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Hello,

I have SAMSUNG 990 PRO 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD for 10 months and the day 1 Health Status is 100%, after 10 months Health Status is 92%. I use CrystalDiskInfo to see the Health Status.

Windows 10 Pro is installed in SAMSUNG 990 PRO 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD

Q1. What is the best way to change from SAMSUNG 990 PRO 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD to a new WD SN850X 1TB NVME M.2 SSD?

Q2. Would cloning work since the health status % now has already dropped to 92% would the cloning software clone 92% health (or bad health areas/sectors/data) to the new WD SN850X 1TB NVME M.2 SSD?

Q3. My SAMSUNG 990 PRO 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD will stop working at what Health Status %?

Q4. At at what Health Status % should I change to a new hard disk?

Q5. Is dropping 8% health status in 10 months too fast? What is the normal rate of % drop in one year?

Q6. I use https://www.hdtune.com/download.html HD Tune 2.55 free version last updated at 12 February 2008 (very long ago), is the Error Scan results still accurate? Are there any alternative software that has the Error Scan function like HD Tune?

Thank you
 
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smalltech said:
Q1. What is the best way to change from SAMSUNG 990 PRO 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD to a new WD SN850X 1TB NVME M.2 SSD?
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Either clone or clean install.
smalltech said:
Q2. Would cloning work since the health status % now has already dropped to 92% would the cloning software clone 92% health
(or bad health areas/sectors/data) to the new WD SN850X 1TB NVME M.2 SSD?
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Should work.
smalltech said:
Q3. My SAMSUNG 990 PRO 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD will stop working at what Health Status %?
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When all write cycles are exhausted, drive will switch into read only mode.
Should be at 0%. But if some other critical smart parameter is tripped, drive can go into read only mode earlier too.
smalltech said:
Q4. At at what Health Status % should I change to a new hard disk?
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At 10% or 5%. Anyway - you should have replacement drive already prepared at that time.
smalltech said:
Q5. Is dropping 8% health status in 10 months too fast? What is the normal rate of % drop in one year?
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That's rather fast health decline. But this depends on write workload, your drive is experiencing.
Normal would be 1% to 2% health decline per year.
Make sure, you have drive firmware updated.

Can you show screenshot from Samsung Magician - Drive Dashboard?
(upload to imgur.com and post link)
You can update drive firmware with Samsung Magician.
 
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Q1. How full is your C drive?
I see no utility in changing a 1tb drive to a different 1tb drive.
Let samsung magician update the firmware if needed.
If you clone, do it right to a 2tb replacement.

Q2 Clone is a bit for bit copy, magician to a samsung is a logical C drive mover.
In either case, I would not expect any health calculations to be carried over.

Q3. The ssd will keep working, but only for reading when available nand blocks are used up.
You will suffer big performance hits before you run out of writes.

Q4. Be ready to replace with a larger ssd at your convenience when you encounter performance issues due to a nearly full ssd.
Probably about 95% full.

Q5. 8% seems high. Possibly a firmware error if you are not current on firmware.
Let magician check and perhaps update.

Q6. Samsung knows their products better than an all purpose app. Use magician.
If you like HDtune, update the app to currency.
 
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smalltech said:
Hello,

I have SAMSUNG 990 PRO 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD for 10 months and the day 1 Health Status is 100%, after 10 months Health Status is 92%. I use CrystalDiskInfo to see the Health Status.

Windows 10 Pro is installed in SAMSUNG 990 PRO 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD

Q1. What is the best way to change from SAMSUNG 990 PRO 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD to a new WD SN850X 1TB NVME M.2 SSD?

Q2. Would cloning work since the health status % now has already dropped to 92% would the cloning software clone 92% health (or bad health areas/sectors/data) to the new WD SN850X 1TB NVME M.2 SSD?

Q3. My SAMSUNG 990 PRO 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD will stop working at what Health Status %?

Q4. At at what Health Status % should I change to a new hard disk?

Q5. Is dropping 8% health status in 10 months too fast? What is the normal rate of % drop in one year?

Q6. I use https://www.hdtune.com/download.html HD Tune 2.55 free version last updated at 12 February 2008 (very long ago), is the Error Scan results still accurate? Are there any alternative software that has the Error Scan function like HD Tune?

Thank you
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Can you post a screenshot from crystal disk info?
 
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When all write cycles are exhausted, drive will switch into read only mode.
Should be at 0%. But if some other critical smart parameter is tripped, drive can go into read only mode earlier too.

Can you show screenshot from Samsung Magician - Drive Dashboard?
(upload to imgur.com and post link)
You can update drive firmware with Samsung Magician.
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"When all write cycles are exhausted, drive will switch into read only mode." >
At this read only mode stage is it still possible to do a clone to another disk or manually copy the data file to another disk? I assume after copy to another disk I can read and write the data like the data in normal good condition disk?

