Question High virtual memory usage instead of RAM ?

[Cantholdanylonger]

so i just notice that the game that i play was using a 23gb of memory, but then i realize its using a lot of virtual memory instead of the ram (use ram just only 4,5 gb). i got 90fps on max setting but the game really stuttering even sometime its freezing.
but i also have another game that use only 4,5 gb of ram and 24gb of virtual memory, and the game is running totaly fine it get 80-90fps with no stuttering and freezing.
Is it because of the game is poorly optimized?

*all driver are up to date, i dint change the virtual memory setting it in "System Managed Size", dint have a lot running background apps

thx

Spec
CPU: ryzen 5 5600g
Motherboard: asrock b550m pro4 (lates bios update 3.40)
Ram: adata xpg spectrix ddr4 3200mhz
SSD/HDD: vgen hyper m.2 (for os) kingston ssd sata 1tb (for game)
GPU: rx 6600 challenger white
PSU: 1stplayer dk premium 600w 80plus brownze
OS: windows 11 pro 23h2 (lates update)

 

[Lutfij]

Is it because of the game is poorly optimized?
You might want to include the name(s) of the mystery games that is drawing so much virtual memory.

i dint change the virtual memory setting it in "System Managed Size"
Have you tried running the games without virtual memory?

 

[CountMike]

so i just notice that the game that i play was using a 23gb of memory, but then i realize its using a lot of virtual memory instead of the ram (use ram just only 4,5 gb). i got 90fps on max setting but the game really stuttering even sometime its freezing.
but i also have another game that use only 4,5 gb of ram and 24gb of virtual memory, and the game is running totaly fine it get 80-90fps with no stuttering and freezing.
Is it because of the game is poorly optimized?

*all driver are up to date, i dint change the virtual memory setting it in "System Managed Size", dint have a lot running background apps

thx

Spec
CPU: ryzen 5 5600g
Motherboard: asrock b550m pro4 (lates bios update 3.40)
Ram: adata xpg spectrix ddr4 3200mhz
SSD/HDD: vgen hyper m.2 (for os) kingston ssd sata 1tb (for game)
GPU: rx 6600 challenger white
PSU: 1stplayer dk premium 600w 80plus brownze
OS: windows 11 pro 23h2 (lates update)

Just how much RAM do you have installed and how much is it available at idle. ?

 

[Cantholdanylonger]

Just how much RAM do you have installed and how much is it available at idle. ?

16gb ddr4 3200 mhz and its idle around 4.4 gb of ram and available at 11gb

 

[Cantholdanylonger]

Is it because of the game is poorly optimized?
You might want to include the name(s) of the mystery games that is drawing so much virtual memory.

i dint change the virtual memory setting it in "System Managed Size"
Have you tried running the games without virtual memory?

Have you tried running the games without virtual memory?
yes its crash immediately

You might want to include the name(s) of the mystery games that is drawing so much virtual memory.
cyberpunk 2077 (high fps, no stuttering but use so much virtual memory)
Red Dead Redemption 2 (high fps, no stuttering but use so much virtual memory)
the first decendant (high fps, stuttering alot and use so much virtual memory)

the first decendant only this game that stuttering a lot, the other game use almost the same amount of virtual memory

 

[Misgar]

yes its crash immediately

I'm not surprised. I probably wouldn't disable the Windows Paging File with less than 64GB system RAM. I believe Windows needs a small amount of VM to write crash log reports during a BSOD, so it's best to enable a small amount of VM, even if you've got 128GB+ system RAM

the game that i play was using a 23gb of memory

i also have another game that use only 4,5 gb of ram and 24gb of virtual memory

This could simply be an indication you might benefit from more memory and an upgrade to 32GB system RAM might be in order. I've checked all three games and they should run in 16GB, but how many other programs do you have running in the background. Web browsers can consume GB of RAM if you have lots of tabs open.

 

[SkyNetRising]

I probably wouldn't disable the Windows Paging File with less than 64GB system RAM.

You shouldn't do that at all - EVER.
Disabling virtual memory introduces memory subsystem errors.

game that i play was using a 23gb of memory, (use ram just only 4,5 gb).
but i also have another game that use only 4,5 gb of ram and 24gb of virtual memory

i dint change the virtual memory setting it in "System Managed Size", dint have a lot running background apps

Please show screenshots from Task Manager - Performance/Memory section.
(upload to imgur.com and post link)

24GB of virtual memory usage is unnecessary.
Excessively large page file will reduce system performance.
Set virtual memory to custom mode - 1GB initial, 8GB max.

 

[Cantholdanylonger]

I'm not surprised. I probably wouldn't disable the Windows Paging File with less than 64GB system RAM. I believe Windows needs a small amount of VM to write crash log reports during a BSOD, so it's best to enable a small amount of VM, even if you've got 128GB+ system RAM



This could simply be an indication you might benefit from more memory and an upgrade to 32GB system RAM might be in order. I've checked all three games and they should run in 16GB, but how many other programs do you have running in the background. Web browsers can consume GB of RAM if you have lots of tabs open.

i dint have background app run or web browser tabs .

what the reason that the game is using so much virtual memory rather than the ram its self? it is because i just have 16 gb ram? So, when the game requires more than 16GB of RAM, it starts using virtual memory? even the ram its self still available?

