highest level dungeon(s) that a duo can do

[pepsi]

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I play as Druid, my wife plays as Rogue. We do participate in larger
groups, but prefer playing the 2-person a lot more (we're just more
comfortable because we can go AFK whenever we want, plus dont like
dealing with jerks, greedy bastards, or hardcore know it all players
who get anal if we don't play the number-crunching style)

As level 46 Druid, level 45 rogue, we just finished Scarlet Monastery
as a duo. (barely, both of us had less than 200hp left after
killing Mograine/Whitemane). I'm sure someone here will chime
in that they did it with an even lower level duo, or with
a less optimal class pairing, but we were pretty happy. Dealing
Mograine the death blow with only @ 75hp left as bear (and
her coming THIS close to death during the fight before landing
some lucky rejuv+regrowth on her) and hearing my wife cheer was the
best gaming experience I've had and probably the reason I play
this game.

Anyways, what is the highest level instance that a duo with
decent skills can do (survive long enough to get some decent loot,
not necessarily kill boss/mini bosses). I'd like to try getting a
couple of Wildheart pieces (bracers, belt or gloves) as a duo. Also
some Shadowcraft stuff for my wife. Basically, what's possible with
Level 60 Druid/Level 60 Rogue outfitted with mostly blues, 1-2 epic,
2-3 greens? I know I'll have to get into bigger groups/raid for most
of these pieces, but honestly, I prefer the challenge of trying for
some of these with just me and my wife. It helps(a lot) that we can
stealth thru a lot of stuff.


Next we're going to tackle Zul'Farrak to get Masons Frat Ring/Carrot,
probably at level 47+level 46. I also want to try getting Mark
of the Chosen in Maraudon as a duo when we're both at level 47.
We could wait to get a few more levels, but thats no challenge.

 

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<pepsi@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> I play as Druid, my wife plays as Rogue. We do participate in larger
> groups, but prefer playing the 2-person a lot more (we're just more
> comfortable because we can go AFK whenever we want, plus dont like
> dealing with jerks, greedy bastards, or hardcore know it all players
> who get anal if we don't play the number-crunching style)
>
> As level 46 Druid, level 45 rogue, we just finished Scarlet Monastery
> as a duo. (barely, both of us had less than 200hp left after
> killing Mograine/Whitemane). I'm sure someone here will chime
> in that they did it with an even lower level duo, or with
> a less optimal class pairing, but we were pretty happy. Dealing
> Mograine the death blow with only @ 75hp left as bear (and
> her coming THIS close to death during the fight before landing
> some lucky rejuv+regrowth on her) and hearing my wife cheer was the
> best gaming experience I've had and probably the reason I play
> this game.
>
> Anyways, what is the highest level instance that a duo with
> decent skills can do (survive long enough to get some decent loot,
> not necessarily kill boss/mini bosses). I'd like to try getting a
> couple of Wildheart pieces (bracers, belt or gloves) as a duo. Also
> some Shadowcraft stuff for my wife. Basically, what's possible with
> Level 60 Druid/Level 60 Rogue outfitted with mostly blues, 1-2 epic,
> 2-3 greens? I know I'll have to get into bigger groups/raid for most
> of these pieces, but honestly, I prefer the challenge of trying for
> some of these with just me and my wife. It helps(a lot) that we can
> stealth thru a lot of stuff.
>
>
> Next we're going to tackle Zul'Farrak to get Masons Frat Ring/Carrot,
> probably at level 47+level 46. I also want to try getting Mark
> of the Chosen in Maraudon as a duo when we're both at level 47.
> We could wait to get a few more levels, but thats no challenge.
>
>

You can probably finish some of the quests in ZF at 46+47 but I think you
can forget all about the quest for the fraternity ring. Just about all of
Maraudon will be too tough too, except maybe some of purple. 46,47 is about
the minimum level you would want assuming a 6 man group.

Divino quest would be tough even with 2 level 60's IMO.

