How do I adjust monitor color in Windows? New monitor is p..

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On Sun, 08 May 2005 06:29:18 +1000, Elly Byrne <elly@eebee.net.noway> wrote:

>Right click an empty spot on the desktop.
>Click Properties
>Click settings
>Is there a color setting now?
>High color or True color etc.
>

I have it set to 32 bit color.

>
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>DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 06 May 2005 09:49:10 -0400, Mikey <Not_Here@Not_There_Either.nope> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm using Windows 95b. There is a way to make the color more red or whatever you want. I
>>>> remember there is a way to save more than one setting. There is no adjusment on the
>>>> monitor itself to do this. The monitor is an HP mx705. It's a Dell PC. I forgot how to
>>>> make these adjustments and had no luck with Google.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>Click on Start, then go into Settings, then Control Panel. Double click on the Display
>>>icon. Is there a tab in the box that opens for color? That's where you would be able to
>>>change the color properties.
>>
>>I don't see a tab like that. When I was able to adjust the color I had a different hard
>>disk. I'm starting to wonder if the problem is with the drivers I'm using. They may be
>>different from the ones I had on the other hard disk. Thanks.

 

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Jess wrote:

> "Tanya" <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:427D8CEA.31C39417@attglobal.net...
> > DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 07 May 2005 12:26:00 -0400, Tanya
> <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I'm using Windows 95b. There is a way to make the color more red or
> whatever you want. I
> > > >> remember there is a way to save more than one setting. There is no
> adjusment on the
> > > >> monitor itself to do this. The monitor is an HP mx705. It's a Dell
> PC. I forgot how to
> > > >> make these adjustments and had no luck with Google.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >hi,
> > > >have you tried the new monitor on another machine?
> > >
> > > No.
> >
> > if it is not too inconvenient you should try it!
> >
> > >
> > > >and
> > > >have you tried your old monitor on the dell again?
> > >
> > > No. The old monitor would switch back and forth between looking fine and
> having a red tint
> > > to everything. The new monitor hasn't done this at all so I am
> reasonable sure the problem
> > > was with the old monitor.
> >
> > since you have 2 *abnormal* monitors -- the video card could be off......
> perhaps you can reseat
> > it?
> >
> > > >and
> > > >do you have display properties at all?
> > > >(control panel-> display ->dbl click)
> > > >what options do you have-- any?
> > >
> > > Background, screen saver, appearance and settings.
> > >
> > > >and if you right click the desktop and choose properties?
> > >
> > > It's the same screen.
> > >
> > > >if you have an option to increase resolution try it...
> > > >
> > >
> > > Not a bad thought but I don't want higher resolution, 600 x 800 is good
> for a 17" monitor.
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > just to see whether the monitor is capable of anything.....
> >
> >
> > when you choose settings, what options do you have?
> > there should be an 'advanced' bottom at the bottom right....you should
> have the color? do you?
> > if you have that option, raise (or lower) color to high color 16 bits.
> > i assume that you have made certain that the monitor is SECURELY attached
> to pc.
>
> AND there are no broken pins!

yes a broken pin........

also here are two unLikely longShots:
1. is there by any chance a protective *film* on the monitor??? (i have received
new monitors with a covering film (like a plastic) however it is usually pretty
obvious...)
2. or have you tried cleaning (a part of) it?
(just 2 unlikely possibilities...)

 

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DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
> I'm using Windows 95b. There is a way to make the color more red or whatever you want. I
> remember there is a way to save more than one setting. There is no adjusment on the
> monitor itself to do this. The monitor is an HP mx705. It's a Dell PC. I forgot how to
> make these adjustments and had no luck with Google.
>
> Thanks.

If, after updating the video driver and installing the monitor driver,
you still have trouble, take the bloody monitor back to the dealer. The
monitor is defective if the colors are washed out looking with the
proper drivers. Quit whining and do something about it.

Why are you still running Win95? It's not supported by anyone.

 

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On Sat, 7 May 2005 23:05:33 -0400, "ZX Racer" <ZXRacer@TheTrack.com> wrote:



Why are you using two names, arnie? That's what trolls do.



>
><DaveJohnson12@nomail.> wrote in message
>news:hcuq711qljthjklrr6lhf6desuk4t90k49@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 7 May 2005 16:22:22 -0400, "arnie" <arnie@hubbabubba.com> wrote:
>>
>> >for chirst's sake will you just go out and buy a quality monitor!
>>
>> That's a good idea.
>>
>> > they
>> >exist so get off your duff and look. you've writtten books in here about
>> >this no brain decision.
>>
>> I looked at 7 or 8 CRT monitors and picked the best one. As I said there
>isn't much of a
>> selection available.
>
>Well then stop whining and settle for mediocrity unless you want to do your
>research and buy from a reputable dealer on the web. There are several of
>them. www.newegg.com is a local favorite.
>

Stop whining about my whining. I know newegg has a good reputation. That is no help unless
they are selling something I want to buy. Also buying a monitor without first seeing it is
a bad idea and if you have to return it to an online company then you pay for shipping
twice and there may be a restocking fee.

>
>> > for somebody mired in a ten year old OS (Win95b?!,
>>
>> It's only 7 years old. I bought it in '98. ;-)
>
>Great, it was obsolete when bought it. Like them bargains huh?!

It was the newest OS when I bought it. You aren't too bright are you?

>
>> >barf!) you are spending far too much time agonizing over this.
>> >
>> >and load the damn drivers for the monitor like you're supposed to!
>>
>> For what purpose? Several people have told me I don't need them and they
>gave good
>> reasons.
>
>Gee, you think these monitor manufacturers give you this stuff because its
>useless? It provides information to the OS and video system. If you had a
>new OS that came with the drivers loaded then no issue. But you have a
>dinosaur that was written 10 years before your mointor was built. Last I
>knew, W95 wasn't telepathic! Please read up on it before believing
>everything you read on the web.
>

You first. You haven't said anything to support your statement that the OS has anything to
do with it or that drivers would fix the problem.

I didn't say drivers were useless. Drivers won't fix the color problem, that's not what
they are intended for. Several people in this group have told me that and they told me the
reasons.The fact that my old monitor worked fine without any drivers supports this. I've
also switched monitors with computers several times with no problem. It's a common trouble
shooting technique and doesn't require drivers with CRTs.

>
>> > and the
>> >latest video card drivers too!
>>
>> As I said, I have them.
>
>Right... And how old is that video card? Could it also be heading south on
>you?

I already explained why I know the graphics card is working properly.

>
>> > though given the state of the art system you
>> >got there who knows if a decent monitor will want to be seen with you!
>> >
>>
>> Based on what you've written, you know nothing. Did you name a single high
>quality CRT
>> brand and model? No.
>
>Got a great Samsung LCD.

Isn't that special.

> I don't buy monitors anymore so you're going to
>have to do your own research. There are still decent ones out there. But
>why buy an HP that's a retag of some China knockoff? What do you expect?

I did not ask you to do any research. You think a Korean knockoff is any better than a
Chinese one? Samsung has a bad reputation. If you got a good Samsung product it could be
just dumb luck. Very dumb.

>
>> "Just get a good monitor."
>> "Install the monitor drivers that you don't need and that require an OS
>you don't have."
>> "Look for a good monitor."
>> "Get the video card drivers you already have."
>>
>> Thanks for the valuable advice, Einstein.
>
>You're rather clueless so I doubt any amount of advice, even from Einstein,
>will help you.

Well then advice from an angry, name changing dope like you certainly won't.

> Why don't you just wait until Dell is running a special that
>involves one of their 17"Ultrasharp LCDs on a 4700 and then go for it. Your
>system is so archaic it is ridiculous to put any money into it. I saw
>better systems in the heap at the recycle drive today!

A monitor can be used with any computer.

"Buy a new computer. Don't buy a monitor and use it with a computer that works fine."

You are soooo smart.

 

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yup, you know it all bucko! the topper is you're whining about the color on
a new monitor after ignoring the manufacturers instructions to load the
monitor drivers. windows default drivers are being used. ever here the
phrase, "lowest common denominator"? and not just today's lowest common
denominator, but the lowest common denominator TEN YEARS AGO. i got some
ancient monitors lying around here i'll sell you since you seem to like old
stuff!


