HP Invests in Automation and Cloud; 9000 Jobs Go

[Guest]

Well...the solution is simple. When you have a world in which people are no longer needed to "work", do you need the incentive of currency to have them work?

 

[descendency]

[citation][nom]nforce4max[/nom]There are those who earn their pay and the rest steal it from the workers.[/citation]
This is a major miss-understanding of what corporate level management does. I'm not going to say this current crop has done all that well, but the vast majority of the time, their job is to create money from nothing. They take a large portion of money because they create a large portion of it. This is usually visible in a market where jobs are widely available.

Those workers don't create assets. If they went out on their own and tried to create their own assets, many of them would struggle to survive. That is why the entrepreneurial person is so infrequent.

If it weren't for a good management staff, most people would never have a job. It isn't slave labor. People do have the option to find their own job outside of the "terrible company" or to make their own company.

You're pinning the issue backwards.

 

[johnnyfres]

Who is going to fix the automated equipment when it breaks?

 

[lueszu]

its sad that 9000 people have to lose their jobs in order to move into cloud systems, but you cant retain people you dont need. if a computer can do the work of 10 and only need 1 people to supervise then is a no brainer.

little by little companies will realize that they really need people in R&D, marketing and sales.

 

[figgus]

[citation][nom]brendano257[/nom]The problem is "net loss" means nothing to the 9,000 who lose their jobs. Although 6,000 others may get hired, it doesn't help those 9,000 in these times.@Figgus, you can't deny that companies go above and beyond hurting employees in many cases. Although they exist to make money, some things such as the bonuses issued to management and CEO's are downright immoral and unethical. A CEO who receives 10-100 times an average salary as JUST A BONUS shouldn't be able to live with themselves, no matter what 'good' they've done for the company. A better CEO would re-direct this money into R&D or expansion such as more product funding, or cell coverage expansion. The way business is run in America no longer serves anyone but the elite in each company.[/citation]

The fix to those CEOs is one area where we DO need more regulations: accountability to shareholders. If I owned stock in a company and a CEO was getting paid more than any one person is worth, I should have the right to challenge that. Right now, that is not the case... The boards basically vote on their own compensation, with little to no accountability for it.

 

[zak_mckraken]

I'm gonna start my own business now. I'll build a Suicide Booth factory! The timing seems right.

I'm not being insensitive, I'm referencing Futurama... while being grossly insensitive.

 

[nforce4max]

[citation][nom]descendency[/nom]This is a major miss-understanding of what corporate level management does. I'm not going to say this current crop has done all that well, but the vast majority of the time, their job is to create money from nothing. They take a large portion of money because they create a large portion of it. This is usually visible in a market where jobs are widely available. Those workers don't create assets. If they went out on their own and tried to create their own
assets, many of them would struggle to survive. That is why the entrepreneurial person is so infrequent. If it weren't for a good management staff, most people would never have a job. It isn't slave labor. People do have the option to find their own job outside of the "terrible company" or to make their own company. You're pinning the issue backwards.[/citation]


I don't know what country you are from but ware I live not every one is brain dead in front of the TV. As bitter as I am I still have some measure of faith left in people as much as I hate them for being little obedient sheep/office drones. The moment that people realize that they can think for them selves and work together with others who are like minded the need for "leaders" will immediately go away. Nothing will change the greed of the hogs on top but 99.999% these days lack basic moral values.

 

[jitpublisher]

Lets just hope those 9000 jobs are at their call centers in India. Still, that is not too bad I guess for a company that employees roughly 160,000 people. The article doesn't mention if the employees are being given the chance to retrain, relocate, or any other details which articles like this never seem to contain. Without all the facts, everyone is jumping to conclusions.

 

[killerclick]

If I were one of the people who're likely to lose their jobs because of this, I'd hunt for another job with a competitor on company time and then leave with as little warning as possible.

 

[baditch]

Why support a company that can buy WebOS yet at the same moment kill off 9,000 jobs! Boycott HP!

 

[tommysch]

[citation][nom]sliem[/nom]Lost jobs, more expensive products.Go HP!Soon you'll replace all your non-essential employees with robots.Go HP!Soon robots will replace all your remaining employees.Go Cybernet![/citation]

Its Cyberdyne Systems and Skynet... PLZ watch terminator and pay attention next time.

 

[Guest]

"If the company don't know how to take good care your you. Then you may need to take good care of yourself". Quote from Ben YHH

 

[grieve]

[citation][nom]figgus[/nom]Businesses exist to make money, NOT to issue paychecks. If they can cut costs to make more money, they will. Stop acting as if they have a social obligation to keep paying people they don't need.[/citation]
I wish i could give you more then 1 positive...

What is wrong with you people? I own a business and my obligation is not to my employees it is to my family i need to feed... If i have to can you to feed my family, your gone!
I am not saying i don't treat my employees well, i do and i respect them greatly. At the end of the day i have bills to pay and if they are in the way of that then i will do what i have to do.

If these 9000 employees were offered a job paying 20k more a year @ IBM would they give 3 months notice? i think not, they will do what they have to do.

 

[grieve]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]If I were one of the people who're likely to lose their jobs because of this, I'd hunt for another job with a competitor on company time and then leave with as little warning as possible.[/citation]
I also agree with this... You gotta look out for yourself!

 

[Guest]

WHAT 9000?!

 

[v1ze]

In American you can do anything and everything to make money. Morals have no place in the American economic system. What matters is legal vs illegal, nothing else.

I'm not saying it's the right way, but it is the American way. It's such an oxymoron to mention America and Moral together.

 

[eddieroolz]

It's too bad that people have to lose jobs to get a company back on their feet.

 

[morte]

Personally, working for a similar IT company doing similar things with Cloud (and experiencing similar levels of redundancy), I notice a number of respondents here are forgetting that the massive increase in automated rollouts of servers combined with headcount losses will lead directly to a massive increase in unsupported systems when they break a few months down the track - we've seen it before with cowboy installations our team gets called to fix which we were never engaged to install properly or support (to save money) - cloud computing with automated rollouts is simply multiplying the issue exponentially.
Automated 'self-maintaining, self-healing' systems do not exist yet - and every new product version with every new and deprecated set of features and interface changes puts that fantasy further out of reach.

Those on the forum backing 'entrepreneurial' decisions like this and justifying high exec salaries and bonuses for brain dead decisions seem to forget that top-down management decisions based on cost cutting and corner cutting, in blatant contradiction to expert advice from SME (subject matter experts) at the coal-face lead to fun events like the oil spill off the Southern U.S. coastline.