 

[CountMike]

i dint have background app run or web browser tabs .

what the reason that the game is using so much virtual memory rather than the ram its self? it is because i just have 16 gb ram? So, when the game requires more than 16GB of RAM, it starts using virtual memory? even the ram its self still available?

‚Yes that's exact reason but beside some ram (usually 3-4GB) which windows uses for own needs, only memory overflowing installed RAM are written to virtual/page file memory.

 

[geofelt]

An app is coded using the amount of address space it needs.
It is the job of windows content management to match the actively used pages of virtual memory to the real ram.

Task manager can be misleading if it is used to assess ram use.
Windows stores unused code in ram in anticipation of quick reuse.
If an app tries to access code that is not currently resident in ram, it needs to fetch it from the page file and perhaps write some older data to the page file to make room. That is called a hard page fault and while the fault is not resolved, the app stops dead.
Resolution can be painful if the page file is on a HDD.

When actively running, open task manager, open the resource monitor/memory tab.
Look at the hard fault rate column.
If you see anything much more than zero, you can use more ram.

 

[SkyNetRising]

what the reason that the game is using so much virtual memory rather than the ram its self?

How are you getting virtual memory usage numbers?
They do not seem appropriate/realistic.

Please show screenshots.

 

[Cantholdanylonger]

An app is coded using the amount of address space it needs.
It is the job of windows content management to match the actively used pages of virtual memory to the real ram.

Task manager can be misleading if it is used to assess ram use.
Windows stores unused code in ram in anticipation of quick reuse.
If an app tries to access code that is not currently resident in ram, it needs to fetch it from the page file and perhaps write some older data to the page file to make room. That is called a hard page fault and while the fault is not resolved, the app stops dead.
Resolution can be painful if the page file is on a HDD.

When actively running, open task manager, open the resource monitor/memory tab.
Look at the hard fault rate column.
If you see anything much more than zero, you can use more ram.

so i try it while playing game while seeing on a resource monitor.

the hard fault sometime jumping 4-40/s but its avarage 0/s
and the commit is around 12gb and private around 4.5 gb just the game. with total physical usage is 10Gb (4+gb game + system 5gb) available 4.5gb (in resource monitor)

game storage drive sata ssd is 100% usage
my ssd sata speed test (read=539mb/write=495mb on diskmark)

os drive m.2 nvme 0% usage while playing game

i notice that if i have more available ram its gonna use the commit more (virtual memory) rather than the physical ram its self

*sorry i thought im using 24gb virtual ram turns out its just only using around 10-14gb of virtual memory, and the 24gb is a total physical memory + virtual memory

 

[geofelt]

With a hard fault page rate near zero, I conclude that you have sufficient real ram.
Forget about virtual ram usage as an issue.

How full is your game ssd?
If it is near full, it will slow down considerably.

 

[Cantholdanylonger]

With a hard fault page rate near zero, I conclude that you have sufficient real ram.
Forget about virtual ram usage as an issue.

How full is your game ssd?
If it is near full, it will slow down considerably.

37.7 Gb Of free space

 

[gamerk316]

Question: Outside of the game(s) in question, how large is the Page File? I'm wondering if it's size is due to it not getting properly cleaned out when not in use, rather then being used by the game(s) in question.

 

[Cantholdanylonger]

Question: Outside of the game(s) in question, how large is the Page File? I'm wondering if it's size is due to it not getting properly cleaned out when not in use, rather then being used by the game(s) in question.

sorry i dont really understand but in idle (not open any apps) it using a 5gb of virtual memory i see it on resource monitor in commit (kb)

and also in task manager my committed total memory is 28.4gb so 16gb physical + 12gb virtual
the committed total at idle is 10gb (4,9gb from physical + 5gb from virtual)


when playing game the commit (kb) is around 12+gb
my virtual memory is 12.8 gb by system managed
and also my memory cached at 6.5gb is it bad? (at idle)

 

[SkyNetRising]

sorry i dont really understand

You're being asked on file size for pagefile.sys
You'd have to enable "show hidden files" in folder options, to see the file.

and also in task manager my committed total memory is 28.4gb so 16gb physical + 12gb virtual
the committed total at idle is 10gb (4,9gb from physical + 5gb from virtual)

Why do you refuse to show any screenshots?
That would be way more helpful and you would avoid any errors on reported numbers.
(use imgur.com - press new post on upper left corner, upload image and and post link)

 

[geofelt]

37.7 Gb Of free space

Seems sufficient; barely.
Check your game forums, there may be some settings you are missing.

 

[Cantholdanylonger]

Why do you refuse to show any screenshots?

Sorry, I didn't know how to upload an image before