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It's an internal system, read only externally, so it can't be changed. It's the same as with any data protecting smartcard. The pins for readout are somewhere in the socket specs, if you can stand to read through them to find it. It's a simple enough system.
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Yep, you're right - it is a new 'feature' of the Hammer cores. I read somewhere they tried it with the Barton XP's but never got around to implement it in full scale production with them.

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You are famous for not providing any links or other proof to backup your numerous claims.
How about this time?

Give me a link where AMD(or somebody else) states that there is embedded flash memory in AMD CPU cores.

I'm just curious.
 
Did you ever consider that he is somehow affiliated with AMD. Maybe through a family member? There is a good reason why he doesnt back up his statemnents. We know him and khow that he has close ties to AMD so why would we need anything more than this?

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OMG, you are a true believer. If any bullsh|t is repeated to you enough many times you start believing it. Not cool.
S_F an insider? Not likely.

S_F is like a shoe polisher who claims to be a shoe maker.
 
Did you ever consider that he is somehow affiliated with AMD. Maybe through a family member?
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Silver? Come on Mozz, no-one is going to believe that. He was one of the last Intel fanbois to see the light.
Now as far as a newb asking for a
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>will they know if i have overclocked

They will not know you have overclocked, but if your cpu dies from overvolting, its fairly easy to determine wether it was a manufacturing problem (from wich you are protected by the warranty) or a over voltage, which ruins the warranty. The bad news is, its overvolting that kills the cpu, not the frequency. AMD knows that too.

Will they check ? Tough call, they very well might. Especially for their new cpu's, they might go through the trouble of determining what caused it to die to learn and improve their QA.

What if they determine you fried it ? You will certainly be denied a replacement, but who knows, maybe they might send you the bill for the diagnosys as well. And if they assume an overclocking (which I bet they will), you will have to wait weeks/months for the result, so you'd have to buy another cpu anyhow.

In short: don't do it, its both unethical and not worth the risk. If you fry it, toss it away and buy a new one, but chances you will fry it are extremely small as long as you apply only moderately increased vcore.

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Silver? Come on Mozz, no-one is going to believe that. He was one of the last Intel fanbois to see the light.
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Hey. 🙁 That almost hurts. I've <i>always</i> been a supporter of the educated consumer, not of <i>either</i> company.

Since AMD is usually the best route for people to take, most of my suggestions to people have leaned towards that, not because I like AMD, but because that benefites the consumer best.

I've just taken the role of :evil: <font color=red><b>Devil's Advocate</b></font color=red> :evil: from time to time when I feel that one side or the other isn't being represented fairly in a non-recommendation thread. It's at most only <i>looked</i> like I support Intel more because there are so many AMD zealots around here try and achieve a balance against.

I am a person of balance.

I could say that both companies deserve a fair shake, but honestly, at times I feel more like neither company deserves it. :\ Both have done (and do) some pretty stupid things. But then both have done (and do) some pretty cool things too.

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He's been registered in THGC for five years like me and he still hasn't enabled PM? ROFLMAO!!!
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Actually, I turned off accepting PMs on purpose. It's partly because I was just hardly ever checking my PMs, partly because sometimes I go through long stretches of not even logging in, and partly because there was a period where I was being more helpful than usual and as a result getting flooded with newbies wanting advice. I'd rather they post a thread for that so that my advice can be balanced against other people's. (Plus it got to be annoying. I even had to hide my email addie for a while. Some people are persistent.)

So anywho, I disabled accepting PMs on purpose. I'd rather someone email me anyway. (Not that I check that very often either, but at least that way it's one thing less to check.)

Besides, I can still PM other people, and they can respond to those PMs that I send. Not accepting PMs just means that people can't send you PMs all willy-nilly. :)

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People PM me for advice as well, but I will never give it through PM. I always tell them to post their question in a thread, there is no point in doing that privately whatsoever. Other people could benefit from it in a thread, and my advice might at times be misguided too.

If you want personalized, private advice through PM or email, I am most certainly willing to do so, but I will charge my usual hourly consulting fee, which aint that cheap.

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Did you ever consider that he is somehow affiliated with AMD. Maybe through a family member? There is a good reason why he doesnt back up his statemnents. We know him and khow that he has close ties to AMD so why would we need anything more than this?
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For those who didn't know...

Of course I can't give names. I don't want to get anyone fired. And I could make something plausible up like my sister's husband's brother. (Er ... brother-in-law for short.) But my AMD contact is actually a cousin. (I can safely say that because if anyone did track me down and look up my family tree, my cousins, second cousins, once and twice removed cousins, etc. makes for a <i>huge</i> list 'o people.)

And I have an uncle-once-removed that's been at Sun for almost as long as I've known him. (Though because of budget cuts he may be moving on to a different job in the near future, which is really a shame that they'd do that, but then such is life.) He dabbled in Apple engineering before that, working on very early Macs.

My only Intel source on these things is actually my ex-supervisor who moved on to co-own his own small software company. He's a bit of a flake, a horrible manager, and sometimes I wonder if he has MPD, but his info is usually spot on at least.

Some of my Matrox and nVidia information comes from my company doing business with them and me writing my company's software. God but I hate Matrox.

And of course there are other weird sources through work like Oxford Cryostream and stuff, but they hardly apply to computers.

Anywho, that's enough (not quite) name dropping to make even me sick. :O But I'm sure the intention comes through well enough.

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but I will charge my usual hourly consulting fee, which aint that cheap.
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**smacks forehead** Consulting fee! Why didn't <i>I</i> think of that? I could have used the extra money to ugprade my box!

**sigh** Oh well.

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its overvolting that kills the cpu, not the frequency.
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So that means that I could OC with no voltage increase without voiding the warranty?

Sure it won't be a big speed difference but if it keeps my warranty intact it might be worthy to do it.

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>So that means that I could OC with no voltage increase
>without voiding the warranty?

No, running the cpu outside its specifications will void warranty, period, so that includes higher frequencies. But its extremely unlikely you will manage to kill the cpu at stock voltage. IT will become unstable or refuse to boot long before it dies.. at least, that is by far the most likely thing to happen, but don't blame me if it doesn't.

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'fraid not, any kind of overclocking will void the warrenty. OVervolting is much more likely to kill the processer than a frequency that's all.

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w00t on your memory bandwidth.
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Thanks. Its actually been through verification. Clicky the new Linky in my Siggy and check out the Mem Frequency section. Its actually a useless record, but its a tough one to obtain.

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Grats Mozz.

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i though the A64 and P4s have heat and voltage safeguards that shuts the whole pc down if they exceed a certain point...... its people like me who can;t afford these new techology (with my little PIII) that have to worry about these, well ok so the warrenty for me have been over a long time ago but hey maybe there is someone selling new PIIIs?
 
If he buys a P3 today, he deserves to fry it. Anybody who buys a P3 today for anything other than a space heater is an idiot. (I did not intend to offend anyone in this post)
 
> though the A64 and P4s have heat and voltage safeguards that
> shuts the whole pc down if they exceed a certain point..

For heat, yes, but if I'm not mistaken, even your P3 has a thermal protection that will shut down the cpu upon critical temperature. However, neither overvolting or electromigration caused by excessive overclocks is something cpu's are protected against.

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