How big improvement do x800GTO(256) get over gf 6800(128)?

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My computer has this geriatric specs:

Mobo: Soltek SL 85DRV4-C
CPU: P4(533fsb) 2,8Ghz
Memory: 768Mb ddr2100(one slot free)
HD: S Barracuda 7200.7 200Gb(8Mb cache)
GPU: Gigabyte Geforce 6800(128) AGP Silent pipe(no fan)
This specs resulted in modest 3100p in 3dmark05 🙁

I recently bought(ordered) a Powercolor X800GTO(256)AGP. Because my cpu is weak a better agp-card would be overkill due to the bottleneck effect. Both 6800 and x800GTO have 12 pipelines and 256bit technique BUT x800GTO have 475Mhz core(Gf 6800 have 325Mhz). Memory freq is 900Mhz for radeon and only 700Mhz for Geforce. And the total memory is the double of Geforce. On top of that the Powercolorcard have GDDR3 memory and Geforce DDR. Now the question. Does this figures(differences) mean that there will be a considerable improvement?

I forgot to mention that a big reason for buying the Radeoncard was that the Silent pipe solution made it almost impossible to run NFS Most Wanted more than 15 minutes before the card went over 90 degrees C.
 
I Say Dont Waste Your Money On That Radeon Card , Go Get A Arctic Accelero X1 Or NVSilencer 5 Rev 3 , And Your Card`s Temp Will Go Down To 50 , & Spend Your Money For Changing Your Memory , Because Your 3DMark Score Is Too Low For A 6800Card , ( I Had A Leadtek 6800 128 Mb AGP Beforce This & I Got About 3800 Point In 3DMark 2005 )
I Dont Think There Is Much ( Or Any ) Differenc Between 6800 128 & X800GTO ... This Upgrade Is Waste Of Cash ... :evil:
 
Thanks for the answer and suggestion but after I looked around internet I am not sure that I totally agree with you. Gf 6800 is quite better in opengl games like Quake4, Doom3 and riddick but I play CS Source a lot and that game is more radeonfriendly and I have tested HL2 Lost coast demo that was virtually unplayable on Gf 6800 on low settings at 800x600 resolution. If I can manage to play it smoothly on medium resolution at 800x600 then I will be happy.

PS I dont mean that I want to replay the demo HL Lost coast, I mean I ant to play HL Aftermath on medium 800x600 which I cannot with Gf 6800
 
There Must Be Something Wrong With Your System , Because I Had My 6800128Mb For About A Year , I Played Half-Life 2 In 1024x768 Max & 4xAA With No Problem ... Anyone Knows That Any GeForce 6 Or 7 & ATI X800 & Above Can Play Half-Life 2 At Least in 1024x768+4xAA@Max Settings , My Suggestion Is Go Get An Arctic Accelero X1 GPU Cooling & Upgrade Your Memory To 1Gb & Then You Will Be Happy ... Your CPU Is Fine , Your 3DMark Score Shows That Something Is Wrong With That 680 Card !! :evil:
 
I think you´re right that something is wrong with my gf 6800 but I hardly think that an arctic cooling would do much difference except that I will be able to play longer. The memory upgrade is another issue.

I bought an used memorymodule(512Mb) but I got a bluescreen so I bought a new one(still 512Mb) but I still got a bluescreen(after about 5 minutes) I think I have to formate my hard drive to get those memorymodules working.

I hope that teh silent pipe system is easy to uinstall :roll:
Peace
 
It really does sound like you are having ram problems not videocard problems. If you go check out the vga charts you'll see that blowing 200 bucks on a x800gto will only gain you about 1500 points and not too many frames. Like PX said get some good ram at LEAST 1gig and get rid of that bullshit passive cooling. Overclock your card and get a little more life out of it.

Oh and as to the BSofD check your bios settings.
 
I Think You Should Get 1 Gb Of High Quality Memory Insted Of Buying A New VGA , & Like All Mighty Prozac26 Said , This Is Not An Upgrade !! You Are Wasting Your Cash Boy :evil:
 
I don't think that 90C is very good. You could try just rigging up a fan to cool your card.

I think the biggest thing that is holding you back is your memory. Getting some DDR333 or DDR400 memory would help you out. With your current settup you can't be running dual channel and you only have DDR266. Your theoretical memory bandwidth is only 2100 MB/s. If you switched to dual channel DDR333 (PC2700) you would theoretically have 5400 MB/s. If you get DDR400 you could overclock your system with matched memory speed.

