X Series X-850 (SS-850KM Active PFC F3) 850W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply $194.99
BURNER: ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL $18.99
CARD READER: AFT XM-35U BLACK USB 2.0 Kiosk Card Reader (3.5") $39.99
CASE: COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $119.99
KEYBOARD: Logitech 920-000914 Black 106 Normal Keys USB Wired Ultra-thin Illuminated Keyboard $59.99
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM $94.99
Total ~ $2,400 sans monitor.
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No ... My friend died and, frankly, after that, I saw no reason to return, until now.
If TAYLOR is still around, he might be interested (in this anncmnt).
Intel X79 Chipset Details Leaked
http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Intel_X79_Chipset_Details_Leaked/551-114967-581.html
I *DID* miss you guys ... fer sher ... but this thread's base config was pretty well "fixed", until now.
With the anouncement of the new 25nm Class SSDs and the X79 chipset, we all just might have something worthy to discuss.
Just FYI ... I am STILL liking the X58/1366 ... Maybe leaning towards a hex core ... And I am pretty sure the SabreTooth/Seasonic-X-Series and 460(1GB rev only)/560i/570 is the current "way to go", for a base platform ...
... I DO NOW recommend the Vertex3 series (or perhaps the Crucial 300) ... I am *NOT* liking the new INTEL SSD or the M4 ... OR ... the "new"(25nm) Vertex2 drives ... apparently ... some of the 45nm drives are actually MORE reliable (longer MTBF).
I see the new Vertex3 line as the new "King-of-the-Heap" and would only recommend the Crucials, as an alternative ... the 45nm Crucials, at this time.
... The newer 25nm Vertex2 drives appear to suck , most profusely.
If you (all) have read the recent articles and reviews, here, on SSDs, ... I very much DISagree with the author ... ANYBODY who is NOT a gamer, should have an SSD boot drive, in there, ... EVEN A SLOW/SMALL (~80GB+) SSD ... For the sake of RELIABILITY ... I think the author was either misguided or or "unduly influenced" in his conclusions and he REALLY must know better.
... If you require either/or/and ... Reliability &/or Integrity ... DEFINATELY ... Pay whatever you must, to get a boot SSD in there ... from the very start (your new build).
I missed youze guises ... sorry for the stone wall ... I am still trying to get a handle on my extended accounting issues (I over-diversified and cant keep up with all the details and just openning mail (truck-loads).
My friend, David, died ... doing what he loved ... we will scatter his ashes on one of our favorite Austin-green-Belt hiking trails ... he was a really cool dude ... We'll miss him.
=Alvin=
If TAYLOR is still around, he might be interested (in this anncmnt).
Intel X79 Chipset Details Leaked
http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Intel_X79_Chipset_Details_Leaked/551-114967-581.html
I *DID* miss you guys ... fer sher ... but this thread's base config was pretty well "fixed", until now.
With the anouncement of the new 25nm Class SSDs and the X79 chipset, we all just might have something worthy to discuss.
Just FYI ... I am STILL liking the X58/1366 ... Maybe leaning towards a hex core ... And I am pretty sure the SabreTooth/Seasonic-X-Series and 460(1GB rev only)/560i/570 is the current "way to go", for a base platform ...
... I DO NOW recommend the Vertex3 series (or perhaps the Crucial 300) ... I am *NOT* liking the new INTEL SSD or the M4 ... OR ... the "new"(25nm) Vertex2 drives ... apparently ... some of the 45nm drives are actually MORE reliable (longer MTBF).
I see the new Vertex3 line as the new "King-of-the-Heap" and would only recommend the Crucials, as an alternative ... the 45nm Crucials, at this time.
... The newer 25nm Vertex2 drives appear to suck , most profusely.
If you (all) have read the recent articles and reviews, here, on SSDs, ... I very much DISagree with the author ... ANYBODY who is NOT a gamer, should have an SSD boot drive, in there, ... EVEN A SLOW/SMALL (~80GB+) SSD ... For the sake of RELIABILITY ... I think the author was either misguided or or "unduly influenced" in his conclusions and he REALLY must know better.