 

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<pepsi@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> I play as Druid, my wife plays as Rogue. We do participate in larger
> groups, but prefer playing the 2-person a lot more (we're just more
> comfortable because we can go AFK whenever we want, plus dont like
> dealing with jerks, greedy bastards, or hardcore know it all players
> who get anal if we don't play the number-crunching style)
>
> As level 46 Druid, level 45 rogue, we just finished Scarlet Monastery
> as a duo. (barely, both of us had less than 200hp left after
> killing Mograine/Whitemane). I'm sure someone here will chime
> in that they did it with an even lower level duo, or with
> a less optimal class pairing, but we were pretty happy. Dealing
> Mograine the death blow with only @ 75hp left as bear (and
> her coming THIS close to death during the fight before landing
> some lucky rejuv+regrowth on her) and hearing my wife cheer was the
> best gaming experience I've had and probably the reason I play
> this game.
>
> Anyways, what is the highest level instance that a duo with
> decent skills can do (survive long enough to get some decent loot,
> not necessarily kill boss/mini bosses). I'd like to try getting a
> couple of Wildheart pieces (bracers, belt or gloves) as a duo. Also
> some Shadowcraft stuff for my wife. Basically, what's possible with
> Level 60 Druid/Level 60 Rogue outfitted with mostly blues, 1-2 epic,
> 2-3 greens? I know I'll have to get into bigger groups/raid for most
> of these pieces, but honestly, I prefer the challenge of trying for
> some of these with just me and my wife. It helps(a lot) that we can
> stealth thru a lot of stuff.
>
>
> Next we're going to tackle Zul'Farrak to get Masons Frat Ring/Carrot,
> probably at level 47+level 46. I also want to try getting Mark
> of the Chosen in Maraudon as a duo when we're both at level 47.
> We could wait to get a few more levels, but thats no challenge.

As Vladesch already mentioned, you've about hit the apex of 2-person
instance running, at the Scarlet Monastery. Beyond there, the monsters
just get too tough, and too many in most places, for only two people
to manage, no matter how good. There may be a few isolated places
where you could both stealth in and surprise attack a selected boss
somewhere with only two... but I can't think of any at the moment.
I'd concentrate on finding some more dependable people that you
enjoy playing with and who can party with you on a regular basis,
otherwise its gonna be pick-up city for you from here on in.
-Marshall

 

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In article <c5lQe.3586$z2.1885@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Marshall" <Marshall@nospam.com> wrote:

> <pepsi@home.com> wrote in message
> news:3t93h1t8aihqs0cimkkibua6gv3j2t2h0l@4ax.com...
> >
> > I play as Druid, my wife plays as Rogue. We do participate in larger
> > groups, but prefer playing the 2-person a lot more (we're just more
> > comfortable because we can go AFK whenever we want, plus dont like
> > dealing with jerks, greedy bastards, or hardcore know it all players
> > who get anal if we don't play the number-crunching style)
> >
> > As level 46 Druid, level 45 rogue, we just finished Scarlet Monastery
> > as a duo. (barely, both of us had less than 200hp left after
> > killing Mograine/Whitemane). I'm sure someone here will chime
> > in that they did it with an even lower level duo, or with
> > a less optimal class pairing, but we were pretty happy. Dealing
> > Mograine the death blow with only @ 75hp left as bear (and
> > her coming THIS close to death during the fight before landing
> > some lucky rejuv+regrowth on her) and hearing my wife cheer was the
> > best gaming experience I've had and probably the reason I play
> > this game.
> >
> > Anyways, what is the highest level instance that a duo with
> > decent skills can do (survive long enough to get some decent loot,
> > not necessarily kill boss/mini bosses). I'd like to try getting a
> > couple of Wildheart pieces (bracers, belt or gloves) as a duo. Also
> > some Shadowcraft stuff for my wife. Basically, what's possible with
> > Level 60 Druid/Level 60 Rogue outfitted with mostly blues, 1-2 epic,
> > 2-3 greens? I know I'll have to get into bigger groups/raid for most
> > of these pieces, but honestly, I prefer the challenge of trying for
> > some of these with just me and my wife. It helps(a lot) that we can
> > stealth thru a lot of stuff.
> >
> >
> > Next we're going to tackle Zul'Farrak to get Masons Frat Ring/Carrot,
> > probably at level 47+level 46. I also want to try getting Mark
> > of the Chosen in Maraudon as a duo when we're both at level 47.
> > We could wait to get a few more levels, but thats no challenge.
>
> As Vladesch already mentioned, you've about hit the apex of 2-person
> instance running, at the Scarlet Monastery. Beyond there, the monsters
> just get too tough, and too many in most places, for only two people
> to manage, no matter how good. There may be a few isolated places
> where you could both stealth in and surprise attack a selected boss
> somewhere with only two... but I can't think of any at the moment.
> I'd concentrate on finding some more dependable people that you
> enjoy playing with and who can party with you on a regular basis,
> otherwise its gonna be pick-up city for you from here on in.
> -Marshall