Where to see the health % in samsung magician?
https://imgur.com/MkCs1MY
View: https://i.imgur.com/MkCs1MY.png


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CrystalDiskInfo health dropped to 91% today.
https://imgur.com/uE3I8G0
View: https://i.imgur.com/uE3I8G0.png
 
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smalltech said:
At this read only mode stage is it still possible to do a clone to another disk or manually copy the data file to another disk? I assume after copy to another disk I can read and write the data like the data in normal good condition disk?
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Maybe. But do not wait that long.

You should be doing comprehensive backups all the time. The drive may die of something else, before it fails from too may write cycles.
 
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geofelt said:
Q1. How full is your C drive?
I see no utility in changing a 1tb drive to a different 1tb drive.
Let samsung magician update the firmware if needed.
If you clone, do it right to a 2tb replacement.

Q2 Clone is a bit for bit copy, magician to a samsung is a logical C drive mover.
In either case, I would not expect any health calculations to be carried over.

Q3. The ssd will keep working, but only for reading when available nand blocks are used up.
You will suffer big performance hits before you run out of writes.

Q4. Be ready to replace with a larger ssd at your convenience when you encounter performance issues due to a nearly full ssd.
Probably about 95% full.

Q5. 8% seems high. Possibly a firmware error if you are not current on firmware.
Let magician check and perhaps update.

Q6. Samsung knows their products better than an all purpose app. Use magician.
If you like HDtune, update the app to currency.
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Q1 answer: My C: properties Capacity: 930GB, Used space: 230GB, Free space: 699GB
How much % empty space in C: makes the computer faster?

Q5 answer: Where do you click in the Samsung Magician to check?
 
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smalltech said:
Yes. Would like to learn how to clone properly to another disk.
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Specific steps for a successful clone operation:
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Verify the actual used space on the current drive is significantly below the size of the new SSD
Both drives must be the same partitioning scheme, either MBR or GPT
Download and install Macrium Reflect (or Samsung Magician (which includes Data Migration), if a Samsung target SSD)
If you are cloning from a SATA drive to PCIe/NVMe, you may need to install the relevant driver for this new NVMe/PCIe drive.
Power off
Disconnect ALL drives except the current C and the new SSD
Power up

Verify the system boots with ONLY the current "C drive" connected.
If not, we have to fix that first.

Run the Macrium Reflect (or Samsung Data Migration)
Select ALL the partitions on the existing C drive

[Ignore this section if using the SDM. It does this automatically]
If you are going from a smaller drive to a larger, by default, the target partition size will be the same as the Source. You probably don't want that
You can manipulate the size of the partitions on the target (larger)drive
Click on "Cloned Partition Properties", and you can specify the resulting partition size, to even include the whole thing
[/end ignore]

Click the 'Clone' button
Wait until it is done
When it finishes, power off
Disconnect ALL drives except for the new SSD. This is not optional.
This is to allow the system to try to boot from ONLY the SSD

(swapping cables is irrelevant with NVMe drives, but DO disconnect the old drive for this next part)
Swap the SATA cables around so that the new drive is connected to the same SATA port as the old drive
Power up, and verify the BIOS boot order
If good, continue the power up

It should boot from the new drive, just like the old drive.
Maybe reboot a time or two, just to make sure.

If it works, and it should, all is good.

Later, reconnect the old drive and wipe all partitions on it.
This will probably require the commandline diskpart function, and the clean command.

Ask questions if anything is unclear.
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If your system only has 1x M.2 port, and you're going to another M.2 drive....

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1x m.2 slot with an Image

Assuming you have another drive (any type of drive) with sufficient free space to hold the entirety of your current m.2 drive:

1. Download and install Macrium Reflect
2. Run that, and create a Rescue CD or USB (you'll use this later). "Other Tasks". Create this on a small USB flash drive or DVD.
3. In the Macrium client, create an Image to some other drive. External USB HDD, maybe. Select all partitions. This results in a file of xxxx.mrimage
4. When done, power OFF.
5. Swap the 2 drives
6. Boot up from the Rescue USB you created earlier.
7. Restore (on the toolbar), and tell it where the Image is that you created in step 3, and which drive to apply it to...the new m.2
8. Go, and wait until it finishes.
9. That's all...this should work.
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QA. Does lower health % only mean the disk lifespan has become shorter but the disk is still in good working condition? How to check the condition (errors/bad sectors) of the disk?

QB. Ask do i need to use any software to check for bad sectors or bad condition on both disks before doing a clone? If yes, what software?

QC. Can clone work if there are errors/bad sectors any disks?

QD. Can all types (size/brand/model/SSD/HDD/nvme/m2/sata/ide...) of disk clone to all types (size/brand/model/SSD/HDD/nvme/m2/sata/ide...) of disk?

QE. Is the result (stability, error free) of using clone to a new disk same as reinstall windows in a new disk? (I assume the only purpose of clone is to save time from reinstall windows and software?)