<DaveJohnson12@nomail.> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 7 May 2005 23:05:33 -0400, "ZX Racer" <ZXRacer@TheTrack.com>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Why are you using two names, arnie? That's what trolls do.
>
>
>
> >
> ><DaveJohnson12@nomail.> wrote in message
> >news:hcuq711qljthjklrr6lhf6desuk4t90k49@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 7 May 2005 16:22:22 -0400, "arnie" <arnie@hubbabubba.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >> >for chirst's sake will you just go out and buy a quality monitor!
> >>
> >> That's a good idea.
> >>
> >> > they
> >> >exist so get off your duff and look. you've writtten books in here
about
> >> >this no brain decision.
> >>
> >> I looked at 7 or 8 CRT monitors and picked the best one. As I said
there
> >isn't much of a
> >> selection available.
> >
> >Well then stop whining and settle for mediocrity unless you want to do
your
> >research and buy from a reputable dealer on the web. There are several
of
> >them. www.newegg.com is a local favorite.
> >
>
> Stop whining about my whining. I know newegg has a good reputation. That
is no help unless
> they are selling something I want to buy. Also buying a monitor without
first seeing it is
> a bad idea and if you have to return it to an online company then you pay
for shipping
> twice and there may be a restocking fee.
>
> >
> >> > for somebody mired in a ten year old OS (Win95b?!,
> >>
> >> It's only 7 years old. I bought it in '98. ;-)
> >
> >Great, it was obsolete when bought it. Like them bargains huh?!
>
> It was the newest OS when I bought it. You aren't too bright are you?
>
> >
> >> >barf!) you are spending far too much time agonizing over this.
> >> >
> >> >and load the damn drivers for the monitor like you're supposed to!
> >>
> >> For what purpose? Several people have told me I don't need them and
they
> >gave good
> >> reasons.
> >
> >Gee, you think these monitor manufacturers give you this stuff because
its
> >useless? It provides information to the OS and video system. If you had
a
> >new OS that came with the drivers loaded then no issue. But you have a
> >dinosaur that was written 10 years before your mointor was built. Last I
> >knew, W95 wasn't telepathic! Please read up on it before believing
> >everything you read on the web.
> >
>
> You first. You haven't said anything to support your statement that the OS
has anything to
> do with it or that drivers would fix the problem.
>
> I didn't say drivers were useless. Drivers won't fix the color problem,
that's not what
> they are intended for. Several people in this group have told me that and
they told me the
> reasons.The fact that my old monitor worked fine without any drivers
supports this. I've
> also switched monitors with computers several times with no problem. It's
a common trouble
> shooting technique and doesn't require drivers with CRTs.
>
> >
> >> > and the
> >> >latest video card drivers too!
> >>
> >> As I said, I have them.
> >
> >Right... And how old is that video card? Could it also be heading south
on
> >you?
>
> I already explained why I know the graphics card is working properly.
>
> >
> >> > though given the state of the art system you
> >> >got there who knows if a decent monitor will want to be seen with you!
> >> >
> >>
> >> Based on what you've written, you know nothing. Did you name a single
high
> >quality CRT
> >> brand and model? No.
> >
> >Got a great Samsung LCD.
>
> Isn't that special.
>
> > I don't buy monitors anymore so you're going to
> >have to do your own research. There are still decent ones out there.
But
> >why buy an HP that's a retag of some China knockoff? What do you expect?
>
> I did not ask you to do any research. You think a Korean knockoff is any
better than a
> Chinese one? Samsung has a bad reputation. If you got a good Samsung
product it could be
> just dumb luck. Very dumb.
>
> >
> >> "Just get a good monitor."
> >> "Install the monitor drivers that you don't need and that require an OS
> >you don't have."
> >> "Look for a good monitor."
> >> "Get the video card drivers you already have."
> >>
> >> Thanks for the valuable advice, Einstein.
> >
> >You're rather clueless so I doubt any amount of advice, even from
Einstein,
> >will help you.
>
> Well then advice from an angry, name changing dope like you certainly
won't.
>
> > Why don't you just wait until Dell is running a special that
> >involves one of their 17"Ultrasharp LCDs on a 4700 and then go for it.
Your
> >system is so archaic it is ridiculous to put any money into it. I saw
> >better systems in the heap at the recycle drive today!
>
> A monitor can be used with any computer.
>
> "Buy a new computer. Don't buy a monitor and use it with a computer that
works fine."
>
> You are soooo smart.

 

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On Sun, 08 May 2005 03:04:46 GMT, ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote:

>As always, the mass market stores sell low-priced junk, even with a name brand
>on it. The mass market stores and the name brand companies figure they can sell
>schlock to the masses... Ben Myers

I believe you. There doesn't seem to be much of an alternative unless I know of a good
monitor and buy it from an online company. I found 3 aperature grille monitors on the
sites of Viewsonic, and Mitsubishi/NEC but no one is selling them. They might be
discontinued models. With no recent CRT reviews and nothing good to look at in stores it's
not easy finding a good model.

Maybe I'll look for some other stores that aren't the big national chains. PC Connection
used to have stores. Maybe I can find something similar.

>
>On Sun, 08 May 2005 02:29:52 GMT, DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 May 2005 11:04:05 -0700, Ghostrider <-00-@fitron.142> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 07 May 2005 01:59:00 GMT, ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Honestly, I would not buy any computer or monitor with the HP brand name on it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Me neither but it was the best CRT I could find in a store. There's very little selection.
>>>
>>>
>>>In a store and not bundled with a system, the more common
>>>monitor brands such as ViewSonic, NEC, etc., should ranked
>>>significantly better than HP. Of course, one thing to always
>>>do with monitors is to test their suitability not under store
>>>lighting but in the actual work environment. And if the store
>>>does not carry name-brand monitors, find the stores that do.
>>
>>Finding them is the hard part. I've seen Viewsonics and NECs that were not at all good.
>>The Viewsonic that the chains (CompUSA and PC Richard) are selling now is not a good
>>monitor, blurry text and colors don't look right. I've seen NECs with blurry text, brand
>>new. Thanks.

 

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On Sat, 07 May 2005 23:52:10 -0400, Tanya <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:

>DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 07 May 2005 12:26:00 -0400, Tanya <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm using Windows 95b. There is a way to make the color more red or whatever you want. I
>> >> remember there is a way to save more than one setting. There is no adjusment on the
>> >> monitor itself to do this. The monitor is an HP mx705. It's a Dell PC. I forgot how to
>> >> make these adjustments and had no luck with Google.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >
>> >hi,
>> >have you tried the new monitor on another machine?
>>
>> No.
>
>if it is not too inconvenient you should try it!
>
>>
>> >and
>> >have you tried your old monitor on the dell again?
>>
>> No. The old monitor would switch back and forth between looking fine and having a red tint
>> to everything. The new monitor hasn't done this at all so I am reasonable sure the problem
>> was with the old monitor.
>
>since you have 2 *abnormal* monitors -- the video card could be off...... perhaps you can reseat
>it?
>

It seems unlikely. The problem with the old monitor was the color would switch back and
forth between everything being purple and looking the way it should look. It also had dark
horizontal lines, not the kind that all aperture grille monitors have. The new monitor has
nothing like that. Also a knowledgable person here and some other people have told me that
these are symptoms of an old monitor that's on the way out.

>> >and
>> >do you have display properties at all?
>> >(control panel-> display ->dbl click)
>> >what options do you have-- any?
>>
>> Background, screen saver, appearance and settings.
>>
>> >and if you right click the desktop and choose properties?
>>
>> It's the same screen.
>>
>> >if you have an option to increase resolution try it...
>> >
>>
>> Not a bad thought but I don't want higher resolution, 600 x 800 is good for a 17" monitor.
>> Thanks.
>
>just to see whether the monitor is capable of anything.....

I tried the next higher resolution, 1024x768. There was no improvement.

>
>when you choose settings, what options do you have?

Font size, color pallette, i.e. 32 bits, etc. and resolution.