What's more, as you get to lvl 55-60 and start pining after the
remaining set items for your class, you need to hit Stratholme,
Scholomance, Dire Maul, LBRS, etc... and these are tough work with a
good 5-man, wipe-city with a bad one. With just two people, those set
items are unattainable.

Later on you'll want the amazing purple items that make the set items
look pretty lame, and those can only be found in places like Molten Core
or Onyxia's Lair which are very tough even with the maximum 40-person
raid.

To get around WoW's huge twit-factor you have to do three things IMHO:

1) Make liberal use of your "friends" list. Anyone who plays well,
doesn't Leeroy, doesn't cause wipes, doesn't ninja, etc... they are now
a "friend". You may not be their "friend", it doesn't matter.
Later on, when you desperately need a good priest to fill our your
group, you have a list of them.

2) Join a guild. Or make one. In either case, the leadership must
have an active recruitment policy combined with an iron-clad no-twits
rule. If you can gather a few dozen cool and competent high levels
together in one helpful group, one chat channel, the game is much easier.

3) Use the "Karma" addon. It has recently been updated and much
improved by a new programmer, so be sure to get that version instead of
the older abandoned buggy one. This utility keeps a rating (which you
control) on anyone you've grouped with, coloring their name in their
portrait appropriately (red=bad, blue=neutral, green=good, with a
10-shade spectrum). It also keeps any notes you make, and remembers
where you grouped/quested with them. The idea here is that even months
later when your memory has faded, you won't make the mistake of grouping
with a loser twice.

 

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As others have mentioned youv pretty much hit your peak for duo-instance
swatting. Zullferrek (or whatever) , maraudon and sunken temple are all
pretty frisky for the level range, too much so for a two person group
unfortunatly. And as previous posters have said, to get the 'good'
stuff, you gotta go into some truely nasty places that make spots like
ZF and mara look like a walk through ragefire chasm.

Your best bet is to group regularly with various people in lesser
instances to kinda test the waters, so to speak. Its pretty much
impossible to guess when a person youv grouped with for months and has
always been cool might spaz and ninja the first epic ya'll find. But you
cant go too far with out trusting someone to some degree, cross your
fingers, and pray others are big fans of the whole "do unto others..."
skit.

Goood luck.

 

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In article <3t93h1t8aihqs0cimkkibua6gv3j2t2h0l@4ax.com>, pepsi@home.com
wrote:

> I play as Druid, my wife plays as Rogue.

Excellent combination, IMO. I've duo-ed with a couple of rogues, and we
make a pretty good pair.

"The whole party" being able to sneak past certain areas is definitely a
bonus

--
Nabuu, Tauren druid on Dethecus.
Also (rarely):
Chum, Gnome warlock, Bronzebeard
Tost, Dwarven rogue, Bronzebeard
Meadow, Night elf priest, Bronzebeard
Harmany, Undead mage, Dethecus
<http://www.ManyFriends.com/WoW/PhotoAlbum/>
Aka "Misc" -- If you don't remove your pants, I won't get your email.

 

