How big improvement do x800GTO(256) get over gf 6800(128)?

[funnyvlad]

The weather is quite ok here right now but it have been too cold and too much snow till late march.

Memory is important and I would have upgraded my memory a couple of months ago but everytime I tried to do that I got a bluescreen. I think I have to reinstall the whole computer cause the DIMMlaces are fucked up(the cannot overwrite a new module or something).

I reckon when I changed a graphics card on my brothers computer from radeon 9600xt (128) to x850xt. I thought this would be a major improvement even if he had a shitty amd xp2600+ (thoroughbred). When we tried Quake 4 he had worse result than I got from my weak gf 6800( I had a similar cpu then). I suspected that his 512Mb ram was the reason but I couldnt think that 768Mb could do that difference as I had/still have. We put an extra 512Mb in his computer and there was a remarkable difference. Even if he did get an slight improvement over my rig it was totally playable at high 1024x768(radeoncard are weak on opengl).

 

[fainis]

ihmm strange indeed ..... well nvidia are well known for their opengl capabilities indeed but not to worry my friend the difference is extremely small...remember when nvidia ruled in doom3 .....x850xt pl came and blasted the 6800 ultra........

my personal s*** blows in quake 4 at 1280x1024 full details ..and also i get 60 fps in doom 3 at 1024x768 even in ultra quality..........

not to worry my friend video cards like this are very strong........it`s the rest of the sistem you have to worry about......
i must admit i did not tested this games .. as i`ve stated above...on 512 ram and even worse (except for cod 2....tested on same x800gto which run perfectly on 1gig ram and allmost notplayable on 512 ram)......i reckon the sistem will run very slow.....my personal opinion is that you must have at least 1gig ram ...... in order to run in proper condition these cards.......also ..hdd cpu and a good psu

 

[pmr]

by the way my friend ......how`s the weather in Sweden.......in my s**** country is raining now....... 😀

Where's your s**** country? Is it next to mine?

 

[fainis]

what....it`s raining now 8O .....ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh............here cames the sun

 

[darth_farter]

Funnyvlad, I'll warn you once more, I've seen and dealt with this problem in the past already. the other guys are extremely ignorant of your problem!

one !d1ot even compared running a A64 to your system.. well ok let me try to explain to you what your bottlenecks are:

performance under games may indeed be limited to graphics cards, but CPU & bandwith do influence it a lot.

you are running:

SOLTEK SL-85DRV4-C P4X266E SOCKET 478, 5PCI, AGP4X, 533MHZ 3DDR DIMM, AUDIO, ATX, RETAIL BOX
Manufacturer: SOLTEK
Mfg. Part No: SL-85DRV4-C


bad things:
-max 133Mhz fsb for 266MHz DDR speeds instead of 400MHz DDR!

-single channel only instead of dual channel ram operation!

-the 2.8Ghz cpu would be decent if it was a 200mhz fsb cpu, but it runs at celeron fsb speeds which is NOT performance giving at 133x21multi!

-last not least it's VIa's P4X266e chipset... not quite known for it's performance like the i865/i875 Intel chipsets+mem controller...

and some smartass tries to compare this to a winchester3000+ which runs in dual channel, has 400mhz fsb and even an integrated memory controller !



you're basically(!) going to run a x850xt on a celeron with 256kb extra L2 cache and a severely limited motherboard with also slow singlechannel ram.

I say it again, there will hardly be any improvement even if you run a 7800gs agp on it, your low frame dips will still go to2-3 fps and average will also be for 98% the same as under a 6800NU. only the highs may go higher in low activity scenes in your games.

but hey are you going to admire the scenery from a hilltop in farcry or blasting your way in a room full of baddies? that last scenario will NOT improve if you keep running that ram at those speeds and in single channel, let alone less then 1 gigabyte f*#$%@# too

links:

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2004.html?modelx=33&model1=70&model2=42&chart=25
and keep in mind this cpu here has dual channel ram, running quite possibly at 333mhzDDR AND has a better motherboard.

and don't forget that's the difference with the SAME GFX card...

ugh funnyvlad, please do not waste money on a faster gfxcard unlike the others say, there WILL be next to NO improvement on your 4year old system.

funnyvlad, save the money and upgrade the memory, cpu, motherboard and gfx to get a decent to good gaming experience (go either conroe or A64).

my 6600gt scores ~3500 in 3dmark2k5 and thats running a barton.

 

[funnyvlad]

Thanks for that comprehensive answer. I know that I should have changed motherboard at least once since I bought the computer(november 2002). But when I bought it I had 256Mb ram and Gf 4 mx440. Since then I have upraded the amount of memory, changed videocard and upgraded the cpu from 2,4 to 2,8.

I know that those upgrades are small(especially the cpu) The amd FX57 is also running on 2,8Ghz but even a newbie as I can imagine that that cpu is faaaar better than mine not only because the price. The reason that I havent changed mobo is twofold. I am afraid that it is too complicated(not the descrewing, screwing part) cause there is a large amount of possible connections you can make and if you dont do it right then you can easily leave a whole weekend with headache and panic. The second reason is that when I change mobo I have to change cpu, memory(cause I do not want to stuck with ddr266 do I?, propably netaggregate(mine is only 350W) and most propably the graphic card. The fact that my mobo only supports agpx4 is not an issue cause the difference between agp8 and agp4 is so small in reality and there is basically no difference between agp8 and pci-e even though the later are 4 times faster in theory over agp4. In three years there would be a major difference but then I will run a computer on a more flexible system.

As I said earlier I plan to buy a completely new system(early 2007) and believe me I will look for the topnotch mobo so I dont have to upgrade it so fast. The funny thing about mobo is the small price difference between budget and "luxury". A budgetmobo is avaiable for $70-90 in Sweden and the more luxurious one for $200-270. Compare the span between the budget videocard and luxuryvideocard. Its more like between $70 to $700 and if you like the best(SLI, crossfire) then the graphics alone can land on whopping $1400(not to mention that those who put that amount on graphics propably put $1000 on amd fx60. The conclusion is that putting an extra of $130 on a good motherboard is a good investment and that motherboard should be more flexible for cpu-upgrade as well. I am planning tio buy a AMD2 mobo that support ddr2-800 memory and amd fx 62 cpu at least.

 

[funnyvlad]

I just installed the x800GTO with the bundled drivers. It may be old and I will check up newer drivers later. STILL I got a considerable improvement in 3dmark05 even though it is weaker than it could be but cause my system is weak I am satisfied. I got almost 4200p in 3dmark05 which is 35% better than I got with gf6800(3080p). In actual gameplay maybe it is lika 10-20% better which is OK. I am not a hardcore gamer as you must have guessed but I still want to enjoy the game when I am playing which means at least 800x600 high quality wiyhout lagg.

 

[fainis]

download the latest drivers......new games require it
enjoy the game