>there should be an 'advanced' bottom at the bottom right....you should have the color? do you?

The advanced button doesn't show me a tab for color admustment and the tabs don't have
anything on them for adjusting color.

>if you have that option, raise (or lower) color to high color 16 bits.

I have the color set to 32 bits. I tried the 16 bit color and it does not help.

>i assume that you have made certain that the monitor is SECURELY attached to pc.

Yes. Thank you.

 

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On Sun, 08 May 2005 13:53:17 -0400, Tanya <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:

>Jess wrote:
>
>> "Tanya" <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:427D8CEA.31C39417@attglobal.net...
>> > DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Sat, 07 May 2005 12:26:00 -0400, Tanya
>> <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> I'm using Windows 95b. There is a way to make the color more red or
>> whatever you want. I
>> > > >> remember there is a way to save more than one setting. There is no
>> adjusment on the
>> > > >> monitor itself to do this. The monitor is an HP mx705. It's a Dell
>> PC. I forgot how to
>> > > >> make these adjustments and had no luck with Google.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Thanks.
>> > > >
>> > > >hi,
>> > > >have you tried the new monitor on another machine?
>> > >
>> > > No.
>> >
>> > if it is not too inconvenient you should try it!
>> >
>> > >
>> > > >and
>> > > >have you tried your old monitor on the dell again?
>> > >
>> > > No. The old monitor would switch back and forth between looking fine and
>> having a red tint
>> > > to everything. The new monitor hasn't done this at all so I am
>> reasonable sure the problem
>> > > was with the old monitor.
>> >
>> > since you have 2 *abnormal* monitors -- the video card could be off......
>> perhaps you can reseat
>> > it?
>> >
>> > > >and
>> > > >do you have display properties at all?
>> > > >(control panel-> display ->dbl click)
>> > > >what options do you have-- any?
>> > >
>> > > Background, screen saver, appearance and settings.
>> > >
>> > > >and if you right click the desktop and choose properties?
>> > >
>> > > It's the same screen.
>> > >
>> > > >if you have an option to increase resolution try it...
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Not a bad thought but I don't want higher resolution, 600 x 800 is good
>> for a 17" monitor.
>> > > Thanks.
>> >
>> > just to see whether the monitor is capable of anything.....
>> >
>> >
>> > when you choose settings, what options do you have?
>> > there should be an 'advanced' bottom at the bottom right....you should
>> have the color? do you?
>> > if you have that option, raise (or lower) color to high color 16 bits.
>> > i assume that you have made certain that the monitor is SECURELY attached
>> to pc.
>>
>> AND there are no broken pins!
>
>yes a broken pin........
>
>also here are two unLikely longShots:
>1. is there by any chance a protective *film* on the monitor??? (i have received
>new monitors with a covering film (like a plastic) however it is usually pretty
>obvious...)
>2. or have you tried cleaning (a part of) it?
>(just 2 unlikely possibilities...)
>
>

It's clean, no coating or broken pins. Thanks.

 

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DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:

>>Right click an empty spot on the desktop.
>>Click Properties
>>Click settings
>>Is there a color setting now?
>>High color or True color etc.
>>
>
>I have it set to 32 bit color.

Try one of the other settings and see what happens.


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On Mon, 09 May 2005 06:10:07 +1000, Elly Byrne <elly@eebee.net.noway> wrote:

>DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>
>>>Right click an empty spot on the desktop.
>>>Click Properties
>>>Click settings
>>>Is there a color setting now?
>>>High color or True color etc.
>>>
>>
>>I have it set to 32 bit color.
>
>Try one of the other settings and see what happens.
>

I did. No improvement.

>
>Elly's Tinnitus Resources
>http://eebee.net/

 

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On Mon, 9 May 2005 00:58:07 -0400, "ZX Racer" <ZXRacer@TheTrack.com>
wrote:

>yup, you know it all bucko! the topper is you're whining about the color on
>a new monitor after ignoring the manufacturers instructions to load the
>monitor drivers. windows default drivers are being used. ever here the
>phrase, "lowest common denominator"? and not just today's lowest common
>denominator, but the lowest common denominator TEN YEARS AGO. i got some
>ancient monitors lying around here i'll sell you since you seem to like old
>stuff!
>
CRT monitors do not have drivers. There are inf files which tell
Windows what are the appropriate settings (limits) for the CRT
monitor. Video cards need drivers - the monitor then just "follows
along".

>
><DaveJohnson12@nomail.> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 7 May 2005 23:05:33 -0400, "ZX Racer" <ZXRacer@TheTrack.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Why are you using two names, arnie? That's what trolls do.
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> ><DaveJohnson12@nomail.> wrote in message
>> >news:hcuq711qljthjklrr6lhf6desuk4t90k49@4ax.com...
>> >> On Sat, 7 May 2005 16:22:22 -0400, "arnie" <arnie@hubbabubba.com>
>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >for chirst's sake will you just go out and buy a quality monitor!
>> >>
>> >> That's a good idea.
>> >>
>> >> > they
>> >> >exist so get off your duff and look. you've writtten books in here
>about
>> >> >this no brain decision.
>> >>
>> >> I looked at 7 or 8 CRT monitors and picked the best one. As I said
>there
>> >isn't much of a
>> >> selection available.
>> >
>> >Well then stop whining and settle for mediocrity unless you want to do
>your
>> >research and buy from a reputable dealer on the web. There are several
>of
>> >them. www.newegg.com is a local favorite.
>> >
>>
>> Stop whining about my whining. I know newegg has a good reputation. That
>is no help unless
>> they are selling something I want to buy. Also buying a monitor without
>first seeing it is
>> a bad idea and if you have to return it to an online company then you pay
>for shipping
>> twice and there may be a restocking fee.
>>
>> >
>> >> > for somebody mired in a ten year old OS (Win95b?!,
>> >>
>> >> It's only 7 years old. I bought it in '98. ;-)
>> >
>> >Great, it was obsolete when bought it. Like them bargains huh?!
>>
>> It was the newest OS when I bought it. You aren't too bright are you?
>>
>> >
>> >> >barf!) you are spending far too much time agonizing over this.
>> >> >
>> >> >and load the damn drivers for the monitor like you're supposed to!
>> >>
>> >> For what purpose? Several people have told me I don't need them and
>they
>> >gave good
>> >> reasons.
>> >
>> >Gee, you think these monitor manufacturers give you this stuff because
>its
>> >useless? It provides information to the OS and video system. If you had
>a
>> >new OS that came with the drivers loaded then no issue. But you have a
>> >dinosaur that was written 10 years before your mointor was built. Last I
>> >knew, W95 wasn't telepathic! Please read up on it before believing
>> >everything you read on the web.
>> >
>>
>> You first. You haven't said anything to support your statement that the OS
>has anything to
>> do with it or that drivers would fix the problem.
>>
>> I didn't say drivers were useless. Drivers won't fix the color problem,
>that's not what
>> they are intended for. Several people in this group have told me that and
>they told me the
>> reasons.The fact that my old monitor worked fine without any drivers
>supports this. I've
>> also switched monitors with computers several times with no problem. It's
>a common trouble
>> shooting technique and doesn't require drivers with CRTs.
>>
>> >
>> >> > and the
>> >> >latest video card drivers too!
>> >>
>> >> As I said, I have them.
>> >
>> >Right... And how old is that video card? Could it also be heading south
>on
>> >you?
>>
>> I already explained why I know the graphics card is working properly.
>>
>> >
>> >> > though given the state of the art system you
>> >> >got there who knows if a decent monitor will want to be seen with you!
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Based on what you've written, you know nothing. Did you name a single
>high
>> >quality CRT
>> >> brand and model? No.
>> >
>> >Got a great Samsung LCD.
>>
>> Isn't that special.
>>
>> > I don't buy monitors anymore so you're going to
>> >have to do your own research. There are still decent ones out there.
>But
>> >why buy an HP that's a retag of some China knockoff? What do you expect?
>>
>> I did not ask you to do any research. You think a Korean knockoff is any
>better than a
>> Chinese one? Samsung has a bad reputation. If you got a good Samsung
>product it could be
>> just dumb luck. Very dumb.
>>
>> >
>> >> "Just get a good monitor."
>> >> "Install the monitor drivers that you don't need and that require an OS
>> >you don't have."
>> >> "Look for a good monitor."
>> >> "Get the video card drivers you already have."
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the valuable advice, Einstein.
>> >
>> >You're rather clueless so I doubt any amount of advice, even from
>Einstein,
>> >will help you.
>>
>> Well then advice from an angry, name changing dope like you certainly
>won't.
>>
>> > Why don't you just wait until Dell is running a special that
>> >involves one of their 17"Ultrasharp LCDs on a 4700 and then go for it.
>Your
>> >system is so archaic it is ridiculous to put any money into it. I saw
>> >better systems in the heap at the recycle drive today!
>>
>> A monitor can be used with any computer.
>>
>> "Buy a new computer. Don't buy a monitor and use it with a computer that
>works fine."
>>
>> You are soooo smart.
>