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pepsi@home.com wrote:
> I play as Druid, my wife plays as Rogue. We do participate in larger
> groups, but prefer playing the 2-person a lot more (we're just more
> comfortable because we can go AFK whenever we want, plus dont like
> dealing with jerks, greedy bastards, or hardcore know it all players
> who get anal if we don't play the number-crunching style)
>
> As level 46 Druid, level 45 rogue, we just finished Scarlet Monastery
> as a duo. (barely, both of us had less than 200hp left after
> killing Mograine/Whitemane). I'm sure someone here will chime
> in that they did it with an even lower level duo, or with
> a less optimal class pairing, but we were pretty happy. Dealing
> Mograine the death blow with only @ 75hp left as bear (and
> her coming THIS close to death during the fight before landing
> some lucky rejuv+regrowth on her) and hearing my wife cheer was the
> best gaming experience I've had and probably the reason I play
> this game.
>
> Anyways, what is the highest level instance that a duo with
> decent skills can do (survive long enough to get some decent loot,
> not necessarily kill boss/mini bosses). I'd like to try getting a
> couple of Wildheart pieces (bracers, belt or gloves) as a duo. Also
> some Shadowcraft stuff for my wife. Basically, what's possible with
> Level 60 Druid/Level 60 Rogue outfitted with mostly blues, 1-2 epic,
> 2-3 greens? I know I'll have to get into bigger groups/raid for most
> of these pieces, but honestly, I prefer the challenge of trying for
> some of these with just me and my wife. It helps(a lot) that we can
> stealth thru a lot of stuff.
>
>
> Next we're going to tackle Zul'Farrak to get Masons Frat Ring/Carrot,
> probably at level 47+level 46. I also want to try getting Mark
> of the Chosen in Maraudon as a duo when we're both at level 47.
> We could wait to get a few more levels, but thats no challenge.
>
>

When you both get to 60, get another druid and stealth LBRS/DM East
bosses. You should be able to get most of them, and they drop some of
the best druid/rogue stuff in game, including several WH/SC pieces in
LBRS and amazing healing/crit gear in DM

 

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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:24:44 GMT, Nabuu
<Nabuu@*YOUR-PANTS*ManyFriends.com> wrote:

>In article <3t93h1t8aihqs0cimkkibua6gv3j2t2h0l@4ax.com>, pepsi@home.com
>wrote:
>
>> I play as Druid, my wife plays as Rogue.
>
>Excellent combination, IMO. I've duo-ed with a couple of rogues, and we
>make a pretty good pair.
>
>"The whole party" being able to sneak past certain areas is definitely a
>bonus


Yeah, Druid/Rogue combo duo is great. I've thought of what our 2nd
duo will be if we ever get bored of the current duo, but the option
of duo stealthing is almost too good to give up.

We've decided that our next duo needs to have double healing ability
for added survivability, so I figure we'll go horde and
do Shaman/Druid or Shaman/Shadow Priest, but damn, I will miss
being able to stealth thru everything that's boring/tiresome.


In terms of more efficient killing, which would be the better duo,
Shaman/Druid or Shaman/Priest (shadow)?

I'm actually looking forward to playing this type of duo,
because in our current setup, I'm doing almost everything
(leader, tank, puller, healer, caster, buffer) while all my wife
needs to do is poison, stand behind the mob and melee. Plus I'm the
one doing all the dying while she gets to vanish. Since she can't
resurrect me, I wind up doing all the graveyard runs while she is
stealthed by my corpse. It'll be nice to be resurrected.

I think I do about 20x as many actions as she does
on any given night. It must be nice to just follow and assist.
Can't complain much tho, if we reversed the situation, she'd
get tired of the game and I'd lose a game partner!

 

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pepsi@home.com wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:24:44 GMT, Nabuu
> <Nabuu@*YOUR-PANTS*ManyFriends.com> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <3t93h1t8aihqs0cimkkibua6gv3j2t2h0l@4ax.com>, pepsi@home.com
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I play as Druid, my wife plays as Rogue.
>>
>>Excellent combination, IMO. I've duo-ed with a couple of rogues, and we
>>make a pretty good pair.
>>
>>"The whole party" being able to sneak past certain areas is definitely a
>>bonus
>
>
>
> Yeah, Druid/Rogue combo duo is great. I've thought of what our 2nd
> duo will be if we ever get bored of the current duo, but the option
> of duo stealthing is almost too good to give up.

I've leveled my hunter up to 50 with a friend who plays a warlock. 90%
of the time we play as a duo, though we often grouped with a second duo
(mage and rogue) from our guild. We had pretty good success running
instances as a duo up through the Monastery.

> We've decided that our next duo needs to have double healing ability
> for added survivability, so I figure we'll go horde and
> do Shaman/Druid or Shaman/Shadow Priest, but damn, I will miss
> being able to stealth thru everything that's boring/tiresome.
>
>
> In terms of more efficient killing, which would be the better duo,
> Shaman/Druid or Shaman/Priest (shadow)?

Both shamans and shadow priests do more damage than a druid, I think. A
shaman won't keep up with either a priest or a druid in healing, though.
Although the shaman's self-resurrection capability makes a pretty nice
safety net when you get wiped.