I get about 5500 in 3D-05 with:
P4 2.8C (800fsb) @ 3.64GHz
1GB dual Channel DDR400 at DDR416
Sapphire X800GTO unlocked to 16 pipes @ 438core/1056mem.
 
he's running a (4x)133mhz fsb pentium4 northwood A for christ's sake.. of course his 6800 is already cpu/mem-bandwith limited!!!

a 7800gs would probably give no improvement unless it's gfx only load.

and I'd be surprised if that motherboard is even capable of dual channel usage.

the threadstarter should move on to a new system (nothing less then A64 or core duo platform).

I hope next time someone of the commoners could point him out immediately to the more then obvious bottlenecks!!!
 
My computer has this geriatric specs:

Mobo: Soltek SL 85DRV4-C
CPU: P4(533fsb) 2,8Ghz
Memory: 768Mb ddr2100(one slot free)
HD: S Barracuda 7200.7 200Gb(8Mb cache)
GPU: Gigabyte Geforce 6800(128) AGP Silent pipe(no fan)
This specs resulted in modest 3100p in 3dmark05 🙁

I recently bought(ordered) a Powercolor X800GTO(256)AGP. Because my cpu is weak a better agp-card would be overkill due to the bottleneck effect. Both 6800 and x800GTO have 12 pipelines and 256bit technique BUT x800GTO have 475Mhz core(Gf 6800 have 325Mhz). Memory freq is 900Mhz for radeon and only 700Mhz for Geforce. And the total memory is the double of Geforce. On top of that the Powercolorcard have GDDR3 memory and Geforce DDR. Now the question. Does this figures(differences) mean that there will be a considerable improvement?

I forgot to mention that a big reason for buying the Radeoncard was that the Silent pipe solution made it almost impossible to run NFS Most Wanted more than 15 minutes before the card went over 90 degrees C.
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That x800gto will be an improvement, but if I were you, I would go at least for the x850pro to make it worth the upgrade.
And maybe something's wrong with your system, Because I played HL2 1280 2xAA 4AF and CS:S 1280 4XAA 8xAF with no problems in a 6600gt.
 
indeed.....well said...there is no difference between 6800 and x800gto except the fact that the later is 256Mb....same games will benefit from that......same run better on nvidia same on ati..that`s the beauty of it....

it not much of un upgrade ...you better find a good cooler for your 6800......pasive cooler for these cards are a huge mistake indeed..they consume a lot of power........

i must say that i have the same opinion ... there must be samething wrong with your sistem........6800 should run hl2 or other game at at least 1024x768 high settings....your cpu and sistem will not bottleneck you card except for the memory .......

on x800gto gecube/athlon64 3000+/512 ram pc3200 i`ve played hl2 at 1024x768 aa4x all settings high at at least 60 fps..

i think is better if you can find a good cooler and also you can try to supliment your RAM to at least 1Gig
 
6800 should run hl2 or other game at at least 1024x768 high settings....your cpu and sistem will not bottleneck you card except for the memory
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Yes , That Is Exactly What He Should Do ... A New & Good VGA Cooler , Upgrading Memory & Have Fun ... :twisted:
 
my worst memory about heat pipe was with same 6600..if i recall .....most wanted run ok...setting AA to 4x still worked ok..but after few minutes died.....blue screen..bla bla dead ........

and then i had the brilliant ideea to touch the cooler....i must have screamed of pain `couse i think it had 74714682478 degrees.....

pasive coolers for these kind of cards are a bad ideea 😀
 
This is a reply to basically all of you. Wasting my money? Maybe but I can afford it and ´cause I´ve never changed mobo I will propably buy a completely new computer based on AMD:s M2 socket. I plan to do that in march ocr april 2007.

By the way my mobo is quite bad because ddr 266 is the maximum so I if I bought 7800GS it would hardly be an improvement(as one of you wrote). I thought about x850pro but those are still expensive here in Sweden, like 300$. Generally every graphics card is about 20-25% more expensive here than it is in U.S. The top-notch card are often more than 30% expensive than in US.

I am planning to use the x800GTO for about 11 months till I buy a completely new rig. And besides, more than 60% of the time I spend on games is on CS Source which beter benefit from a Radeon card.
 
A quick question?

What is better of these two alternatives when playing for example FEAR?