 

[arnie]

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> CRT monitors do not have drivers. There are inf files which tell
> Windows what are the appropriate settings (limits) for the CRT
> monitor. Video cards need drivers - the monitor then just "follows
> along".

everybody refers to them as monitor drivers so I do to.
btw did you ever notice boot disks don't look like a boot either? ;-)

 

[tanya]

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DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:

> On Sun, 08 May 2005 13:53:17 -0400, Tanya <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >Jess wrote:
> >
> >> "Tanya" <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> news:427D8CEA.31C39417@attglobal.net...
> >> > DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Sat, 07 May 2005 12:26:00 -0400, Tanya
> >> <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> I'm using Windows 95b. There is a way to make the color more red or
> >> whatever you want. I
> >> > > >> remember there is a way to save more than one setting. There is no
> >> adjusment on the
> >> > > >> monitor itself to do this. The monitor is an HP mx705. It's a Dell
> >> PC. I forgot how to
> >> > > >> make these adjustments and had no luck with Google.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Thanks.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >hi,
> >> > > >have you tried the new monitor on another machine?
> >> > >
> >> > > No.
> >> >
> >> > if it is not too inconvenient you should try it!
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > >and
> >> > > >have you tried your old monitor on the dell again?
> >> > >
> >> > > No. The old monitor would switch back and forth between looking fine and
> >> having a red tint
> >> > > to everything. The new monitor hasn't done this at all so I am
> >> reasonable sure the problem
> >> > > was with the old monitor.
> >> >
> >> > since you have 2 *abnormal* monitors -- the video card could be off......
> >> perhaps you can reseat
> >> > it?
> >> >
> >> > > >and
> >> > > >do you have display properties at all?
> >> > > >(control panel-> display ->dbl click)
> >> > > >what options do you have-- any?
> >> > >
> >> > > Background, screen saver, appearance and settings.
> >> > >
> >> > > >and if you right click the desktop and choose properties?
> >> > >
> >> > > It's the same screen.
> >> > >
> >> > > >if you have an option to increase resolution try it...
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Not a bad thought but I don't want higher resolution, 600 x 800 is good
> >> for a 17" monitor.
> >> > > Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > just to see whether the monitor is capable of anything.....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > when you choose settings, what options do you have?
> >> > there should be an 'advanced' bottom at the bottom right....you should
> >> have the color? do you?
> >> > if you have that option, raise (or lower) color to high color 16 bits.
> >> > i assume that you have made certain that the monitor is SECURELY attached
> >> to pc.
> >>
> >> AND there are no broken pins!
> >
> >yes a broken pin........
> >
> >also here are two unLikely longShots:
> >1. is there by any chance a protective *film* on the monitor??? (i have received
> >new monitors with a covering film (like a plastic) however it is usually pretty
> >obvious...)
> >2. or have you tried cleaning (a part of) it?
> >(just 2 unlikely possibilities...)
> >
> >
>
> It's clean, no coating or broken pins. Thanks.

hi
i agree with Jerry (below) that it is a video card driver issue.....
i had similar with a great monitor (still have it) and a win95 pc after reloading
windows 95b:
the colors were faded (desktop, any program etc...) and there were minimal if any
options and none to adjust it... (in display properties)
i had to <?upDate?> reinstall the drivers and this fixed it!

also you should reseat your video card (older video cards might require this at
times....)
and
as far as monitor drivers: i sometimes use a mac (apple) monitor with win95/98 pcs
with no problem at all (i don't think that older windows versions come with mac
monitor drivers...could be wrong...)

fwiw, i would still be curious how the monitor functions on another pc;

i'd do the above BEFORE returning the monitor
sincerely
Tanya

 

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On Mon, 9 May 2005 00:58:07 -0400, "ZX Racer" <ZXRacer@TheTrack.com> wrote:

>yup, you know it all bucko!

No irony there, Arnie/ZXRacer.

> the topper is you're whining about the color on
>a new monitor after ignoring the manufacturers instructions to load the
>monitor drivers.

Wah Mommy, the bad man doesn't want to take advice from an obnoxious, arrogant, name
changing ignoramus.

http://www.sony-cp.com/en/support/faq/

Are Sony monitors compatible with all graphics cards?
All current Sony monitors are Multiscan products. There is no one exact frequency
required for any resolution. In general, we STRONGLY recommend using VESA timings,
because Sony monitors operate properly in that mode. However, if these timings are not
useful, all our monitors will operate within a wide range of frequencies. Furthermore,
please check in the Specifications paragraph of the user's manual for the recommended
resolution.

***** A common misconception is that there are monitor drivers for video cards. This
is little more than a file containing a list of scan frequencies and resolutions.


MUAHAHAHAHAHAAH!

What do they know? They only make monitors. Now you should admit you're a dummy who
doesn't know what he is talking about and STFU.


> windows default drivers are being used. ever here the
>phrase, "lowest common denominator"? and not just today's lowest common
>denominator, but the lowest common denominator TEN YEARS AGO. i got some
>ancient monitors lying around here i'll sell you since you seem to like old
>stuff!
>

"My monitor is better than your monitor." Next you'll tell me your father can beat up my
father.

Don't you have anything better to do like racing around the living room?
<zoom zoom> I'm ZX Racer. <neeeerrrrrroooooooohhhuuuuuu>

 

[arnie]

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<DaveJohnson12@nomail.> wrote in message
news:6dc08196vob004lsta2r49j9921png49dm@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 9 May 2005 00:58:07 -0400, "ZX Racer" <ZXRacer@TheTrack.com>
wrote:
>
> >yup, you know it all bucko!
>
> No irony there, Arnie/ZXRacer.
>
> > the topper is you're whining about the color on
> >a new monitor after ignoring the manufacturers instructions to load the
> >monitor drivers.
>
> Wah Mommy, the bad man doesn't want to take advice from an obnoxious,
arrogant, name
> changing ignoramus.
>
> http://www.sony-cp.com/en/support/faq/
>
> Are Sony monitors compatible with all graphics cards?
> All current Sony monitors are Multiscan products. There is no one exact
frequency
> required for any resolution. In general, we STRONGLY recommend using VESA
timings,
> because Sony monitors operate properly in that mode. However, if these
timings are not
> useful, all our monitors will operate within a wide range of frequencies.
Furthermore,
> please check in the Specifications paragraph of the user's manual for the
recommended
> resolution.
>
> ***** A common misconception is that there are monitor drivers for video
cards. This
> is little more than a file containing a list of scan frequencies and
resolutions.
>
>
> MUAHAHAHAHAHAAH!
>
> What do they know? They only make monitors. Now you should admit you're a
dummy who
> doesn't know what he is talking about and STFU.
>
>
> > windows default drivers are being used. ever here the
> >phrase, "lowest common denominator"? and not just today's lowest common
> >denominator, but the lowest common denominator TEN YEARS AGO. i got some
> >ancient monitors lying around here i'll sell you since you seem to like
old
> >stuff!
> >
>
> "My monitor is better than your monitor." Next you'll tell me your father
can beat up my
> father.
>
> Don't you have anything better to do like racing around the living room?
> <zoom zoom> I'm ZX Racer. <neeeerrrrrroooooooohhhuuuuuu>

I don't give a flyin' f*&% what you do or don't do. You're the idiot with a
problem. All my monitors work just fine! Nice beeeauuuutiful displays.