... If you require either/or/and ... Reliability &/or Integrity ... DEFINATELY ... Pay whatever you must, to get a boot SSD in there ... from the very start (your new build).
I missed youze guises ... sorry for the stone wall ... I am still trying to get a handle on my extended accounting issues (I over-diversified and cant keep up with all the details and just openning mail (truck-loads).
My friend, David, died ... doing what he loved ... we will scatter his ashes on one of our favorite Austin-green-Belt hiking trails ... he was a really cool dude ... We'll miss him.
=Alvin=
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I agree. All that advice looks good.
More RAM is better than faster RAM ... I recommend a 3-channel kit of low-profile ram ~1333/C7 ... 3x4GB sticks, to start, if budget allows.
Rules of thumb ...
* 1333c9 is roughly equal to 1066c7 ... and ... 1333c7 is roughly = to 1600c9
* 24 GB is VERY expensive to get running at full clock (certified kit) ...
... UNLESS you REALLY must allocate a 6GB+ RamDisk for temp files, then 12GB should be PLENTY, for a quad Core ... If you have a real need (lots of renders, using fully exploitive multithreadded apps) ... THEN ... go with the cheapest 6-core and 24GB of 3ch DRAM (ANY speed).
*** Three RAM speed steps (C6>>C9 ... or 1333c7>>1600c7) is roughly equal to a 0.1GHz increase in proc speed and will only shave about 10% off your render times, if that ... ILLY did a test, I think ... I think it shaved only 3 minutes off a 20 minute render (at most) so ... MORE ram will speed your system up (much more) than "faster" ram ... and ... You would do MUCH better to spen on a faster/larger (and MORE) SSD(s), than to squander your performance budget on hyped RAM kits.
Finally ... The REVO-DRIVES *WERE* a good idea, a year ago, for pro graphicxs apps ... BUT ... The Vertex3 drives, on a SATA-III(6GB/s) port is far superior, in MANY ways ... The Revo drives just are not worth it unless you have a COMPELLING justification, at this point.
Go Vertex3 ... Boot AND scratch drives ... If you want to be cost/optimized.
Hope that helps. I'm going to be scarce, until after memorial Day, but I will be checking in, as time allows.
I have not really caught all the way up, on this thread, either.
Glad to see everyone still has their heads screwed on good and straight.
Later, Then.
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The problem is not with the proc or the benches ... The problem is with the socket and the bus.
Socket 2011 and X79 has just been announced ... That is what we are all waiting for.
X58 is a GREAT deal, right now, and for months to come ... A 6-Core i7 in an X58 mobo AINT no slouch ! (and, the price is right).
... So ... Can you wait for 2011/X79 ??? ... Good! ... Then, do so.
Can't wait ?? ... Go X58 and, possibly, spring for a hex core (12 threads).
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So ... yesterday (see my last 2 posts) the new socket 2011/X79 platform was officially leaked and is due out in Q4, this year.
... And ... less than 30 minutes prior to this post, a newer, faster 1366/i7 HEX CORE EXTREME was announced and added to the top of the price list ...
... This does not effect my recommendations, ATM, except that is means that the "slower" HEX CORE i7 chips will be dropping in price and that socket 1366/X58 still has plenty of LIFE/Duration left in it ... i.e., ... affordable and very fast HEX core upgrades should be available, for X58, for some time to come ... perhaps another 18 months, or more, of availability, for X58 HEX CORE UPGRADES. (yay!).
Intel Core i7 990X Extreme Edition review
More processing power than Skynet, but do you really need it?
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-components/processors/intel-core-i7-990x-extreme-939516/review
A lame article, but they were first to report the announcement.
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... And ... less than 30 minutes prior to this post, a newer, faster 1366/i7 HEX CORE EXTREME was announced and added to the top of the price list ...
... This does not effect my recommendations, ATM, except that is means that the "slower" HEX CORE i7 chips will be dropping in price and that socket 1366/X58 still has plenty of LIFE/Duration left in it ... i.e., ... affordable and very fast HEX core upgrades should be available, for X58, for some time to come ... perhaps another 18 months, or more, of availability, for X58 HEX CORE UPGRADES. (yay!).