1) 768Mb DDR3200
2) 1024Mb DDR2100

I would guess the later one



I have found out why I only got about 3060-3090 in 3dmark05
THose two articles says that by mistake Gigabyte shipped the card with only 8 instead of 12 pipelines. To get those 4 extra pipelines I need to reflash my bios. The big question is how can I do that. More pathetic is that I have used this passive cooling card for 10 months without noticing that it was weaker than it should be. I always thought my cpu was limiting it but when I upgraded my cpu from 2,4 to 2,8 I couldnt see any difference except it was even 30-40 3dmark points weaker!!!

article 1 http://www.cooltechzone.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=696&Itemid=0

article 2 http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=719
 
By the way my mobo is quite bad because ddr 266 is the maximum
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That`s Foolish , Cause You Don`t Act Sweet !! There Isn`t Much Difference Between DDR400 & DDR266 , You WILL GET a Better Performance If You Upgrade To 1Gb DDr 266 & Buy A VERY GOOD GRAPHIC CARD COOLER ... :twisted: I Still Say You Are Wasting You ****ing Money Man :evil:
 
By the way my mobo is quite bad because ddr 266 is the maximum
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That`s Foolish , Cause You Don`t Act Sweet !! There Isn`t Much Difference Between DDR400 & DDR266 , You WILL GET a Better Performance If You Upgrade To 1Gb DDr 266 & Buy A VERY GOOD GRAPHIC CARD COOLER ... :twisted: I Still Say You Are Wasting You ****ing Money Man :evil:

You are very hot headed (pardon the pun). If he wants to spend his money that way, that's fine with me. I don't like threads where people want other people to tell them how to spend THEIR OWN money.
 
You may not need to reflash your bios to unlock the pipes. I don't have a 6800 but I have heard that you can use Rivatuner to do it. You might find this link useful: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=1500237

If Rivatuner can't help you here is a guide to flashing the bios on a video card: http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/34

If you can unlock the 6800's pipes and keep it reasonably cool I, personally would not bother spending the money on changing to an X800GTO because it wouldn't be worth the extra money. If you can't unlock it, the X800GTO might be worth it.

I have an AGP Sapphire X800GTO unlocked to 16 pipes (X800XL specs). Mine is clocked a little different than the one you are looking at.
 
thanks for the tip. I will see what I am going to do. But if my gf 6800 is stuck on low 3100 3dmark05 then the x800gto will be an improvement(casue otherwise I am stuck with a "6800LE"). I know that I could bought a 60$ cooler or something but I am not very handy person and I am afraid of overclocking because if I mess up then the warranty is gone(talk about moneywaste).

Another question that I cannot find an answer too. The gf 6800 that I have now has only ddr-memory on the chip instead of the more modern gddr3-memory. Is there a significate difference between those two?

PS - I have already ordered the GTO-card. Stupid as I am I did that BEFORE I started this topic. But I still havent got the card and I can sell it on a swedish form of ebay if I want and if I put the 6800 together. I will loose a couple of bucks but it doesnt matter. People learn from their mistakes and I will be more patient in the future before buying computerstuff. You have to admit that it´s a jungle of different letters after the gpu-models? You have to be a nerd to know excactly the difference between LE,SE,PRO,XL,XT,XTX,ULTRA,GT,GS,GTO etc...but I like to be a nerd 😛 a bit :wink:
 
As long as you have already ordered the X800, you might just want to use it and sell the 6800 instead. It kind of depends on whether or not you want to try to unlock the 6800. The X800GTO has prospects for overclocking and unlocking but to unlock them you have to flash the bios. There is no RivaTuner option for ATI cards.
 
there is a huge difference between ddr and ddr3 ..as a matter of fact this makes the difference (beside other things) between a shiety card and a high end one............

i agree with you..in most countries...except us...the cards the high end cards are very expensive.....in my country you can find for example x850pro at same 300 dolars plus taxes.........


as for the memory amount (sistem RAM) you better have as much as posible ...over 1024gig for modern sistems and games......i`ll give you one example......i`ve played call of duty 2 with a modern card everything went perfectly..the game was perfect...quick loading of the scenes (arround the corners)....that was with 1024gig...but when i restarted with 512 the same sistem the same card etc...the game was allmost imposible to play....so as much ram as posible my friend

i currently play battlefield 2 all details to the max AA4x 1280x1024...the game works perfectly (arround 60 fps) with 1024RAM.....the game has a requirement of 2gig ..so it`s to the limit....it takes arround 10 seconds ..after the game is loaded....for the hdd to stop loading and the the game works smooth.....i recon is imposible to play hat game with less memory amount...and that`s only the RAM....the video card must be strong.....otherwise....... :?
 
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