Question How to get 3.5" SATA to work in old Windows XP Computer

[Jakab28]

Okay, so I got an old Windows XP system that has an MB800V-R Motherboard. It only has IDE ports and no newer SATA ports. I need a backup drive in case the original was to fail, so I tried cloning the IDE to a SATA and am unable to boot from the SATA. This is the adapter that I have for converting from SATA to IDE going into the MB800V-R. The PC is able to recognize the SATA drive with the adapter during normal operations, but when I remove the old drive and try to boot from the SATA it just doesn't work. I have tried changing the boot order to USB, didn't work. Plugging the IDE cable into the adapter that goes into the SATA is fruitless as well. Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated!

 

[TerryLaze]

Unless you make an actual 1:1 clone where the target becomes a complete copy of the source, including the size, it is called imaging and it only clones the files and not the structure of the disk.
The structure includes the MBR and the needed boot files.
You will have to write an MBR to the sata disk, if it boots into it and tells you that it can't find any bootable drive you will have to repair the boot menu as well.

Or just do the clone again but do an actual 1:1 clone.
hddrawcopy might help you, but be careful to choose the correct source andarget.

 

[Math Geek]

A true sata port would boot but your adapter will not. The system is just not designed for it.

Just getting a sata port to work.on install took extra drivers loaded before it would even see the drive.

Your backup should just be data and be prepared to reinstall XP if you need to.

 

[TerryLaze]

A true sata port would boot but your adapter will not. The system is just not designed for it.

Just getting a sata port to work.on install took extra drivers loaded before it would even see the drive.

Your backup should just be data and be prepared to reinstall XP if you need to.

These adaptors are transparent to the system, the disk just shows up as a normal ide drive to the bios. As long as it shows up at all it works as a normal ide drive.

 

[SkyNetRising]

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated!

Install PCI SATA controller.
Note it has to be PCI (not PCIE), because your board doesn't have PCIE slots.

Like this:

Delock Products 70154 Delock PCI Card > 4 x internal SATA with RAID

www.delock.com

 

[Math Geek]

These adaptors are transparent to the system, the disk just shows up as a normal ide drive to the bios. As long as it shows up at all it works as a normal ide drive.

Are you sure? Been a while but I don't recall them working way back when we actually used XP. I used a few and don't remember being able to boot to one. It worked fine as secondary drive as op is experiencing.

If I'm wrong ( and I'd like to be with this one) my apologies

Hopefully it is just a bad clone

 

[Misgar]

Some SATA controller cards come with a bootable BIOS chip, selected by a small slide switch. Most cards do not have this physical switch and may not be bootable. It can be difficult to tell if a card is bootable or not from the description.

Have you tried looking for an IDE drive? You might not find a brand new one, but second hand 3.5in (desktop) and 2.5in (laptop) drives still appear on eBay. You'd need a 44 to 40 pin + power adapter for a laptop drive, but they work fine in a desktop PC.

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-LEIH...top+drive+44+to+40+way+adapter,aps,158&sr=8-1

 

[artk2219]

Okay, so I got an old Windows XP system that has an MB800V-R Motherboard. It only has IDE ports and no newer SATA ports. I need a backup drive in case the original was to fail, so I tried cloning the IDE to a SATA and am unable to boot from the SATA. This is the adapter that I have for converting from SATA to IDE going into the MB800V-R. The PC is able to recognize the SATA drive with the adapter during normal operations, but when I remove the old drive and try to boot from the SATA it just doesn't work. I have tried changing the boot order to USB, didn't work. Plugging the IDE cable into the adapter that goes into the SATA is fruitless as well. Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated!

Have you tried switching the position of that master and slave jumper on that sata to ide adapter? Have you set that jumper to master and made sure its on the first connector from the ide cable? Also have you tried a different IDE cable? Finally did you have this disk setup as a clone or was it just copying data? It could be you didnt have the boot partition setup on that sata ssd.

 

[stonecarver]

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[TerryLaze]

Are you sure? Been a while but I don't recall them working way back when we actually used XP. I used a few and don't remember being able to boot to one. It worked fine as secondary drive as op is experiencing.

If I'm wrong ( and I'd like to be with this one) my apologies

Hopefully it is just a bad clone

I am 100% sure that an chepo sd to ide card I got made the sd card look like a ide drive to a few ancient PCs I have, including an amiga.
I have put an sata to ide adapter into an OG xbox and it saw the sata drive without issues.

These aren't sata controller cards that do need a driver inside windows to make it work as sata, they turn the disk into a ide disk so if the bios can use ide disks they can use these adapters.

 

[fzabkar]

Was the system running from the source drive while you were cloning it? How did you clone it? Which software?

when I remove the old drive and try to boot from the SATA it just doesn't work.

What does this mean? Are there any error messages? Any indicators of what is happening?

 

[Jakab28]

hddrawcopy might help you, but be careful to choose the correct source andarget.

Why hddrawcopy and not something like MacriumReflect?

 

[TerryLaze]

Why hddrawcopy and not something like MacriumReflect?

Because hddrawcopy is very small, it's even portable so it doesn't even need to be installed, and it doesn't have any bloat to confuse you, source target done, there is nothing else to make you second guess what to choose or what to do.

Also I think it uses DD underneath so it's good enough.

If you are comfortable with macrium then by all means use that.

 

[Jakab28]

Was the system running from the source drive while you were cloning it? How did you clone it? Which software?

So I used this adapter to hook up the 3.5" SATA/HDD to the 3.5" ATA/IDE. Then I plugged the USB into my Win10 machine and used DiskGenius to run a clone of the original to the copy.

What does this mean? Are there any error messages? Any indicators of what is happening?

No error messages really, all that happens is it tries to boot and just gets to a screen like this and just sits waiting for some boot media.

For an update, I have reformatted it by using Macrium Reflect to perform a sector-by-sector clone of the original to the copy. I haven't tried it yet as I have been busy but THANK YOU all for the tips and help I greatly appreciate it and have surprisingly learned a lot about Hard Disks over these past couple of weeks just trying to get this thing to work!