Intel Core i7 990X Extreme Edition review
More processing power than Skynet, but do you really need it?
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-components/processors/intel-core-i7-990x-extreme-939516/review
A lame article, but they were first to report the announcement.
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Just an update, on the whole Sandy vs. X58 decision and my recommendations ...
... for those who might dig up this thread, on a web search ...
First, read the conclusion, of this "most recent" (THG) Test/Review/Analysis ...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p67-gaming-3-way-sli-three-card-crossfire,2910-17.html
So ... If you MUST buy, now ... It looks like the Unlocked Sandy plus an NF200 Chipset will trounce an X58 with the same core count ... Cost differences, aside.
Nonetheless, as for me, personally, I would still MUCH prefer to wait for the X79/2011 solution, with *FULL* PCIe 3.0 bandwidth, rather than to purchase a (somewhat) kludgy workaround, for the hobbled P67/NF200/1155 socket/bus architechture ... But that's just me.
The full sized socket, 2011, for the Sandies, along with the "free-breathing" and fully flexible X79 Express PCIe 3.x platform is what the original design "intends", and what *I* prefer to insist, upon ....
... For those of you who are after sheer speed/performance, on renders and are not going to load your system with extra GPUs plus screaming slot drives ... The NF200 with an Unlocked Sandy should be just fine (if the price is right) ...
... Here is my current/recommendation, (as noted in this article's conclusion), for those who are going with the Sandy, and cannot wait for 2011/X79 ...
ASUS P8P67 WS REVOLUTION LGA 1155 Intel P67 / NVIDIA NF200 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
B3/Digi+VRM, UEFI BIOS, NF200, Dual Intel LAN, CUDA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131714
This is a NEW/CHANGE, in my recommendations and I am open to debate, on this choice, as a "best mobo", ... Please feel free to chime in with any thots or other "propsed" superior recommendations (cost/performance).
(But, the conclusions, in this posted article/review "satisfy" my concerns, to a large degree, regarding the Hobbled P67 bandwidth "problem" ... The NF200 chipset is the solution).
This thread is just for graphics/pro and advanced student ws builds. (not gaming).
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... for those who might dig up this thread, on a web search ...
First, read the conclusion, of this "most recent" (THG) Test/Review/Analysis ...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p67-gaming-3-way-sli-three-card-crossfire,2910-17.html
So ... If you MUST buy, now ... It looks like the Unlocked Sandy plus an NF200 Chipset will trounce an X58 with the same core count ... Cost differences, aside.
Nonetheless, as for me, personally, I would still MUCH prefer to wait for the X79/2011 solution, with *FULL* PCIe 3.0 bandwidth, rather than to purchase a (somewhat) kludgy workaround, for the hobbled P67/NF200/1155 socket/bus architechture ... But that's just me.
The full sized socket, 2011, for the Sandies, along with the "free-breathing" and fully flexible X79 Express PCIe 3.x platform is what the original design "intends", and what *I* prefer to insist, upon ....
... For those of you who are after sheer speed/performance, on renders and are not going to load your system with extra GPUs plus screaming slot drives ... The NF200 with an Unlocked Sandy should be just fine (if the price is right) ...
... Here is my current/recommendation, (as noted in this article's conclusion), for those who are going with the Sandy, and cannot wait for 2011/X79 ...
ASUS P8P67 WS REVOLUTION LGA 1155 Intel P67 / NVIDIA NF200 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
B3/Digi+VRM, UEFI BIOS, NF200, Dual Intel LAN, CUDA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131714
This is a NEW/CHANGE, in my recommendations and I am open to debate, on this choice, as a "best mobo", ... Please feel free to chime in with any thots or other "propsed" superior recommendations (cost/performance).
(But, the conclusions, in this posted article/review "satisfy" my concerns, to a large degree, regarding the Hobbled P67 bandwidth "problem" ... The NF200 chipset is the solution).
This thread is just for graphics/pro and advanced student ws builds. (not gaming).
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