How Will AMD stay alive?

[sirkillalot]

thanks ...
well i hope they do sometime soon, they may even win there court case against intel one day that will help them out a bit. hopefully there 5xxx cards will sell well.

 

[Dekasav]

Please don't compare AMD to Pepsi. I hate Pepsi sooo much, and AMD is my favorite company...

IT BURNS!!!!!

 

[Upendra09]

need some ice with that burn?

any way y doesn't AMD have a few people that invest in Intel's stocks, and as they get higher, sell them and use that money to help R&D and marketing?

 

[Dekasav]

Intel's stock price really isn't rising.... least not last I heard.

 

[amdfangirl]

Intel stocks are bluechips. They stay pretty stable.

 

[sirkillalot]

... Dekasav.... you may want to check the news now and again
ok what about . AMD is chiness takeaway to intels pizza hut

ok heres a stock tip for you guys

INTEL has gone from $12.00-$20.00 in the last 7 months(60-70%) its a nice stable stock
however amd has gone from $1.75 - to almost $6.00 thats about 220% in the same time. As a 15 year daytrader i find its better to buy the cheaper stocks cause than give a better return, the downside is they are more riskier
i told people to buy amd @ $2.50 i hope they did

 

[wuzy]

Use Google Finance and weight them against DOW or NASDAQ. Intel seems pretty stable as other have said. It is AMD that's making the move.
Anyway, avoid stock market at all cost unless you're in for the long-term (>1yr). You DO NOT want to play against those HFT supercomputers...

@sirkiilalot, glad too see old faces again.

 

[sirkillalot]

yea right back at you WUZY after the big change here i didnt like the new setup but now im getting use to it
funny i was looking at your cat yesterday and i said i know that cat lol
ps i have 4 cats now and 1 dog

 

[wuzy]

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[randomizer]

It's constantly improving if you use the US site. The UK site leaves something to be desired, especially everything.

 

[ElectroGoofy]

In answer to the name of this thread:
I really don't know. AMD may still have something up their sleeve. I personally prefer Intel to AMD, but wouldn't want AMD to go under and Intel to have a complete monopoly on processors.

 

[Upendra09]

So AMD won't go down soon,

Nvidia CEO says DX11 doesn't matter.... HMM?!?!?!

so ATi is gonna get tons of money for AMD..........hopefully

 

[amdfangirl]

Nah, discrete GFX market is too small.

 

[nss000]

Who told you that?!?

We have very specific rules against this sort of thing, and very specific punishments for those who reveal Secret Plans to Outsiders, and I need to inform the Council whose family must "disappear"...

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[sanchz]

AMD's (financial) hope lies in nVidia's GTX 300 series being crap.
Yet as amdfangirl said, the GPU market is dominated by IGPs (evidence of this is Intel having the largest GPU market share).
Best possible case scenario for AMD would be:
1)Phenom II X6 clocked at 3.2 GHz with a 140w TDP launched by March 2010;
2)Then shrink the Phenom II line to 32nm by June 2010 and release 4.0GHz 12MB cache 125w TDP Phenom II X4 995 processor.
3)Have Bulldozer ready for a November/December launch, performing as good as Core i9 and Sandy Bridge mArch.

Globalfoundries *should* be able to begin 32nm production by mid 2010 (best possible case); but the word is AMD hasn't got the designs ready foption 2) to become true.
Then the rumoured PII stepping 3 might get thuban (X6) CPUs up to 3.0 GHz with 140w TDP, but option 1) seems unrealistic, both for the GHz and the release date.
Finally, they've clearly stated Bulldozer will be ready only by 2011, though an ahead-of-schedule lanuch (bug-free, of course) is plausible, and an utter need for AMD. Yet the question is whether it'll compete well against Sandy Bridge or not. Option 3) can come true with some luck.