But what seems to be your basic aversion to follow the instructions from the
manufacturer of the equipment you just bought? Especially when you don't
like what you see on the monitor? I guess you know better than them about
their equipment? Dolts like you are why they invented the RTFM acronym.

Now for God's sake go buy a decent monitor (a monochrome would fit nicely
with that dinosaur), a decent video card, a decent system, a decent OS and
follow installation directions and spare us the whining. Or are you gonna
be back here next decade with this dinosaur complaining that you can't get
your ISA modem to work?!

 

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On Mon, 9 May 2005 16:59:56 -0400, "arnie" <arnie@hubbabubba.com>
wrote:

>> CRT monitors do not have drivers. There are inf files which tell
>> Windows what are the appropriate settings (limits) for the CRT
>> monitor. Video cards need drivers - the monitor then just "follows
>> along".
>
>everybody refers to them as monitor drivers so I do to.
>btw did you ever notice boot disks don't look like a boot either? ;-)
>
Well not everybody as I don't :<P Point is you need a driver for a
video card to work at its full potential; you don't need a monitor
"driver" as you can set the monitor parameters without it - the inf
file is helpful but not essential

 

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On Mon, 09 May 2005 17:54:13 -0400, Tanya <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:

>DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 08 May 2005 13:53:17 -0400, Tanya <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Jess wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Tanya" <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:427D8CEA.31C39417@attglobal.net...
>> >> > DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > On Sat, 07 May 2005 12:26:00 -0400, Tanya
>> >> <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> I'm using Windows 95b. There is a way to make the color more red or
>> >> whatever you want. I
>> >> > > >> remember there is a way to save more than one setting. There is no
>> >> adjusment on the
>> >> > > >> monitor itself to do this. The monitor is an HP mx705. It's a Dell
>> >> PC. I forgot how to
>> >> > > >> make these adjustments and had no luck with Google.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Thanks.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >hi,
>> >> > > >have you tried the new monitor on another machine?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > No.
>> >> >
>> >> > if it is not too inconvenient you should try it!
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >and
>> >> > > >have you tried your old monitor on the dell again?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > No. The old monitor would switch back and forth between looking fine and
>> >> having a red tint
>> >> > > to everything. The new monitor hasn't done this at all so I am
>> >> reasonable sure the problem
>> >> > > was with the old monitor.
>> >> >
>> >> > since you have 2 *abnormal* monitors -- the video card could be off......
>> >> perhaps you can reseat
>> >> > it?
>> >> >
>> >> > > >and
>> >> > > >do you have display properties at all?
>> >> > > >(control panel-> display ->dbl click)
>> >> > > >what options do you have-- any?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Background, screen saver, appearance and settings.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >and if you right click the desktop and choose properties?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > It's the same screen.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >if you have an option to increase resolution try it...
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Not a bad thought but I don't want higher resolution, 600 x 800 is good
>> >> for a 17" monitor.
>> >> > > Thanks.
>> >> >
>> >> > just to see whether the monitor is capable of anything.....
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > when you choose settings, what options do you have?
>> >> > there should be an 'advanced' bottom at the bottom right....you should
>> >> have the color? do you?
>> >> > if you have that option, raise (or lower) color to high color 16 bits.
>> >> > i assume that you have made certain that the monitor is SECURELY attached
>> >> to pc.
>> >>
>> >> AND there are no broken pins!
>> >
>> >yes a broken pin........
>> >
>> >also here are two unLikely longShots:
>> >1. is there by any chance a protective *film* on the monitor??? (i have received
>> >new monitors with a covering film (like a plastic) however it is usually pretty
>> >obvious...)
>> >2. or have you tried cleaning (a part of) it?
>> >(just 2 unlikely possibilities...)
>> >
>> >
>>
>> It's clean, no coating or broken pins. Thanks.

>hi
>i agree with Jerry (below) that it is a video card driver issue.....
>i had similar with a great monitor (still have it) and a win95 pc after reloading
>windows 95b:
>the colors were faded (desktop, any program etc...) and there were minimal if any
>options and none to adjust it... (in display properties)
>i had to <?upDate?> reinstall the drivers and this fixed it!
>
>also you should reseat your video card (older video cards might require this at
>times....)
>and
>as far as monitor drivers: i sometimes use a mac (apple) monitor with win95/98 pcs
>with no problem at all (i don't think that older windows versions come with mac
>monitor drivers...could be wrong...)
>
>fwiw, i would still be curious how the monitor functions on another pc;
>
>i'd do the above BEFORE returning the monitor
>sincerely
>Tanya
>

Hi Tanya,

I don't think the graphics card drivers are the problem. They worked fine with my older
monitor and they are the most recent ones from Dell. I think the lack of a color
adjustment is because Dell didn't include that feature in the drivers. I had some old
drivers from Nvidia that did have this feature. The Nvidiia drivers were updated since
then and the new ones don't work too well so I don't use them. Unfortunately I haven't
been able to find the old drivers from Nvidia. Thanks.

 

[tanya]

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DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:

> On Mon, 09 May 2005 17:54:13 -0400, Tanya <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 08 May 2005 13:53:17 -0400, Tanya <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Jess wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Tanya" <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:427D8CEA.31C39417@attglobal.net...
> >> >> > DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > On Sat, 07 May 2005 12:26:00 -0400, Tanya
> >> >> <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >> I'm using Windows 95b. There is a way to make the color more red or
> >> >> whatever you want. I
> >> >> > > >> remember there is a way to save more than one setting. There is no
> >> >> adjusment on the
> >> >> > > >> monitor itself to do this. The monitor is an HP mx705. It's a Dell
> >> >> PC. I forgot how to
> >> >> > > >> make these adjustments and had no luck with Google.
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> Thanks.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >hi,
> >> >> > > >have you tried the new monitor on another machine?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > No.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > if it is not too inconvenient you should try it!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >and
> >> >> > > >have you tried your old monitor on the dell again?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > No. The old monitor would switch back and forth between looking fine and
> >> >> having a red tint
> >> >> > > to everything. The new monitor hasn't done this at all so I am
> >> >> reasonable sure the problem
> >> >> > > was with the old monitor.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > since you have 2 *abnormal* monitors -- the video card could be off......
> >> >> perhaps you can reseat
> >> >> > it?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > >and
> >> >> > > >do you have display properties at all?
> >> >> > > >(control panel-> display ->dbl click)
> >> >> > > >what options do you have-- any?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Background, screen saver, appearance and settings.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >and if you right click the desktop and choose properties?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > It's the same screen.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >if you have an option to increase resolution try it...
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Not a bad thought but I don't want higher resolution, 600 x 800 is good
> >> >> for a 17" monitor.
> >> >> > > Thanks.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > just to see whether the monitor is capable of anything.....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > when you choose settings, what options do you have?
> >> >> > there should be an 'advanced' bottom at the bottom right....you should
> >> >> have the color? do you?
> >> >> > if you have that option, raise (or lower) color to high color 16 bits.
> >> >> > i assume that you have made certain that the monitor is SECURELY attached
> >> >> to pc.
> >> >>
> >> >> AND there are no broken pins!
> >> >
> >> >yes a broken pin........
> >> >
> >> >also here are two unLikely longShots:
> >> >1. is there by any chance a protective *film* on the monitor??? (i have received
> >> >new monitors with a covering film (like a plastic) however it is usually pretty
> >> >obvious...)
> >> >2. or have you tried cleaning (a part of) it?
> >> >(just 2 unlikely possibilities...)
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> It's clean, no coating or broken pins. Thanks.
>
> >hi
> >i agree with Jerry (below) that it is a video card driver issue.....
> >i had similar with a great monitor (still have it) and a win95 pc after reloading
> >windows 95b:
> >the colors were faded (desktop, any program etc...) and there were minimal if any
> >options and none to adjust it... (in display properties)
> >i had to <?upDate?> reinstall the drivers and this fixed it!
> >
> >also you should reseat your video card (older video cards might require this at
> >times....)
> >and
> >as far as monitor drivers: i sometimes use a mac (apple) monitor with win95/98 pcs
> >with no problem at all (i don't think that older windows versions come with mac
> >monitor drivers...could be wrong...)
> >
> >fwiw, i would still be curious how the monitor functions on another pc;
> >
> >i'd do the above BEFORE returning the monitor
> >sincerely
> >Tanya
> >
>
> Hi Tanya,
>
> I don't think the graphics card drivers are the problem. They worked fine with my older
> monitor and they are the most recent ones from Dell. I think the lack of a color
> adjustment is because Dell didn't include that feature in the drivers. I had some old
> drivers from Nvidia that did have this feature. The Nvidiia drivers were updated since
> then and the new ones don't work too well so I don't use them. Unfortunately I haven't
> been able to find the old drivers from Nvidia. Thanks.

hi,
can you post (or repost?) your video card information?