Thanks
 
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smalltech said:
QA. Does lower health % only mean the disk lifespan has become shorter but the disk is still in good working condition? How to check the condition (errors/bad sectors) of the disk?

QB. Ask do i need to use any software to check for bad sectors or bad condition on both disks before doing a clone? If yes, what software?

QC. Can clone work if there are errors/bad sectors any disks?

QD. Can all types (size/brand/model/SSD/HDD/nvme/m2/sata/ide...) of disk clone to all types (size/brand/model/SSD/HDD/nvme/m2/sata/ide...) of disk?

QE. Is the result (stability, error free) of using clone to a new disk same as reinstall windows in a new disk? (I assume the only purpose of clone is to save time from reinstall windows and software?)

Thanks
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A. Mostly, yes. Performance remains the same

B. The Source drive needs to be in full working condition.

C. If the source drive cannot be read correctly, a clone will fail

D. Mostly, yes. Assuming consumed space works with the capacity of the new drive

E. No, it is NOT the same as an OS install. It simply moves the current drive contents to a different drive.
 
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USAFRet said:
A. Mostly, yes. Performance remains the same

B. The Source drive needs to be in full working condition.

C. If the source drive cannot be read correctly, a clone will fail

D. Mostly, yes. Assuming consumed space works with the capacity of the new drive

E. No, it is NOT the same as an OS install. It simply moves the current drive contents to a different drive.
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B. and C. How to check if the source drive is in full working condition?

E. I clarify my question, scenario A: I clone my old disk (old disk has windows installed and software installed) to a new disk. scenario B: I ignore my old disk, I install windows to a new disk and install software to a new disk. Eventually scenario A new disk and scenario B new disk will have the same Windows and Software that I need. Is scenario A new disk or scenario B new disk better?

I think I read cloning could cause some problems in the future (I am not sure).
 
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smalltech said:
B. and C. How to check if the source drive is in full working condition?

E. I clarify my question, scenario A: I clone my old disk (old disk has windows installed and software installed) to a new disk. scenario B: I ignore my old disk, I install windows to a new disk and install software to a new disk. Eventually scenario A new disk and scenario B new disk will have the same Windows and Software that I need. Is scenario A new disk or scenario B new disk better?

I think I read cloning could cause some problems in the future (I am not sure).
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B. If the source drive is physically failing, OR the data on it (the OS) is faulty...cloning does not fix that.

E. You want only ONE actual bootable OS drive in the system. Clone or fresh install...do NOT leave the old drive in there with its OS. This just makes thing much more complex in the future.

Clone before the original drive "dies". Since you cannot reliably predict when that will happen...this is what a good backup routine is for.
 
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USAFRet said:
B. If the source drive is physically failing, OR the data on it (the OS) is faulty...cloning does not fix that.

E. You want only ONE actual bootable OS drive in the system. Clone or fresh install...do NOT leave the old drive in there with its OS. This just makes thing much more complex in the future.

Clone before the original drive "dies". Since you cannot reliably predict when that will happen...this is what a good backup routine is for.
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B. Is there a software to check?

E. I understand, I do not leave the old drive in there. I only put one new disk that has OS in my PC, scenario A new disk and scenario B new disk will have the same Windows and Software that I need. Is scenario A new disk or scenario B new disk better?

scenario A: I clone my old disk (old disk has windows installed and software installed) to a new disk. scenario B: I ignore my old disk, I install windows to a new disk and install software to a new disk. Eventually scenario A new disk and scenario B new disk will have the same Windows and Software that I need. Is scenario A new disk or scenario B new disk better?

Old disk are removed from the pc.
 
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smalltech said:
B. Is there a software to check?

E. I understand, I do not leave the old drive in there. I only put one new disk that has OS in my PC, scenario A new disk and scenario B new disk will have the same Windows and Software that I need. Is scenario A new disk or scenario B new disk better?

scenario A: I clone my old disk (old disk has windows installed and software installed) to a new disk. scenario B: I ignore my old disk, I install windows to a new disk and install software to a new disk. Eventually scenario A new disk and scenario B new disk will have the same Windows and Software that I need. Is scenario A new disk or scenario B new disk better?

Old disk are removed from the pc.
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B. Given a Samsung drive, Samsung Magician.

E. A clone/migration brings over everything from the old drive.
A fresh install is a brand new start.

Both ways have their advantages and disadvantages.
 
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USAFRet said:
Have you updated the firmware?
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I did not update the firmware yet. I bought this 990 Pro 10 months ago and day 1 I used CrystalDiskInfo to see that it has Heath status 100% so I just leave it alone, started using it without Samsung Magician and no firmware update.

10 months later then I discovered CrystalDiskInfo shows 91% today, so I just installed Samsung Magician today.

I usually do not update firmware as I think someone said for firmware (or is it bios or something else) it is better to if it aint broke dont fix it.

I will update it later.
 
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