What is left for AMD till 2011 then?
Offer really cheap solutions with awesome performance, (probably lower PII pricing a bit), bring down TDPs (PII 965 125w is announced; 955 95w TPD too), and SIGN SOME CONTRACTS WITH OEMS!!!! Dell and HP offer nowhere the same AMD PCs than Intel's. Also, "Evergreen" should and must allow them to turn a profit by Q1 2010.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

AMD's (financial) hope lies in nVidia's GTX 300 series being crap.
Yet as amdfangirl said, the GPU market is dominated by IGPs (evidence of this is Intel having the largest GPU market share).
Best possible case scenario for AMD would be:
1)Phenom II X6 clocked at 3.2 GHz with a 140w TDP launched by March 2010;
2)Then shrink the Phenom II line to 32nm by June 2010 and release 4.0GHz 12MB cache 125w TDP Phenom II X4 995 processor.
3)Have Bulldozer ready for a November/December launch, performing as good as Core i9 and Sandy Bridge mArch.

Globalfoundries *should* be able to begin 32nm production by mid 2010 (best possible case); but the word is AMD hasn't got the designs ready foption 2) to become true.
Then the rumoured PII stepping 3 might get thuban (X6) CPUs up to 3.0 GHz with 140w TDP, but option 1) seems unrealistic, both for the GHz and the release date.
Finally, they've clearly stated Bulldozer will be ready only by 2011, though an ahead-of-schedule lanuch (bug-free, of course) is plausible, and an utter need for AMD. Yet the question is whether it'll compete well against Sandy Bridge or not. Option 3) can come true with some luck.

What is left for AMD till 2011 then?
Offer really cheap solutions with awesome performance, (probably lower PII pricing a bit), bring down TDPs (PII 965 125w is announced; 955 95w TPD too), and SIGN SOME CONTRACTS WITH OEMS!!!! Dell and HP offer nowhere the same AMD PCs than Intel's. Also, "Evergreen" should and must allow them to turn a profit by Q1 2010.

IIRC AMD has confirmed that Bulldozer will be their first 32nm CPU, which is kinda risky IMO - new arch as well as new node at the same time. And the new node will be using HKMG, another area where they (GF now) have no experience in volume production. I would not be surprised to see BD get pushed back to late 2011 - look at the problems AMD had with Barcelona - a somewhat new (uncore at least) arch on a new node (65nm).

So far all I've seen is higher P2 clocks (looks like the P2 975 @ 3.6GHz will be out Q1, at 140W TDP) and stuff targeted squarely at the lower end (the cacheless P2s at $100). Plus the fact that AMD again lost marketshare last quarter, according to the latest iSuppli reports. So I don't see them getting anywhere near break-even let alone profitability next year. Some pundits are predicting next year to be AMD's worst yet.

 

[jennyh]

Lol 'some pundits'. You don't really count fazers, really. 😀

AMD break-even Q4 2009. *Gauranteed*

 

[jennyh]

Interesting how you managed to completely ignore the fact that AMD are in complete control of graphics after wednesday btw.

 

[Upendra09]

ok

Jennyh please do not start with AMDzone and fazer, i just want to know more about intel and AMD, i am not a fanboy, except for which ever one helps me save money, currently AMD.

and don't criticize others, just correct them, my thread isn't for trolling and personal blows

back on topic
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how can u say AMD will break even? the DX11 cards? i heard they won't help alot

 

[jennyh]

In less than a week from now, AMD will have the fastest graphics card at every price point. This is me stating a fact and you can bump this thread if it turns out to be false.

 

[Gin Fushicho]

Welll..... AMD has re;eased a 100 dollar quad core... and the core i5's are still around 200 bucks.

AMD will do fine , they have always been good at being frugal.

 

[randomizer]

In less than a week from now, AMD will have the fastest graphics card at every price point. This is me stating a fact and you can bump this thread if it turns out to be false.

It's a shame because if they had brought it out 6 months ago I would have bought it, but now I have no interest in graphics hardware. I want more CPU threads. Moar!

 

[Upendra09]

calm down tiger

 

[randomizer]

I need my Bitchin' Fast CPU. 🙁

 

[croc]

I need my Bitchin' Fast CPU. 🙁

Another grant from Uncle Rudd?