 

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On Mon, 9 May 2005 16:59:56 -0400, "arnie" <arnie@hubbabubba.com> wrote:

>> CRT monitors do not have drivers. There are inf files which tell
>> Windows what are the appropriate settings (limits) for the CRT
>> monitor. Video cards need drivers - the monitor then just "follows
>> along".
>
>everybody refers to them as monitor drivers so I do to.
>btw did you ever notice boot disks don't look like a boot either? ;-)
>

<Whoosh> The sound of his point going over your empty head.

 

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On Mon, 09 May 2005 03:13:34 GMT, DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>On Sat, 07 May 2005 23:52:10 -0400, Tanya wrote:
>>DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 07 May 2005 12:26:00 -0400, Tanya wrote:
>>> >DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:

>>> >> I'm using Windows 95b. There is a way to make the color more red or whatever you want. I
>>> >> remember there is a way to save more than one setting. There is no adjusment on the
>>> >> monitor itself to do this. The monitor is an HP mx705. It's a Dell PC. I forgot how to
>>> >> make these adjustments and had no luck with Google.

>>> >have you tried the new monitor on another machine?
>>> No.
>>if it is not too inconvenient you should try it!
Agreed.

>>> No. The old monitor would switch back and forth between looking fine and having a red tint
>>> to everything. The new monitor hasn't done this at all so I am reasonable sure the problem
>>> was with the old monitor.

Yes, it most likely was a dry solder joint or something, causing one
of the RGB color guns to dip out. Sometimes a wonky signal cable can
do that too. If it affects the whole display, it's likely that; if it
affects a part of the display as a soft-edged "wash", then degaussing
the screen (and keeping speakers and other magnets away) may help.

>>> Background, screen saver, appearance and settings.

Drill into Settings - that's where you'll see color depths, refresh
rates, etc. Look out for extra tabs to these dialog boxes that your
SVGA (graphic card) drivers may have added; these may have options to
control gamma, brightness etc. and if those were cranked up for an old
monitor with fading tube, then that may be why the new one looks too
bright. Try resetting any fancy settings to default first.

Sick monitors can go out in different ways.

One way is where the screen is maximally bright and washed out, no
matter what you do with the monitor's settings; often the focus is
fuzzy too. This would be unusual for a new monitor.

Another way is for the screen to get darker and darker, so that you
have to ramp up brightness and contrast to see anything at all. If
the old monitor was doing that, and you'd chased after it via controls
on the PC, then that may be why the new one looks too bright.

Finally, monitor signal cable extensions can dull the screen image,
but that's usually the opposite of what you are complaining about
here. Once again, a setting invoked to balance this effect (e.g. if
your old monitor was connected via a splitter or something) may cause
a new and "normal" monitor to look wrong.

>>there should be an 'advanced' bottom at the bottom right....you should have the color? do you?

>The advanced button doesn't show me a tab for color admustment and the tabs don't have
>anything on them for adjusting color.

You should not need to adjust color from the PC to make a new monitror
look normal. Either there are inappropriate settings already in
effect, or it's a duff monitor.

I take it you have tried all the settings on the monitor itself? If
no, do so! That's the place to start.

Finally - no reason to change from Win95xx, especially just because
it's "not supported". You should make sure File and print Sharing is
not bound to your Internet connection, and that you don't full-share
all of C:\, and that IE is either older than IE 4.00 or is up to IE
5.01 SP2 or IE 5.5 SP2 to avoid the MIME-spoofing risk.

There are many new hardware devices that simply won't work on that PC,
such as USB sticks and modern USB printers (Win95B can support USB,
but modern USB hardware lacks drivers for Win95B). But this doesn't
apply to CRT monitors, which should just work when plugged in.



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On Wed, 11 May 2005 01:20:53 +0200, "cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)"
<cquirkenews@nospam.mvps.org> wrote:

>On Mon, 09 May 2005 03:13:34 GMT, DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>>On Sat, 07 May 2005 23:52:10 -0400, Tanya wrote:
>>>DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 07 May 2005 12:26:00 -0400, Tanya wrote:
>>>> >DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>
>>>> >> I'm using Windows 95b. There is a way to make the color more red or whatever you want. I
>>>> >> remember there is a way to save more than one setting. There is no adjusment on the
>>>> >> monitor itself to do this. The monitor is an HP mx705. It's a Dell PC. I forgot how to
>>>> >> make these adjustments and had no luck with Google.
>
>>>> >have you tried the new monitor on another machine?
>>>> No.
>>>if it is not too inconvenient you should try it!
>Agreed.
>
>>>> No. The old monitor would switch back and forth between looking fine and having a red tint
>>>> to everything. The new monitor hasn't done this at all so I am reasonable sure the problem
>>>> was with the old monitor.
>
>Yes, it most likely was a dry solder joint or something, causing one
>of the RGB color guns to dip out. Sometimes a wonky signal cable can
>do that too. If it affects the whole display, it's likely that; if it
>affects a part of the display as a soft-edged "wash", then degaussing
>the screen (and keeping speakers and other magnets away) may help.

It's the whole screen.

>
>>>> Background, screen saver, appearance and settings.
>
>Drill into Settings - that's where you'll see color depths, refresh
>rates, etc. Look out for extra tabs to these dialog boxes that your
>SVGA (graphic card) drivers may have added; these may have options to
>control gamma, brightness etc. and if those were cranked up for an old
>monitor with fading tube, then that may be why the new one looks too
>bright. Try resetting any fancy settings to default first.

There are no gamma or other settings with these Dell drivers.

>
>Sick monitors can go out in different ways.
>
>One way is where the screen is maximally bright and washed out, no
>matter what you do with the monitor's settings; often the focus is
>fuzzy too. This would be unusual for a new monitor.
>
>Another way is for the screen to get darker and darker, so that you
>have to ramp up brightness and contrast to see anything at all. If
>the old monitor was doing that, and you'd chased after it via controls
>on the PC, then that may be why the new one looks too bright.
>
>Finally, monitor signal cable extensions can dull the screen image,
>but that's usually the opposite of what you are complaining about
>here. Once again, a setting invoked to balance this effect (e.g. if
>your old monitor was connected via a splitter or something) may cause
>a new and "normal" monitor to look wrong.

It's just an ordinary cable, permanently attached to the monitor so if the cable goes bad
you throw out the monitor. ;-)

>
>>>there should be an 'advanced' bottom at the bottom right....you should have the color? do you?
>
>>The advanced button doesn't show me a tab for color admustment and the tabs don't have
>>anything on them for adjusting color.
>
>You should not need to adjust color from the PC to make a new monitror
>look normal. Either there are inappropriate settings already in
>effect, or it's a duff monitor.
>
>I take it you have tried all the settings on the monitor itself? If
>no, do so! That's the place to start.

Yes. Contrast and brightness are all there is to work with. The others are for moire,
degauss, pincushion, etc.

>
>Finally - no reason to change from Win95xx, especially just because
>it's "not supported". You should make sure File and print Sharing is
>not bound to your Internet connection, and that you don't full-share
>all of C:\, and that IE is either older than IE 4.00 or is up to IE
>5.01 SP2 or IE 5.5 SP2 to avoid the MIME-spoofing risk.

The option for web sharing is grayed out for all drives and folders.