> I'm actually looking forward to playing this type of duo,
> because in our current setup, I'm doing almost everything
> (leader, tank, puller, healer, caster, buffer) while all my wife
> needs to do is poison, stand behind the mob and melee. Plus I'm the
> one doing all the dying while she gets to vanish. Since she can't
> resurrect me, I wind up doing all the graveyard runs while she is
> stealthed by my corpse. It'll be nice to be resurrected.

You could always talk her into taking up engineering and carrying Goblin
Jumper Cables. Okay, they usually don't work, but wow! what fun when
they do!

 

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thats it.. with a party of 3 stealthers (2 druid +1rogue or 2 rogue +1
druid) u can do DM West AND East runs. For LBRS u need 2 rogues and 1
druid for most bosses. 2 druid dont do enough damage.
A nice thing is capturing the mines in AV BG with 2 rogue 1 druid...
then, when u take a 5ppl stealth team (or 4 good geared) u can kill a
few bosses in BRD but i think thats it...

 

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pepsi@home.com wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:24:44 GMT, Nabuu
> <Nabuu@*YOUR-PANTS*ManyFriends.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <3t93h1t8aihqs0cimkkibua6gv3j2t2h0l@4ax.com>, pepsi@home.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I play as Druid, my wife plays as Rogue.
> >
> >Excellent combination, IMO. I've duo-ed with a couple of rogues, and we
> >make a pretty good pair.
> >
> >"The whole party" being able to sneak past certain areas is definitely a
> >bonus
>

I haven't done druid/rogue but my friend and I did double rogues after
we got our mains to 60 and it was a lot of fun.


>
> Yeah, Druid/Rogue combo duo is great. I've thought of what our 2nd
> duo will be if we ever get bored of the current duo, but the option
> of duo stealthing is almost too good to give up.
>
> We've decided that our next duo needs to have double healing ability
> for added survivability, so I figure we'll go horde and
> do Shaman/Druid or Shaman/Shadow Priest, but damn, I will miss
> being able to stealth thru everything that's boring/tiresome.
>

The mains my friend and I had went all the way to 60 as a shaman/hunter
duo.

The problem with your plan is that no healing class is as good at
damage as pretty much any of the non-healing classes. Especially if
you are looking to duo some high end stuff, you need DPS. Mobs will
eventually kill your two healers just by running you out of mana if you
can't kill them first, and this is especially true when you're having
to use the same mana bar for both your damage and your heals.

I would really look at some combination of hunter/warlock/shaman. A
pet is a very handy thing to have. It's extra dps and it will tank for
you. It'll delay mobs while you run away. Sacrificing your pet can
let you do some of the same stuff that stealthing can, as far as
getting you past obstacles to complete quests and get to guarded
chests.

A shaman is nice because it's like a druid who never has to shapeshift.
All your nuking, healing, and melee abilities are always available at
the same time. Speaking as a 60th shaman, the best PvE build I believe
is 0/30/21 element/enhancement/restoration, relying on melee for most
of your damage and saving your mana for heals.

With shaman and warlock self-rez and hunter feign death, you have some
protection from wipes as well.

>
> In terms of more efficient killing, which would be the better duo,
> Shaman/Druid or Shaman/Priest (shadow)?
>

>From those choices, I'd say Shaman/Druid. Like I said, though, I'd
rather see a warlock or hunter with the shaman than a druid.
Shaman/Druid will probably work, but it's going to be slow.

> I'm actually looking forward to playing this type of duo,
> because in our current setup, I'm doing almost everything
> (leader, tank, puller, healer, caster, buffer) while all my wife
> needs to do is poison, stand behind the mob and melee. Plus I'm the
> one doing all the dying while she gets to vanish. Since she can't
> resurrect me, I wind up doing all the graveyard runs while she is
> stealthed by my corpse. It'll be nice to be resurrected.
>
> I think I do about 20x as many actions as she does
> on any given night. It must be nice to just follow and assist.
> Can't complain much tho, if we reversed the situation, she'd
> get tired of the game and I'd lose a game partner!

Well I'd suggest you let her play the Shaman then, as the requirement
of having to shapeshift in order to use your skills might be
frustrating to her. The Shaman is easier to play than a Druid.