>
>There are many new hardware devices that simply won't work on that PC,
>such as USB sticks and modern USB printers (Win95B can support USB,
>but modern USB hardware lacks drivers for Win95B). But this doesn't
>apply to CRT monitors, which should just work when plugged in.
>

I think all companies discontinued USB support for Windows 95 a short time after Win98
came out. I think they just gave up on it because it didn't work too well. It's almost
funny that I've got the USB ports and there was never much or any software to make them
work.

Thanks for all the information.

 

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On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:24:37 -0400, Tanya <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:

>DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 09 May 2005 17:54:13 -0400, Tanya <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 08 May 2005 13:53:17 -0400, Tanya <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Jess wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Tanya" <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:427D8CEA.31C39417@attglobal.net...
>> >> >> > DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > On Sat, 07 May 2005 12:26:00 -0400, Tanya
>> >> >> <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > >DaveJohnson12@nomail. wrote:
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >> I'm using Windows 95b. There is a way to make the color more red or
>> >> >> whatever you want. I
>> >> >> > > >> remember there is a way to save more than one setting. There is no
>> >> >> adjusment on the
>> >> >> > > >> monitor itself to do this. The monitor is an HP mx705. It's a Dell
>> >> >> PC. I forgot how to
>> >> >> > > >> make these adjustments and had no luck with Google.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> Thanks.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >hi,
>> >> >> > > >have you tried the new monitor on another machine?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > No.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > if it is not too inconvenient you should try it!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > >and
>> >> >> > > >have you tried your old monitor on the dell again?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > No. The old monitor would switch back and forth between looking fine and
>> >> >> having a red tint
>> >> >> > > to everything. The new monitor hasn't done this at all so I am
>> >> >> reasonable sure the problem
>> >> >> > > was with the old monitor.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > since you have 2 *abnormal* monitors -- the video card could be off......
>> >> >> perhaps you can reseat
>> >> >> > it?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > >and
>> >> >> > > >do you have display properties at all?
>> >> >> > > >(control panel-> display ->dbl click)
>> >> >> > > >what options do you have-- any?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Background, screen saver, appearance and settings.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > >and if you right click the desktop and choose properties?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > It's the same screen.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > >if you have an option to increase resolution try it...
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Not a bad thought but I don't want higher resolution, 600 x 800 is good
>> >> >> for a 17" monitor.
>> >> >> > > Thanks.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > just to see whether the monitor is capable of anything.....
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > when you choose settings, what options do you have?
>> >> >> > there should be an 'advanced' bottom at the bottom right....you should
>> >> >> have the color? do you?
>> >> >> > if you have that option, raise (or lower) color to high color 16 bits.
>> >> >> > i assume that you have made certain that the monitor is SECURELY attached
>> >> >> to pc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> AND there are no broken pins!
>> >> >
>> >> >yes a broken pin........
>> >> >
>> >> >also here are two unLikely longShots:
>> >> >1. is there by any chance a protective *film* on the monitor??? (i have received
>> >> >new monitors with a covering film (like a plastic) however it is usually pretty
>> >> >obvious...)
>> >> >2. or have you tried cleaning (a part of) it?
>> >> >(just 2 unlikely possibilities...)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> It's clean, no coating or broken pins. Thanks.
>>
>> >hi
>> >i agree with Jerry (below) that it is a video card driver issue.....
>> >i had similar with a great monitor (still have it) and a win95 pc after reloading
>> >windows 95b:
>> >the colors were faded (desktop, any program etc...) and there were minimal if any
>> >options and none to adjust it... (in display properties)
>> >i had to <?upDate?> reinstall the drivers and this fixed it!
>> >
>> >also you should reseat your video card (older video cards might require this at
>> >times....)
>> >and
>> >as far as monitor drivers: i sometimes use a mac (apple) monitor with win95/98 pcs
>> >with no problem at all (i don't think that older windows versions come with mac
>> >monitor drivers...could be wrong...)
>> >
>> >fwiw, i would still be curious how the monitor functions on another pc;
>> >
>> >i'd do the above BEFORE returning the monitor
>> >sincerely
>> >Tanya
>> >
>>
>> Hi Tanya,
>>
>> I don't think the graphics card drivers are the problem. They worked fine with my older
>> monitor and they are the most recent ones from Dell. I think the lack of a color
>> adjustment is because Dell didn't include that feature in the drivers. I had some old
>> drivers from Nvidia that did have this feature. The Nvidiia drivers were updated since
>> then and the new ones don't work too well so I don't use them. Unfortunately I haven't
>> been able to find the old drivers from Nvidia. Thanks.
>
>hi,
>can you post (or repost?) your video card information?
>

It's an STB Velocity 128 Dell OEM card.

 

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 21:29:50 GMT, DaveJohnson12@nospam. wrote:
>
>Thanks Tanya. I've decided to stick with the one I have. I found two I might
>like but no one sells them, an NEC FE770 and an IBM C170. Other than CompUSA and
>the appliance chains, there are no computer stores in my area except for some
>that don't keep anything in stock, not even display models. The local Dell store
>sells the NEC but there's no display model so they are no help. Gateway sells
>the IBM but they closed all their stores. ;-) I could order them but since no
>one reviews CRT monitors anymore I'd have to hope for the best and I don't want
>to do that. It's too late anyway. Thursday is the last day I can return the new
>monitor and I can't afford to be without a monitor while I wait for a new one.
>I'd get an LCD at this point but I don't think they will work with my old OS,
>Windows 95. I'm guessing Win95 wouldn't know anything about the 5:4 resolution
>so I'd get a messed up picture if it would even display anything. Monitor
>drivers wouldn't help since they won't work with this old OS.

Get one of these:

http://search.ebay.com/dell-p780_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8

 

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 16:03:21 -0700, Curious <Curious@curiosity.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 May 2005 21:29:50 GMT, DaveJohnson12@nospam. wrote:
>>
>>Thanks Tanya. I've decided to stick with the one I have. I found two I might
>>like but no one sells them, an NEC FE770 and an IBM C170. Other than CompUSA and
>>the appliance chains, there are no computer stores in my area except for some
>>that don't keep anything in stock, not even display models. The local Dell store
>>sells the NEC but there's no display model so they are no help. Gateway sells
>>the IBM but they closed all their stores. ;-) I could order them but since no
>>one reviews CRT monitors anymore I'd have to hope for the best and I don't want
>>to do that. It's too late anyway. Thursday is the last day I can return the new
>>monitor and I can't afford to be without a monitor while I wait for a new one.
>>I'd get an LCD at this point but I don't think they will work with my old OS,
>>Windows 95. I'm guessing Win95 wouldn't know anything about the 5:4 resolution
>>so I'd get a messed up picture if it would even display anything. Monitor
>>drivers wouldn't help since they won't work with this old OS.
>
>Get one of these:
>
>http://search.ebay.com/dell-p780_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8

I'll think about it. There are a lot of them. $35 or $45 seems a bit steep for shipping. I
have to do some research before I buy anything on ebay. I don't know anything about it.
Thanks.

 

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hi,
[...below...]
<many snips>

DaveJohnson12@nospam. wrote:

> >> >> >> >fwiw, i would still be curious how the monitor functions on another pc;
> >> >
> >> >still and vice versa
> >>
> >> >i know but i really don't think that the *sophisticated* extras are too useful except for the
> >> >diagnostic (which it doesn't have)
>
>
> >i believe that these are the drivers for your video card:
> >RIVA 128/128ZX Drivers
> >http://www.nvidia.com/object/riva_drivers
> >(i don't know whether these are the same as you have now, but if not and your *new* monitor has
> >similar problems you might try these...)
>
> Thanks, yes they are the same. I checked them a few days ago.

fwiw, you video card is *reviewed* by some users (with variable results...)
here:
User Reviews - STB Velocity 128
http://www.sysopt.com/userreviews/vidcards/reviewhtml/STB_Velocity_128.html
(might consider a new card at some point)

> >> >here are some ideas: i think that 4 is the most *helpful*
> >> >
>
> >
> >> >2. have you tried unplugging the monitor for a while? (likely no help)
> >>
> >> No but I had the power off for long periods of time.
> >
> >i think that actually unPlugging the monitor can help certain problems... (fwiw)

try unplugging the monitor for several hours... (not simply turning it off)

> >> >*4. when you start the pc, do you have the BRIGHT blue dell splash screen?
> >> >if so, is the blue bright?
> >>
> >> It's there. It's hard to say if it's bright. I'm not sure if lack of brightness is the
> >> problem. I have the brightness down to around 12% to try to get more color out of it.
>
> >> Some of the individual colors look okay. Blue, red and yellow all seem to be alright but
> >> when I look at pictures of people the skin tones are very dull looking.
> >
> >unless the photos (pictures) are displayed in a photo (s/w) program which requires certain settings
>
> No it's just with any picture viewer like ACDC or Irfanview.

and i assume that other programs / windows are dull too? (like msPaint?)

> >> I think I'm
> >> getting too much yellow and not enough red and blue.

i think that the crt has 3 phos. 'guns' (iirc)
red, blue and green
i'd think that there's too little red, and too much green and a questionable amount of blue...
fwiw, in a tv, (crt) these can be adjusted by a technician (don't try this your self)

> No amount of adjusting the brightness
> >> and contrast will fix it. With the brightness and contrast at 50% or more the colors are
> >> washed out. Lowering the settings makes everything dull. Colors are still pale but less
> >> bright.
> >>
> >> >(or any of the colors if there are other colors?)
> >> >also the windows splash (w/ the clouds) prior to it loading everything (is the color normal?)
> >> >6. i would try the monitor in a different electrical outlet? (fwiw)

still would...

> >> >7. a)(with the pc off) unplug everything other than the monitor, the keyboard, the mouse and
> >> >the pc power cable.
> >> >b) restart; go into safe mode
> >> >c) go to start-> settings -> control panel-> display
> >> >move the resolution to the left (640*480) (desktop and screen); move the color palette to
> >> >256....
> >> >d) click ok and restart...
> >> >

did you try this?

> >> >7. have you asked the retailer?
> >>
> >> No. I'm fairly certain they'd be no help.
> >>
> >> >8. the only question that that might diagnose the monitor or a driver issue (i think) is the
> >> >one about the dell splash (you could also enter the setup ('del' key) and see if the colors
> >> >there are washed out (although they are fairly faint))
> >> >9. have you made SURE that plug 'n play is set up for the monitor (device mnger)
> >>
> >> It says plug and play monitor in device manager.
> >>
> >> >10. make sure to reseat the video card

have you done this? plus if there're chips on the card, you could make sure that they are secure (just
push them lightly)

> >> >p.s. has anyone heard of a synch adapter???????

this is an adapter which i have no familiarity with -- which apparently enables older os's to support
new monitors...


> >> >quote from your post re: controls on monitor:
> >> >'The controls on the
> >> >front of the monitor
> >> >are for brightness, contrast, moire, degauss and adjusting the shape
> >> >of the picture like
> >> >pincushion, trapezoid, etc. There's also something called color
> >> >temperature. I changed it
> >> >from 9300 to 6500 and it makes a big difference but the color still
> >> >doesn't look right.'
> >> >
> >> >have you adjusted the brightness (i.e. turned it down)?
> >> >and the contrast? turned it up?
> >>
> >> Yes. That helps but the problems is still there.
>
> >> >but in what way did changing the color temp make a big difference?
>
> >> It made the picture less bright, less washed out and more dull looking. I think it makes
> >> it yellower too.
> >
> >fwiw, at this point i'd try for a default setting on the monitor (but again (IMHO) this is xs for a
> >new monitor)

to emphasize: i would strongly recommend trying for defaults (ask hp) and or: assuming you have your old
monitor, reconnect it to the pc and then remove it and put the new one on and hope that it redetects
(should / could get default settings again)

> I did. They are just for brighness and contrast.

also i think at this point that too many of the settings have been adjusted and i'd want to start from
scratch (writing down the default settings first)

when you go to device manager is the hp monitor named?

> >> >p.s. i don't know whether there's a h/w problem w/ the monitor (i would just be concerned
> >> >about getting a refund (i.e.do you have a time limit to replace it?))
> >> >imho, it certainly could be a video card / driver issue / a bios setting / windows setting....
>
> >> Before Windows starts I see a blue Dell symbol (or something) during the power on self
> >> test.
> >>
> >> I get the impression that the computer is working okay because colors with the old monitor
> >> were fine except for on and off color problem that I believe was cause by the old monitor
> >> going bad. IOW everything would get red then it would go back to being fine. I don't that
> >> problem at all with the new monitor so I think the cause was the old monitor. The problem
> >> I have with the new monitor did not exist at all with the old one so I think in both cases
> >> I'm seeing monitor problems and not something wrong with he rest of the computer.
> >
> >i don't think that there is anything wrong with the pc -- just wanted to know whether the initial
> >screens were washed out and the blue on the dell splash is pretty BRIGHT (strong -- i.e. not washed
> >out)
>
> The splash screen is washed out as well.
>
> >> I'm going to see if I can find a better CRT at a local store. There aren't many stores
> >> computer stores where I live. They seem to have all been killed off by CompUSA, the office
> >> stores, electronics stores and the maybe department stores and none of these have good
> >> CRTs. They all sell the same 5 or so brands and models plus a few cheaper no-name brands.
> >
> >i don't know brands offhand (i saw a number of posts relating to brands in this thread) if these
> >are unavailable, you could try onLine stores (for example: newEgg, chiefValue, ncix.com (usa)) JUST
> >to see the top 10 picks for crt's (or lcd's) and the reviews and comparisons (at least with
> >chiefValue) given by customers)
>
> That's a good suggestion.
>
> >
> >> LCDs might be another matter.
> >
> >> Thanks for all the help and suggestions.
> >
> >you are welcome
> >i (for one) would be curious to know how your new monitor works -- perhaps you can post back with
> >the results.....
> >sincerely,
> >Tanya
> >
>
> Thanks Tanya. I've decided to stick with the one I have. I found two I might
> like but no one sells them, an NEC FE770 and an IBM C170. Other than CompUSA and
> the appliance chains, there are no computer stores in my area except for some
> that don't keep anything in stock, not even display models. The local Dell store
> sells the NEC but there's no display model so they are no help. Gateway sells
> the IBM but they closed all their stores. ;-)

as far as display models: did the hp have one?
i've never bought a monitor that i saw in a display...

> I could order them but since no
> one reviews CRT monitors anymore

there *are* reviews! lcd is still a 'bit' co$tly
also, the online shops have user reviews...
i found links; i will post them

> I'd have to hope for the best and I don't want
> to do that. It's too late anyway. Thursday is the last day I can return the new
> monitor and I can't afford to be without a monitor while I wait for a new one.

i'd be talking to hp -- i would imagine they would want the provide functioning monitors.... doesn't
your hp have an hp warranty (at least for a year?)
most companies would send a rpl first (you'd likely need to put down a deposit) and if it worked then
have you send the bad one back...
also some of the onLine stores have good reputations
i haven't dealt with newegg etc but there is a retailer assessment link i'll post that scores onLine
sellers...
http://www.resellerratings.com/


> I'd get an LCD at this point but I don't think they will work with my old OS,
> Windows 95. I'm guessing Win95 wouldn't know anything about the 5:4 resolution
> so I'd get a messed up picture if it would even display anything.

i found lots of links with win95b and lcds... i think in that case upgrading your video card would help
a lot...
Video Cards
http://www.devhardware.com/c/a/Video-Cards/

Video Hardware, Part 2
http://www.devhardware.com/c/a/Video-Cards/Video-Hardware-Part-2/3/

Video Cards
http://www.devhardware.com/index2.php?option=content&task=view&id=1425&pop=1&page=0&hide_js=1
(2 are pretty much the same but 1 has a menu on the left on other devices.....)

(they talk about monitors as well)

> Monitor
> drivers wouldn't help since they won't work with this old OS.

oh?
actually notebooks have <always?> used lcd monitors... i think that win95b supports them (someone might
be able to confirm this)
sincerely,
Tanya